OT: Energy saving mode in an oven

[Sylvia Else]

The Miele electric oven that came with the house I bought recently
enters what it describes on its display as an "energy saving mode" once
it's heated up.

What the hell is an energy saving mode for an oven? It has to maintain
the set temperature, and that will require drawing as much power from
the mains as is lost in heat to the surroundings. The only way it could
save energy would be to be better insulated, which would hardly be a "mode".

Some marketing inspired gimmick?

I wondered whether they were making some unsupportable claims in their
marketing literature, but I can't find a mention of this mode.

Sylvia

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 25/05/16 12:32, Sylvia Else wrote:

The Miele electric oven that came with the house I bought recently
enters what it describes on its display as an "energy saving mode" once
it's heated up.

What the hell is an energy saving mode for an oven? It has to maintain
the set temperature, and that will require drawing as much power from
the mains as is lost in heat to the surroundings. The only way it could
save energy would be to be better insulated, which would hardly be a
"mode".

Pure speculation here...

If it had electrically-adjustable vent and a humidity sensor,
it could reduce venting and power input whenever the humidity
was low enough to need less venting. That would save power.

 

On Wed, 25 May 2016 12:32:05 +1000, Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

The Miele electric oven that came with the house I bought recently
enters what it describes on its display as an "energy saving mode" once
it's heated up.

What the hell is an energy saving mode for an oven? It has to maintain
the set temperature, and that will require drawing as much power from
the mains as is lost in heat to the surroundings. The only way it could
save energy would be to be better insulated, which would hardly be a "mode".

Some marketing inspired gimmick?

Sound like a load of crap to me, for the reasons you've already
outlined. As you mentioned, in using an oven you generally want a
consistent temperature... so how does this magic 'mode' manage to
flout the laws of physics? Sounds to me to be pure marketing bullshit.

I wondered whether they were making some unsupportable claims in their
marketing literature, but I can't find a mention of this mode.

Now that's a curious thing. I wonder what some of the consumer orgs
would make of that?

 

[Phil Allison]

Sylvia Else wrote:

The Miele electric oven that came with the house I bought recently
enters what it describes on its display as an "energy saving mode" once
it's heated up.

What the hell is an energy saving mode for an oven?

** See:

http://www.manualslib.com/manual/866173/Miele-H-6460-Bp.html?page=51

Boils down to automatically turning the oven off when not running a cooking program and a few minutes before the end of a set time to use up residual heat.



..... Phil

 

[F Murtz]

Sylvia Else wrote:

The Miele electric oven that came with the house I bought recently
enters what it describes on its display as an "energy saving mode" once
it's heated up.

What the hell is an energy saving mode for an oven? It has to maintain
the set temperature, and that will require drawing as much power from
the mains as is lost in heat to the surroundings. The only way it could
save energy would be to be better insulated, which would hardly be a
"mode".

Some marketing inspired gimmick?

I wondered whether they were making some unsupportable claims in their
marketing literature, but I can't find a mention of this mode.

Sylvia

Your oven has, energy saving mode, my Fisher and paykel fridge has a
"Sabbath mode".

 

On Wed, 25 May 2016 23:13:49 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
The Miele electric oven that came with the house I bought recently
enters what it describes on its display as an "energy saving mode" once
it's heated up.

What the hell is an energy saving mode for an oven? It has to maintain
the set temperature, and that will require drawing as much power from
the mains as is lost in heat to the surroundings. The only way it could
save energy would be to be better insulated, which would hardly be a
"mode".

Some marketing inspired gimmick?

I wondered whether they were making some unsupportable claims in their
marketing literature, but I can't find a mention of this mode.


Your oven has, energy saving mode, my Fisher and paykel fridge has a
"Sabbath mode".

Does it play their entire discography?

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 26/05/2016 6:32 AM, Je�us wrote:

On Wed, 25 May 2016 23:13:49 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
The Miele electric oven that came with the house I bought recently
enters what it describes on its display as an "energy saving mode" once
it's heated up.

What the hell is an energy saving mode for an oven? It has to maintain
the set temperature, and that will require drawing as much power from
the mains as is lost in heat to the surroundings. The only way it could
save energy would be to be better insulated, which would hardly be a
"mode".

Some marketing inspired gimmick?

I wondered whether they were making some unsupportable claims in their
marketing literature, but I can't find a mention of this mode.


Your oven has, energy saving mode, my Fisher and paykel fridge has a
"Sabbath mode".

Does it play their entire discography?

**LOL.

[ASIDE] Back in the 60s I bought their first LP. I liked it (well, I was
young). I bought their second LP. Waste of time. Sounded exactly the
same as the first.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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[Clifford Heath]

On 26/05/16 09:47, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 26/05/2016 6:32 AM, Je�us wrote:
On Wed, 25 May 2016 23:13:49 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:
Your oven has, energy saving mode, my Fisher and paykel fridge has a
"Sabbath mode".
Does it play their entire discography?
[ASIDE] Back in the 60s I bought their first LP. I liked it (well, I was
young). I bought their second LP. Waste of time. Sounded exactly the
same as the first.

That's better than most bands do. Usually a 2nd album is full of bad
ideas that were excluded from the first, with extra "try-hard" added
to spoil it further.

 

[F Murtz]

Je�us wrote:

On Wed, 25 May 2016 23:13:49 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
The Miele electric oven that came with the house I bought recently
enters what it describes on its display as an "energy saving mode" once
it's heated up.

What the hell is an energy saving mode for an oven? It has to maintain
the set temperature, and that will require drawing as much power from
the mains as is lost in heat to the surroundings. The only way it could
save energy would be to be better insulated, which would hardly be a
"mode".

Some marketing inspired gimmick?

I wondered whether they were making some unsupportable claims in their
marketing literature, but I can't find a mention of this mode.


Your oven has, energy saving mode, my Fisher and paykel fridge has a
"Sabbath mode".

Does it play their entire discography?

Ice & Water display
Sabbath Mode
In Sabbath Mode alarms, lights and displays are deactivated.
Sabbath Mode can be activated or deactivated by holding
down the
, and button for 4 seconds.
Once in Sabbath Mode:
The interior light will not turn on when the refrigerator is opened.
Door alarms will not operate.
Display will not be illuminated.
Electronic control panel will not work, only a small candle icon
(
) will be displayed on the screen.
Note: if power is turned off the refrigerator will automatically
continue in Sabbath Mode once
power is restored. Sabbath Mode will automatically deactivate after 80
hours.
User warnings
Your refrigerator is clever enough to diagnose its own problems. It will
alert you when there is
a fault.
Filter reset
The filter reset icon will appear when the water filter needs changing.
This will flash when
dispensing water. To change the filter and reset the filter icon refer
to pages 24 – 25.
Fault
In the unlikely event a fault occurs the icon appears on the front of
the display and a fault
code will be displayed on the left in the
screen.
When the door is open the refrigerator fault alarm will sound. To
silence this press any button
on the display.
Please take note of the fault code and contact our Customer Care Centre.
Details of Customer
Care can be found in the back of this book.
Fig.19 Fault code display

 

On Thu, 26 May 2016 09:47:59 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 26/05/2016 6:32 AM, Je?us wrote:
On Wed, 25 May 2016 23:13:49 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
The Miele electric oven that came with the house I bought recently
enters what it describes on its display as an "energy saving mode" once
it's heated up.

What the hell is an energy saving mode for an oven? It has to maintain
the set temperature, and that will require drawing as much power from
the mains as is lost in heat to the surroundings. The only way it could
save energy would be to be better insulated, which would hardly be a
"mode".

Some marketing inspired gimmick?

I wondered whether they were making some unsupportable claims in their
marketing literature, but I can't find a mention of this mode.


Your oven has, energy saving mode, my Fisher and paykel fridge has a
"Sabbath mode".

Does it play their entire discography?


**LOL.

[ASIDE] Back in the 60s I bought their first LP. I liked it (well, I was
young). I bought their second LP. Waste of time. Sounded exactly the
same as the first.

Yep. I respect their place in music history. Most people would agree
they originated heavy metal (not a genre I'm into, but anyway), and
Ozzy alone has given us years of entertainment away from the stage.
But no, not really my cup of tea. Too 'meat and potatos' for me.

 

On Thu, 26 May 2016 13:10:28 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Wed, 25 May 2016 23:13:49 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
The Miele electric oven that came with the house I bought recently
enters what it describes on its display as an "energy saving mode" once
it's heated up.

What the hell is an energy saving mode for an oven? It has to maintain
the set temperature, and that will require drawing as much power from
the mains as is lost in heat to the surroundings. The only way it could
save energy would be to be better insulated, which would hardly be a
"mode".

Some marketing inspired gimmick?

I wondered whether they were making some unsupportable claims in their
marketing literature, but I can't find a mention of this mode.


Your oven has, energy saving mode, my Fisher and paykel fridge has a
"Sabbath mode".

Does it play their entire discography?


Ice & Water display
Sabbath Mode
In Sabbath Mode alarms, lights and displays are deactivated.
Sabbath Mode can be activated or deactivated by holding
down the
, and button for 4 seconds.
Once in Sabbath Mode:
The interior light will not turn on when the refrigerator is opened.
Door alarms will not operate.
Display will not be illuminated.
Electronic control panel will not work, only a small candle icon
(
) will be displayed on the screen.
Note: if power is turned off the refrigerator will automatically
continue in Sabbath Mode once
power is restored. Sabbath Mode will automatically deactivate after 80
hours.
User warnings
Your refrigerator is clever enough to diagnose its own problems. It will
alert you when there is
a fault.
Filter reset
The filter reset icon will appear when the water filter needs changing.
This will flash when
dispensing water. To change the filter and reset the filter icon refer
to pages 24 – 25.
Fault
In the unlikely event a fault occurs the icon appears on the front of
the display and a fault
code will be displayed on the left in the
screen.
When the door is open the refrigerator fault alarm will sound. To
silence this press any button
on the display.
Please take note of the fault code and contact our Customer Care Centre.
Details of Customer
Care can be found in the back of this book.
Fig.19 Fault code display

Crikey... my fridge just keeps things cold.
Good that you can disable all that stuff, or at least the aspects of
it that might disturb you.

 

[keithr]

On 25/05/2016 11:13 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
The Miele electric oven that came with the house I bought recently
enters what it describes on its display as an "energy saving mode" once
it's heated up.

What the hell is an energy saving mode for an oven? It has to maintain
the set temperature, and that will require drawing as much power from
the mains as is lost in heat to the surroundings. The only way it could
save energy would be to be better insulated, which would hardly be a
"mode".

Some marketing inspired gimmick?

I wondered whether they were making some unsupportable claims in their
marketing literature, but I can't find a mention of this mode.

Sylvia






Your oven has, energy saving mode, my Fisher and paykel fridge has a
"Sabbath mode".

Very useful if you happen to be Orthodox Jewish I suppose

 

[F Murtz]

Je�us wrote:

On Thu, 26 May 2016 13:10:28 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Wed, 25 May 2016 23:13:49 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
The Miele electric oven that came with the house I bought recently
enters what it describes on its display as an "energy saving mode" once
it's heated up.

What the hell is an energy saving mode for an oven? It has to maintain
the set temperature, and that will require drawing as much power from
the mains as is lost in heat to the surroundings. The only way it could
save energy would be to be better insulated, which would hardly be a
"mode".

Some marketing inspired gimmick?

I wondered whether they were making some unsupportable claims in their
marketing literature, but I can't find a mention of this mode.


Your oven has, energy saving mode, my Fisher and paykel fridge has a
"Sabbath mode".

Does it play their entire discography?


Ice & Water display
Sabbath Mode
In Sabbath Mode alarms, lights and displays are deactivated.
Sabbath Mode can be activated or deactivated by holding
down the
, and button for 4 seconds.
Once in Sabbath Mode:
The interior light will not turn on when the refrigerator is opened.
Door alarms will not operate.
Display will not be illuminated.
Electronic control panel will not work, only a small candle icon
(
) will be displayed on the screen.
Note: if power is turned off the refrigerator will automatically
continue in Sabbath Mode once
power is restored. Sabbath Mode will automatically deactivate after 80
hours.
User warnings
Your refrigerator is clever enough to diagnose its own problems. It will
alert you when there is
a fault.
Filter reset
The filter reset icon will appear when the water filter needs changing.
This will flash when
dispensing water. To change the filter and reset the filter icon refer
to pages 24 – 25.
Fault
In the unlikely event a fault occurs the icon appears on the front of
the display and a fault
code will be displayed on the left in the
screen.
When the door is open the refrigerator fault alarm will sound. To
silence this press any button
on the display.
Please take note of the fault code and contact our Customer Care Centre.
Details of Customer
Care can be found in the back of this book.
Fig.19 Fault code display

Crikey... my fridge just keeps things cold.
Good that you can disable all that stuff, or at least the aspects of
it that might disturb you.

I thought people may have thought that I was making some obscure joke,
but my fridge does have a sabbath mode
PS I don't listen to much music,so I would not what Sabbath was.(seems
it must be a band)

 

On Fri, 27 May 2016 18:29:06 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2016 13:10:28 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Wed, 25 May 2016 23:13:49 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
The Miele electric oven that came with the house I bought recently
enters what it describes on its display as an "energy saving mode" once
it's heated up.

What the hell is an energy saving mode for an oven? It has to maintain
the set temperature, and that will require drawing as much power from
the mains as is lost in heat to the surroundings. The only way it could
save energy would be to be better insulated, which would hardly be a
"mode".

Some marketing inspired gimmick?

I wondered whether they were making some unsupportable claims in their
marketing literature, but I can't find a mention of this mode.


Your oven has, energy saving mode, my Fisher and paykel fridge has a
"Sabbath mode".

Does it play their entire discography?


Ice & Water display
Sabbath Mode
In Sabbath Mode alarms, lights and displays are deactivated.
Sabbath Mode can be activated or deactivated by holding
down the
, and button for 4 seconds.
Once in Sabbath Mode:
The interior light will not turn on when the refrigerator is opened.
Door alarms will not operate.
Display will not be illuminated.
Electronic control panel will not work, only a small candle icon
(
) will be displayed on the screen.
Note: if power is turned off the refrigerator will automatically
continue in Sabbath Mode once
power is restored. Sabbath Mode will automatically deactivate after 80
hours.
User warnings
Your refrigerator is clever enough to diagnose its own problems. It will
alert you when there is
a fault.
Filter reset
The filter reset icon will appear when the water filter needs changing.
This will flash when
dispensing water. To change the filter and reset the filter icon refer
to pages 24 – 25.
Fault
In the unlikely event a fault occurs the icon appears on the front of
the display and a fault
code will be displayed on the left in the
screen.
When the door is open the refrigerator fault alarm will sound. To
silence this press any button
on the display.
Please take note of the fault code and contact our Customer Care Centre.
Details of Customer
Care can be found in the back of this book.
Fig.19 Fault code display

Crikey... my fridge just keeps things cold.
Good that you can disable all that stuff, or at least the aspects of
it that might disturb you.

I thought people may have thought that I was making some obscure joke,
but my fridge does have a sabbath mode

Interesting choice of name, really. Some atheists might take exception
to it.

PS I don't listen to much music,so I would not what Sabbath was.(seems
it must be a band)

Oh come on Fred!! Black Sabbath were a world famous band even back in
late sixties and only became even more famous and legendary in the
following decades. I just can't see how you wouldn't be aware of them,
no matter whether you liked their music or not

 

[~misfit~]

Once upon a time on usenet Jeßus wrote:

On Fri, 27 May 2016 18:29:06 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 26 May 2016 13:10:28 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Wed, 25 May 2016 23:13:49 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
The Miele electric oven that came with the house I bought
recently enters what it describes on its display as an "energy
saving mode" once it's heated up.

What the hell is an energy saving mode for an oven? It has to
maintain the set temperature, and that will require drawing as
much power from the mains as is lost in heat to the
surroundings. The only way it could save energy would be to be
better insulated, which would hardly be a "mode".

Some marketing inspired gimmick?

I wondered whether they were making some unsupportable claims
in their marketing literature, but I can't find a mention of
this mode.


Your oven has, energy saving mode, my Fisher and paykel fridge
has a "Sabbath mode".

Does it play their entire discography?


Ice & Water display
Sabbath Mode
In Sabbath Mode alarms, lights and displays are deactivated.
Sabbath Mode can be activated or deactivated by holding
down the
, and button for 4 seconds.
Once in Sabbath Mode:
The interior light will not turn on when the refrigerator is
opened. Door alarms will not operate.
Display will not be illuminated.
Electronic control panel will not work, only a small candle icon
(
) will be displayed on the screen.
Note: if power is turned off the refrigerator will automatically
continue in Sabbath Mode once
power is restored. Sabbath Mode will automatically deactivate
after 80 hours.
User warnings
Your refrigerator is clever enough to diagnose its own problems.
It will alert you when there is
a fault.
Filter reset
The filter reset icon will appear when the water filter needs
changing. This will flash when
dispensing water. To change the filter and reset the filter icon
refer to pages 24 - 25.
Fault
In the unlikely event a fault occurs the icon appears on the
front of the display and a fault
code will be displayed on the left in the
screen.
When the door is open the refrigerator fault alarm will sound. To
silence this press any button
on the display.
Please take note of the fault code and contact our Customer Care
Centre. Details of Customer
Care can be found in the back of this book.
Fig.19 Fault code display

Crikey... my fridge just keeps things cold.
Good that you can disable all that stuff, or at least the aspects of
it that might disturb you.

I thought people may have thought that I was making some obscure
joke, but my fridge does have a sabbath mode

Interesting choice of name, really. Some atheists might take exception
to it.

Oh well it's not like offending atheists is going to get you killed.....
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

PS I don't listen to much music,so I would not what Sabbath
was.(seems it must be a band)

Oh come on Fred!! Black Sabbath were a world famous band even back in
late sixties and only became even more famous and legendary in the
following decades. I just can't see how you wouldn't be aware of them,
no matter whether you liked their music or not

 

On Sat, 28 May 2016 13:32:05 +1200, "~misfit~"
<shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:

Once upon a time on usenet Jeßus wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 18:29:06 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:
I thought people may have thought that I was making some obscure
joke, but my fridge does have a sabbath mode

Interesting choice of name, really. Some atheists might take exception
to it.

Oh well it's not like offending atheists is going to get you killed.....

Haha, very true