OT: expensive decorative lamps that won't light, for no obvi

[William Sommerwerck]

A few months back I got around to cleaning my condo's ceiling fixtures. These
use tiny bulbs with miniature Edison bases. Some had burned out.

Some bulbs had behaved oddly, going "dead", but responding to being tightened.
So I decided to examine all the non-lighting bulbs closely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_screw

All but one were burned out. The other showed no visible filament break, but
my ohmeter said "open". I put it aside and tried periodically to fix it.
(These lamps cost about a dollar apiece.) Though I unsoldered and resoldered
the base and thread connections -- and confirmed there really were wires going
to them -- there were no visible signs of damage.

This morning I gave one last shot. This time I twisted off the brass base,
this action apparently pulling out the broken part of the wire going to the
tip.

Using a magnifier, I could see that wire "ending" about halfway along the
internal glass stem. It appears the wire had (or developed) a high-resistance
section, which burned open the wire.

The same thing happened to the bottom Calrod unit in my oven several years
back, so I shouldn't have been surprised.

PS: I have plenty of things to keep my busy, but I enjoy Show and Tell.

 

[Grant]

On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 07:37:51 -0800, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

A few months back I got around to cleaning my condo's ceiling fixtures. These
use tiny bulbs with miniature Edison bases. Some had burned out.

Some bulbs had behaved oddly, going "dead", but responding to being tightened.
So I decided to examine all the non-lighting bulbs closely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_screw

All but one were burned out. The other showed no visible filament break, but
my ohmeter said "open". I put it aside and tried periodically to fix it.
(These lamps cost about a dollar apiece.) Though I unsoldered and resoldered
the base and thread connections -- and confirmed there really were wires going
to them -- there were no visible signs of damage.

This morning I gave one last shot. This time I twisted off the brass base,
this action apparently pulling out the broken part of the wire going to the
tip.

Using a magnifier, I could see that wire "ending" about halfway along the
internal glass stem. It appears the wire had (or developed) a high-resistance
section, which burned open the wire.

Looks like you are describing the lamp's fuse?

Grant.

The same thing happened to the bottom Calrod unit in my oven several years
back, so I shouldn't have been surprised.

PS: I have plenty of things to keep my busy, but I enjoy Show and Tell.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"Grant" wrote in message news:rtvr8aplg64qn33fgdj6f8v49uej97m19l@4ax.com...

> Looks like you are describing the lamp's fuse?

I didn't know they had them. I assumed it was a sample defect.

 

[John Robertson]

On 12/14/2014, 3:53 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"Grant" wrote in message
news:rtvr8aplg64qn33fgdj6f8v49uej97m19l@4ax.com...
Looks like you are describing the lamp's fuse?

I didn't know they had them. I assumed it was a sample defect.

I thought I recalled seeing something about there being a weak spot
intentionally added to the internal leads in case the filament shorted
inside the bulb...

Can't find anything in quick online searches though, and I don't have a
line voltage light bulb design specs book.

John :-#(#

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[William Sommerwerck]

"John Robertson" wrote in message
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On 12/14/2014, 3:53 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"Grant" wrote in message
news:rtvr8aplg64qn33fgdj6f8v49uej97m19l@4ax.com...

Looks like you are describing the lamp's fuse?

I didn't know they had them. I assumed it was a sample defect.

I thought I recalled seeing something about there being a weak spot
intentionally added to the internal leads in case the filament shorted
inside the bulb...
Can't find anything in quick online searches though, and I don't have
a line voltage light bulb design specs book.

Here you go. Scroll down to "Why burnout is sometimes so spectacular". (I'm
awfully good at finding stuff.) This bulb obviously had a defective fuse. You
learn something new every day.

http://donklipstein.com/bulb1.html

 

[John Robertson]

On 12/15/2014, 1:08 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"John Robertson" wrote in message
news:QOednSgxFYRfrhLJnZ2dnUU7-V2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
On 12/14/2014, 3:53 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
"Grant" wrote in message
news:rtvr8aplg64qn33fgdj6f8v49uej97m19l@4ax.com...

Looks like you are describing the lamp's fuse?

I didn't know they had them. I assumed it was a sample defect.

I thought I recalled seeing something about there being a weak spot
intentionally added to the internal leads in case the filament shorted
inside the bulb...
Can't find anything in quick online searches though, and I don't have
a line voltage light bulb design specs book.

Here you go. Scroll down to "Why burnout is sometimes so spectacular".
(I'm awfully good at finding stuff.) This bulb obviously had a defective
fuse. You learn something new every day.

http://donklipstein.com/bulb1.html

http://donklipstein.com/bulb1.html#wbs - for the lazy.

Thanks!

Gee, an Internet light bulb database, who'd have guessed (OK, I should
have known better), and why didn't the search engines turn that up in my
earlier searches?

John :-#)#

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[William Sommerwerck]

"John Robertson" wrote in message
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Gee, an Internet light bulb database, who'd have guessed
(OK, I should have known better), and why didn't the search
engines turn that up in my earlier searches?

I Googled "incandescent lamp internal fuse". It was #4, rising with a bullet.

 

[John Robertson]

On 12/15/2014, 3:25 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"John Robertson" wrote in message
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Gee, an Internet light bulb database, who'd have guessed
(OK, I should have known better), and why didn't the search
engines turn that up in my earlier searches?

I Googled "incandescent lamp internal fuse". It was #4, rising with a
bullet.

Hmm, I didn't use 'incandescent', but putting that in (I used just lamp)
I found some interesting reading for "incandescent lamp lead fuse" - one
from some retired electricians writing in 1922 about early shipboard
lighting where fuses hadn't been considered...almost set the ship on fire!

Fourth down titled: Electric Fuses - Page 4 - Google Books Result

https://books.google.ca/books?id=8r-XrMvGm4YC&pg=PA4&lpg=PA4&dq=incandescent+lamp+lead+fuse&source=bl&ots=3cty9MSMHW&sig=qYmMtrc3__Z-dbQCbTYCSyDqcZo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=29ePVJC8Csu1ogSVzYDoDQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=incandescent%20lamp%20lead%20fuse&f=false

or a tiny custom URL:

http://tinyurl.com/IncandescentLampFuse

John :-#)#
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[hrhofmann@sbcglobal.net]

I repair donated for recycling incandescent miniature Christmas lights and donate to the local Goodwill. A couple of strings that I have gotten have every single miniature light bulb burned out. Apparently the owner/user never replaced the burned out bulbs, and as the voltage across the lit bulbs increased due to the shunts on the filaments of the burned-out bulbs, there was an escalating burn-out. It must have made a spectacular flash at the final failure<g>.