OT: DNRC Newsletter # 58

[Rich Grise]

http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/dnrc/html/newsletter58.html

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Scott Stephens]

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:09:37 +0000, Scott Stephens wrote:

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:34:15 +0000, Scott Stephens wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:

http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/dnrc/html/newsletter58.html

Mr. Adams is telling a joke.

Get over yourself already!

This is no mere joke, and you have identified a deep philosophical
undertone that has grabbed your attention, which is why you've posted
it. It is in line with your notions of politics and religion,

Well, you seem to have no problem proclaiming to the world your intimate
knowledge of my notions!

Sorry, you're right I don't know what you are thinking, so I'll reiterate:

I think your amusement with Adam's DNRC Newsletter is attributable to
your appreciation of the similar sense of humor you share with Adams.
Perhaps consequent to a similarity in philosophical world-views, as
evidenced by your prior comments on religion and politics, and Adams
similar statements in his DNRC newsletter and his comics.

I say this isn't a mere joke because Adams (and others, such as Whoppie
Goldberg) literally advocates the use of humor (ridicule, derision,
humiliation) as means to political ends.

Is there some school, or something, where we can go to learn telepathy
like that?

Sunday school; Jesus says a tree is known by its fruit. And out of the
abundance of the heart a man speaks. You can the Bible book of Proverbs
which has lots of one and two liners about mockers and scoffers.

But I think we can understand a philosopher like Rand, that doesn't
resort to a deity, with its ancient tradition and superstitious baggage,
to intercede between our minds and the objective truth of Reality.

Quoting:

The Objectivist-May 1969 What Is Romanticism? By Ayn Rand


Quoting Ayn Rand? Why? Did Scott Adams quote Ayn Rand? I certainly
don't remember him making any citations.

What are you on about, anyway?

Adams didn't. I am quoting Ayn Rand's article, which contrasted the
Romantic and Naturalistic literary styles. And to validate my
attribution of a depraved, Naturalistic world-view to Adams, to support
my thesis that the DNRC Newsletter 58 is depraved, politically
subversive propaganda in satire form, and the Dilbert comic is depraved
philosophically subversive propaganda.

Thanks,
Rich

You're welcome, and again sorry for telling you my opinion is what you
think. That's what control-fiends do. Not that you are one who is about
to believe you are indeed thinking what I tell you that you are
thinking, because you obviously think you know the thoughts that you
think I thought you were thinking were really the thoughts I thought you
knew you were indeed thinking

--
Scott

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[Pig Bladder]

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:45:48 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

Scott Stephens wrote:
Rich Grise wrote:
http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/dnrc/html/newsletter58.html
...
That's just Dogbert talking out of his ass.

Again, you can defile other cultural icons. Ozzy Osbourne
was arrested
for pissing on the Alamo. Many conservatives want to make
burning the US
flag a crime. Some communities have made cross-burning a
crime. It isn't
hard to insult people by 'dissing their cultural icons.

True. But just try telling them all a fundamental truth;
all such icons are forgeries designed to enhance somebody's
(usually somebody who's been dead a very long time) power
and prestige. Wait and see what happens when some misguided
Redneck pisses on Ozzy's grave.

I'd like for Sharon to piss on me.
....

Religion is like government, the only thing worse than it
is the absence of it. It is a necessary evil for most stupid
people.

Which is why I think formal logic ought to be taught in
kindergarten.

That's way too late. It needs to be taught at Mom's breast,
or at least on her knee. Also compassion, maybe even love.

Half a generation or so later, religions would
fade away. And boy, would politics get straightened out.

Yup. That's why they're not doing it.
--
The Pig Bladder From Uranus, still waiting for
some hot babe to ask what my favorite planet is.

 

[Scott Stephens]

Pig Bladder wrote:

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:27:03 +0000, Scott Stephens wrote:

which has lots of one and two liners about mockers and scoffers.

Shucks - and I'm missing them all.

Here's a couple:

Proverb 9:8, 9 "Do not correct a scoffer, lest he hate you; Rebuke a
wise man, and he will love you.

Proverb 13:1 "A wise son heeds his father's instruction,
But a scoffer does not listen to rebuke."

--
Scott

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The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

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[Boris Mohar]

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:41:05 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/dnrc/html/newsletter58.html

Cheers!
Rich

Try http://www.dilber.com/
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Boris Mohar

 

[Pig Bladder]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 02:26:14 +0000, Scott Stephens wrote:

Mark Fergerson wrote:
Scott Stephens wrote:
Rich Grise wrote:
http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/dnrc/html/newsletter58.html
....
The core belief that drives terrorism is the notion of a "holy
place," along with the idea that some people belong there and other
people don't.

The same observation is made for race and nationality. Consider the
hatred expressed toward the Brits that encouraged Ohioans to vote for
Kerry. In essence Adams is attacking the concept of private property and
freedom.

Not quite; it assumes that members of a given group "belong there"
forever because of historical association. Private property is subject
to market forces, like Eminent Domain.

Do a group of people have the right to use a bit of property in an
exclusive way? Can Christians own a church building and exclude atheists
from preaching on Sunday? What about a nation being for a nationality? I
am really surprised the leftists don't go on a Jihad about Israel, since
it is an exclusive homeland for Jews. You don't see Adams making a fuss
over Israel now, do you?

Apparently _you_ do.
--
The Pig Bladder From Uranus, still waiting for
some hot babe to ask what my favorite planet is.

 

[Pig Bladder]

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:32:01 -0500, Boris Mohar wrote:

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:41:05 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/dnrc/html/newsletter58.html

Cheers!
Rich

Try http://www.dilber.com/

Seen it, Ho-hum. What is it that makes you humans so enamoured of cow
udders on human females?
--
The Pig Bladder From Uranus, still waiting for
some hot babe to ask what my favorite planet is.

 

[Scott Stephens]

Rich Grise wrote:

http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/dnrc/html/newsletter58.html

Mr. Adams is sometimes insightful, but like many celebrities, it may be
best not to take him too seriously. Quoting from DNRC:

the best way to solve a problem is to identify the core belief that
causes the problem; then mock that belief until the people who hold
it insist that you heard them wrong

Ok, not a bad idea!

The core belief that drives terrorism is the notion of a "holy
place," along with the idea that some people belong there and other
people don't.

The same observation is made for race and nationality. Consider the
hatred expressed toward the Brits that encouraged Ohioans to vote for
Kerry. In essence Adams is attacking the concept of private property and
freedom.

they'd get down to the business of defining what makes a place holy.
Someone would suggest that the key things are the location and the
fact that something holy happened there. Eventually, someone with a
second-grade understanding of space, possibly the busboy, would point
out that everything in the universe has moved a gazillion miles
since the holy event, and the concept of location is meaningless
unless all the reference points stay put. The best-case scenario is
that the "holy place" is now a billion miles away, floating in empty
space.

One would think someone as clever or insightful as Adams would know
better than this. Of course its not the place, but the association, the
link, in the minds of the people who love their cultural icons.

Again, you can defile other cultural icons. Ozzy Osbourne was arrested
for pissing on the Alamo. Many conservatives want to make burning the US
flag a crime. Some communities have made cross-burning a crime. It isn't
hard to insult people by 'dissing their cultural icons.

Feel free to forward this Holy Place argument to any Induhviduals who
need the enlightenment that comes from having their core beliefs
mocked. I can't guarantee that this will stop terrorism, but whatever
you're doing now isn't working.

Some problems are not going to be solved quickly. At least you can shame
some Christians by sarcastically asking them, "Is that what Jesus would
do?". "Is that Jesus told you to treat others as you would be?".

There is nothing a Boleshevic or Socialist and their tyrannical
lynch-mobs understand but the force of fire and steel. They believe
freedom and free will is a delusion, the mind and heart programmable
(they are, briefly to some extent).

Religion is like government, the only thing worse than it is the absence
of it. It is a necessary evil for most stupid people.

--
Scott

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A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

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