OT: Congressional Vaccine Hogs- DeLay First in Line

[Fred Bloggs]

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[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:

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Gee, I see some Dems on that list. Nothing like being fair and
balanced fredfraud:

Sen. Barbara Boxer, D.-Calif., come on down!

"Sen. Barbara Boxer, 63, also got a flu shot, her spokeswoman said.
Boxer is on a campaign bus tour outside of Bakersfield and not
available for comment."

She's not the only Dem there, but look at her age. You can't get away
from seeing all the "me first" male Republican pigs on the list. I
wonder how many old people will die this winter because of DeLay's
monstrous selfishness.

 

[Richard Henry]

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Tom Seim wrote:
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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6308203/


Gee, I see some Dems on that list. Nothing like being fair and
balanced fredfraud:

Sen. Barbara Boxer, D.-Calif., come on down!

"Sen. Barbara Boxer, 63, also got a flu shot, her spokeswoman said.
Boxer is on a campaign bus tour outside of Bakersfield and not
available for comment."

She's not the only Dem there, but look at her age. You can't get away
from seeing all the "me first" male Republican pigs on the list. I
wonder how many old people will die this winter because of DeLay's
monstrous selfishness.

I was secretly hoping that during the last debate W would be tricked into
saying that he would solve the flu vaccine crisis by importing cheaper
supplies from Canada.

 

[Ken Smith]

In article <mrFed.15191$SW3.11893@fed1read01>,
Richard Henry <rphenry@home.com> wrote:
[...]

I was secretly hoping that during the last debate W would be tricked into
saying that he would solve the flu vaccine crisis by importing cheaper
supplies from Canada.

Canada has some to spare. They consider things like the flu to be a bad
enough risk to make plans to ensure a supply.

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kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge

 

[Richard Henry]

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
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In article <mrFed.15191$SW3.11893@fed1read01>,
Richard Henry <rphenry@home.com> wrote:
[...]
I was secretly hoping that during the last debate W would be tricked into
saying that he would solve the flu vaccine crisis by importing cheaper
supplies from Canada.

Canada has some to spare. They consider things like the flu to be a bad
enough risk to make plans to ensure a supply.

Whoosh!

 

[Clarence]

"Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com> wrote in message
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"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
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In article <mrFed.15191$SW3.11893@fed1read01>,
Richard Henry <rphenry@home.com> wrote:
[...]
I was secretly hoping that during the last debate W would be tricked into
saying that he would solve the flu vaccine crisis by importing cheaper
supplies from Canada.

Canada has some to spare. They consider things like the flu to be a bad
enough risk to make plans to ensure a supply.

Whoosh!

No question that Canada is Cheap! Also, how much of the rejected Vaccine is
being sold there? (If any.)

 

[Ken Smith]

In article <S%Ped.18186$nj.6678@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:
[...]

No question that Canada is Cheap! Also, how much of the rejected Vaccine is
being sold there? (If any.)

The answer must obviously be "no rejected vaccine is being sold there".
If it is rejected, it is not accepted.


--
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kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge

 

[Clarence]

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
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In article <S%Ped.18186$nj.6678@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:
[...]
No question that Canada is Cheap! Also, how much of the rejected Vaccine is
being sold there? (If any.)


The answer must obviously be "no rejected vaccine is being sold there".
If it is rejected, it is not accepted.

So you say you don't know if any is in Canada because you are not involved in

the process? I know I do not know, since I am also not involved in buying
drugs.

I know that several people have said they were told the Canadian's were buying
more. I wondered where it was coming from. I accept that you don't know.

The question also arose when the American Government said they had found
another 6,400,000 doses! Where is it being made?

 

[Ken Smith]

In article <6KVed.34240$QJ3.603@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
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In article <S%Ped.18186$nj.6678@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:
[...]
No question that Canada is Cheap! Also, how much of the rejected Vaccine is
being sold there? (If any.)


The answer must obviously be "no rejected vaccine is being sold there".
If it is rejected, it is not accepted.

So you say you don't know if any is in Canada because you are not involved in
the process? I know I do not know, since I am also not involved in buying
drugs.

No, I said what I said. I did not buy the vaccine for Canada but I do
know, based on statements made by G. W. Bush and others that they have a
surplus supply of good vaccine.

I know that several people have said they were told the Canadian's were buying
more. I wondered where it was coming from. I accept that you don't know.

It would be coming from the labs that haven't had a problem. It will be
delivered in the future when the labs make it.

The question also arose when the American Government said they had found
another 6,400,000 doses! Where is it being made?

The US does not have system for tracking vaccine that has been bought by
the various government branches and hospitals etc. There was 6.4M doses
purchased, delivered and not yet used. They managed to track the
purchases to who had bought it and asked them if they have remaining
stocks.

--
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kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge

 

[Clarence]

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
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In article <6KVed.34240$QJ3.603@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:clgk9q$6u6$2@blue.rahul.net...
In article <S%Ped.18186$nj.6678@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:
[...]
No question that Canada is Cheap! Also, how much of the rejected Vaccine
is
being sold there? (If any.)

The answer must obviously be "no rejected vaccine is being sold there".
If it is rejected, it is not accepted.

So you say you don't know if any is in Canada because you are not involved
in
the process? I know I do not know, since I am also not involved in buying
drugs.

No, I said what I said. I did not buy the vaccine for Canada but I do
know, based on statements made by G. W. Bush and others that they have a
surplus supply of good vaccine.

You said none, but clearly you don't know. "I did not buy the vaccine for
Canada" So You are relying on a third party for the information. So it is
Hearsay. Not reliable.

I know that several people have said they were told the Canadian's were
buying
more. I wondered where it was coming from. I accept that you don't know.

It would be coming from the labs that haven't had a problem. It will be
delivered in the future when the labs make it.

The question also arose when the American Government said they had found
another 6,400,000 doses! Where is it being made?

The US does not have system for tracking vaccine that has been bought by
the various government branches and hospitals etc. There was 6.4M doses
purchased, delivered and not yet used. They managed to track the
purchases to who had bought it and asked them if they have remaining
stocks.

Wrong again! Drugs in the us are tracked to the manufacturer and the batch
numbers.

--
forging knowledge -- Because you don't know.

You had no related information, So why did you reply?

 

[Clarence]

"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:09:06 GMT, the renowned "Clarence" <no@No.com
wrote:


"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:clgk9q$6u6$2@blue.rahul.net...
In article <S%Ped.18186$nj.6678@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:
[...]
No question that Canada is Cheap! Also, how much of the rejected Vaccine
is
being sold there? (If any.)


The answer must obviously be "no rejected vaccine is being sold there".
If it is rejected, it is not accepted.

So you say you don't know if any is in Canada because you are not involved
in
the process? I know I do not know, since I am also not involved in buying
drugs.

I know that several people have said they were told the Canadian's were
buying
more. I wondered where it was coming from. I accept that you don't know.

Here's an article on it:-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59493-2004Oct24.html

The question also arose when the American Government said they had found
another 6,400,000 doses! Where is it being made?

Thanks, a straight answer is always best.

 

[xray]

On 24 Oct 2004 19:05:32 -0700, soar2morrow@yahoo.com (Tom Seim) wrote:

The company that "screwed up" the flu vaccine is British (even tho
they were bought by Chiron a couple of years ago).

Which makes them an American company, doesn't it. Chiron had the
contract to produce the vaccine for use in the USA. If you are trying to
make a point, I can't detect what it might be.

Interesting that we Americans can't use the "dangerous" Canadian drugs
when they might cut into the scheme that lets US drug companys rob its
local customers. Now when we (the big WE) have a problem, some of those
drugs are suddenly ok.

 

[Clarence]

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:clht00$58a$2@blue.rahul.net...

In article <7_Wed.34275$QJ3.7284@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:clhbph$ndu$5@blue.rahul.net...
In article <6KVed.34240$QJ3.603@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
[...]
You said none, but clearly you don't know. "I did not buy the vaccine for
Canada" So You are relying on a third party for the information. So it is
Hearsay. Not reliable.

It was reported in several places including G. W. Bush, NPR and CBC news.
Unless you have some contrary evidence, I'll stand by my statement.

The US does not have system for tracking vaccine that has been bought by
the various government branches and hospitals etc. There was 6.4M doses
purchased, delivered and not yet used. They managed to track the
purchases to who had bought it and asked them if they have remaining
stocks.

Wrong again! Drugs in the us are tracked to the manufacturer and the batch
numbers.

Site please.

Go back and re-read what I said. What you claim does not contradict my
statement. What in what I said are you claiming is wrong? My statement,
I thought, was quite clear. There is no system to track the purchases.

You correctly point out that you can trace from the drug back to the
maker. This is a far different thing than tracing drug purchases by the
various institutions.

I didn't say it was wrong, just not the answer to the implied question.

You said you didn't know. I accept that!

 

[Clarence]

"xray" <notreally@hotmail.invalid> wrote in message
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On 24 Oct 2004 19:05:32 -0700, soar2morrow@yahoo.com (Tom Seim) wrote:

The company that "screwed up" the flu vaccine is British (even tho
they were bought by Chiron a couple of years ago).

Which makes them an American company, doesn't it. Chiron had the
contract to produce the vaccine for use in the USA. If you are trying to
make a point, I can't detect what it might be.

That is understandable, I wouldn't expect you to understand. I didn't as you
anything either.

Interesting that we Americans can't use the "dangerous" Canadian drugs
when they might cut into the scheme that lets US drug company's rob its
local customers. Now when we (the big WE) have a problem, some of those
drugs are suddenly ok.

I agree, and do not think that the Canadians should be able to buy drugs for
less than American citizens. Under any circumstance whatever!

Although there is some question about whether any of them are safe, and no one
seems to know anything about it.

 

[xray]

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 04:51:54 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

Which makes them an American company, doesn't it. Chiron had the
contract to produce the vaccine for use in the USA. If you are trying to
make a point, I can't detect what it might be.


That is understandable, I wouldn't expect you to understand. I didn't as you
anything either.

As far as I can see, I wasn't replying to you at all. Why did you feel
obliged to puke up another unintelligible broken-english response?

A few times recently, I thought about replying to some of your useless
crap, but you are such festering vermin that poking at you only releases
more puss. Please do us all a favor and crawl off into some corner to
die.

 

[Clarence]

"xray" <notreally@hotmail.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 04:51:54 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

snip

Hey, I replied to some of your useless crap, so don't feel bad about the
temptation, just fight it.

No one seems to want to hear from you anyway.

 

[xray]

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:58:59 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

"xray" <notreally@hotmail.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 04:51:54 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

snip

[snip] back

You always have to have the last word, don't you?

 

[Clarence]

"xray" <notreally@hotmail.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:58:59 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

"xray" <notreally@hotmail.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 04:51:54 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

snip

[snip] back

You always have to have the last word, don't you?

Not always.

 

[xray]

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:50:10 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

"xray" <notreally@hotmail.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:58:59 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

"xray" <notreally@hotmail.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 04:51:54 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

snip

[snip] back

You always have to have the last word, don't you?


Not always.

Just this time, huh?

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:

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Gee, I see some Dems on that list. Nothing like being fair and
balanced fredfraud:

Sen. Barbara Boxer, D.-Calif., come on down!

"Sen. Barbara Boxer, 63, also got a flu shot, her spokeswoman said.
Boxer is on a campaign bus tour outside of Bakersfield and not
available for comment."

She's not the only Dem there, but look at her age. You can't get away

from seeing all the "me first" male Republican pigs on the list. I

wonder how many old people will die this winter because of DeLay's
monstrous selfishness.


I was secretly hoping that during the last debate W would be tricked into
saying that he would solve the flu vaccine crisis by importing cheaper
supplies from Canada.

The US has been screwing up vaccine production for too many years now.
Shortage is something we have come to expect. Last year the vaccine was
worthless because it was for the wrong strain- they knew this
beforehand, but when problems developed in producing that vaccine, it
was also canned and they just re-ordered the vaccine from the previous
year- hence the epidemics in the western states. So those vaccines were
little more than placebo- no real scientific difference between that and
this year with no vaccine period. This mismanagement of the influenza
vaccine is not an isolated incident- it is an example of the rule that
you can't expect much from the government- and to think that so many
sorry-assed ignorant swine, especially the Bush supporters, think that
anything will be different with a much bigger mess called Dept Homeland
Security- that is the biggest laugh going these days!


The company that "screwed up" the flu vaccine is British (even tho
they were bought by Chiron a couple of years ago).

Should the U.S. Government produce all drugs? I don't think so.

The situation is such that the US should have gone GOCO long ago on this.