OT - Computing question!

[David_B]

Redirection - is there some way to 'see' the process?


I'm trying to learn about computing matters but am confused as to how
this can happen.

If I type, for example, http://www.dreamsevermore.com/ into an address
bar of one of my browsers and click 'go' (if necessary) I'm immediately
whisked off to here instead:- http://i43.tinypic.com/2vt8io5.jpg

Presumably the same thing will happen to you. I'd be grateful for
confirmation of that! (If not, I guess I have a problem here!)

How does this work, guys?

Can I 'see' the process in some way?

Any/all help appreciated. TIA.

--
Dave

 

[~BD~]

Wolfgang Allinger wrote:

On 07 Jan 12 at group /sci/electronics/repair in article
David_B@nomail.afraid.org> (David_B) wrote:

If I type, for example, http://www.dreamsevermore.com/ into an address
bar of one of my browsers and click 'go' (if necessary) I'm
immediately whisked off to here instead:-
http://i43.tinypic.com/2vt8io5.jpg

Presumably the same thing will happen to you. I'd be grateful for
confirmation of that! (If not, I guess I have a problem here!)

Same with me from Paraguay WinXPprof SP3, Firefox 9.0.1

How does this work, guys?

Don`t know either.



Saludos Wolfgang

Thanks for responding.

Your computer clock appears to be wrong!

Your message is shown here as being posted at 11:27 am - but at the
moments it's only around 10:30!! (GMT)

HTH

--
Dave

 

[Adrian C]

On 07/01/2012 09:07, David_B wrote:

Redirection - is there some way to 'see' the process?


I'm trying to learn about computing matters but am confused as to how
this can happen.

If I type, for example, http://www.dreamsevermore.com/ into an address
bar of one of my browsers and click 'go' (if necessary) I'm immediately
whisked off to here instead:- http://i43.tinypic.com/2vt8io5.jpg

As you are using a Mac, you should have cUrl already installed. Try this
from terminal.

http://www.g-loaded.eu/2006/10/06/check-server-http-headers-with-curl/

--
Adrian C

 

[Wolfgang Allinger]

On 07 Jan 12 at group /sci/electronics/repair in article
<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> (~BD~) wrote:

Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
Same with me from Paraguay WinXPprof SP3, Firefox 9.0.1

How does this work, guys?

Don`t know either.

Thanks for responding.

Your computer clock appears to be wrong!

Your message is shown here as being posted at 11:27 am - but at the
moments it's only around 10:30!! (GMT)

uups, posted it 06:27 PYST (Paraguay Summer Time) that`s UTC/GMT-3

the header says ...S-5 Grrrrr. Seems that my emailer and/or WinXP or the
connection didn`t work correct for DST on the southern hemisphere.
Don`t know if I can debug that.

I will ship this approx at 08:30 Local time, after trying to manipulate
the header time offset. Hopfully in the right direction.



Saludos Wolfgang

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Paraguay mailer: CrossPoint XP 3.20 (XP2) in WinXPprof DOSbox
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Unsinn, Schwachsinn, Bloedsinn, Wahnsinn, Stumpfsinn, Irrsinn, Loetzinn.

 

[Wolfgang Allinger]

On 07 Jan 12 at group /sci/electronics/repair in article
<David_B@nomail.afraid.org> (David_B) wrote:

If I type, for example, http://www.dreamsevermore.com/ into an address
bar of one of my browsers and click 'go' (if necessary) I'm
immediately whisked off to here instead:-
http://i43.tinypic.com/2vt8io5.jpg

Presumably the same thing will happen to you. I'd be grateful for
confirmation of that! (If not, I guess I have a problem here!)

Same with me from Paraguay WinXPprof SP3, Firefox 9.0.1

How does this work, guys?

Don`t know either.



Saludos Wolfgang

--
Wolfgang Allinger 15h00..21h00 MEZ: SKYPE:wolfgang.allinger
Paraguay mailer: CrossPoint XP 3.20 (XP2) in WinXPprof DOSbox
Meine 7 Sinne: reply Adresse gesetzt!
Unsinn, Schwachsinn, Bloedsinn, Wahnsinn, Stumpfsinn, Irrsinn, Loetzinn.

 

[David_B]

Adrian C wrote:

On 07/01/2012 09:07, David_B wrote:
Redirection - is there some way to 'see' the process?


I'm trying to learn about computing matters but am confused as to how
this can happen.

If I type, for example, http://www.dreamsevermore.com/ into an address
bar of one of my browsers and click 'go' (if necessary) I'm immediately
whisked off to here instead:- http://i43.tinypic.com/2vt8io5.jpg

As you are using a Mac, you should have cUrl already installed. Try this
from terminal.

http://www.g-loaded.eu/2006/10/06/check-server-http-headers-with-curl/

Hello Adrian

Here's a snippet of what I found - I had no idea about such matters!

Thank you so much - I have much to consider/learn!

Dave

*

try 'curl --help' or 'curl --manual' for more information
unknown-00-23-12-24-26-b4:~ davidandtrishab$ curl --manual
_ _ ____ _
Project ___| | | | _ \| |
/ __| | | | |_) | |
| (__| |_| | _ <| |___
\___|\___/|_| \_\_____|

NAME
curl - transfer a URL

SYNOPSIS
curl [options] [URL...]

DESCRIPTION
curl is a tool to transfer data from or to a server, using one
of the
supported protocols (DICT, FILE, FTP, FTPS, GOPHER, HTTP, HTTPS,
IMAP,
IMAPS, LDAP, LDAPS, POP3, POP3S, RTMP, RTSP, SCP, SFTP, SMTP,
SMTPS,
TELNET and TFTP). The command is designed to work without user
inter-
action.

curl offers a busload of useful tricks like proxy support, user
authen-
tication, FTP upload, HTTP post, SSL connections, cookies, file
trans-
fer resume and more. As you will see below, the number of
features will
make your head spin!

curl is powered by libcurl for all transfer-related
features. See
libcurl(3) for details.

URL
The URL syntax is protocol-dependent. You'll find a detailed
descrip-
tion in RFC 3986.

You can specify multiple URLs or parts of URLs by writing
part sets
within braces as in:

http://site.{one,two,three}.com

or you can get sequences of alphanumeric series by using [] as in:

ftp://ftp.numericals.com/file[1-100].txt
ftp://ftp.numericals.com/file[001-100].txt (with leading zeros)
ftp://ftp.letters.com/file[a-z].txt

Nested sequences are not supported, but you can use several
ones next
to each other:

http://any.org/archive[1996-1999]/vol[1-4]/part{a,b,c}.html

You can specify any amount of URLs on the command line. They
will be
fetched in a sequential manner in the specified order.

You can specify a step counter for the ranges to get every Nth
number
or letter:

http://www.numericals.com/file[1-100:10].txt
http://www.letters.com/file[a-z:2].txt

If you specify URL without protocol:// prefix, curl will
attempt to
guess what protocol you might want. It will then default to
HTTP but
try other protocols based on often-used host name prefixes. For
exam-
ple, for host names starting with "ftp." curl will assume you
want to
speak FTP.

curl will do its best to use what you pass to it as a URL. It
is not
trying to validate it as a syntactically correct URL by any
means but
is instead very liberal with what it accepts.

Curl will attempt to re-use connections for multiple file
transfers, so
that getting many files from the same server will not do
multiple con-
nects / handshakes. This improves speed. Of course this is only
done on
files specified on a single command line and cannot be used
between
separate curl invokes.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:07:30 +0000, David_B
<David_B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

Redirection - is there some way to 'see' the process?

Sorta. Try traceroute. From your header, it appears that you're
using a Mac. Go to the shell, er... terminal window and run:
traceroute www.dreamservermore.com
resulting in something that ends in this:

11 ace-data-centers-gw.ip4.tinet.net (173.241.129.46) 44.007 ms
42.955 ms 42.500 ms
12 tg1-1.ar01.prov.acedc.net (199.58.196.37) 58.137 ms 43.033 ms
42.196 ms
13 port1.ar01.prov.bluehost.com (199.58.199.114) 143.064 ms
212.679 ms 122.074 ms
14 box494.bluehost.com (66.147.242.94) 58.168 ms 41.456 ms
41.801 ms

Bluehost.com is a web hosting provider that has probably hundreds of
web sites hidden behind this one IP address including
dreamservermore.com.
<http://whois.domaintools.com/66.147.242.94>

However, the exact target IP of www.dreamservermore.com is controlled
by DNS which is under the control of whomever owns
dreamservermore.com.

Oops. Looks like something just changed while I was testing. Whois,
nslookup, ping, and now traceroute all claim that dreamservermore.com
does not exist. I think they just pulled the plug on this domain. It
previously pointed to www.cosmeticsolutions.com, but after I flushed
the DNS cache, the web browser comes up with "problem loading page".

Anyway, what I'm guessing was happening was that whomever was in
control of the domain, was using URL redirection to point to other web
sites. This is a feature provided by almost all domain registry
services.

I'm trying to learn about computing matters but am confused as to how
this can happen.

It's intentional. For example, I have that running on one of my
domains. If you go to:
<http://www.LearnByDestroying.com>
you get redirected to:
<http://members.cruzio.com/~jeffl/>
Note that the browser shows the target URL. I could also wrap it
inside an HTML frame, and have the browser show the original URL. If
you try to use traceroute to locate www.LearnByDestroying.com, you'll
get about 20 hops, ending in Germany, where I have the domain
registered with Joker.com. I was hoping that it would then show the
redirected route from Germany to Santa Cruz, where the actual web
server is located, but I guess not. Sorry, but I can't demonstrate
the entire path.

If I type, for example, http://www.dreamsevermore.com/ into an address
bar of one of my browsers and click 'go' (if necessary) I'm immediately
whisked off to here instead:- http://i43.tinypic.com/2vt8io5.jpg

Presumably the same thing will happen to you. I'd be grateful for
confirmation of that! (If not, I guess I have a problem here!)

How does this work, guys?

Can I 'see' the process in some way?

Any/all help appreciated. TIA.

You really should post your question in a networking newsgroup, not a
repair newsgroup.


--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:23:25 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

Anyway, what I'm guessing was happening was that whomever was in
control of the domain, was using URL redirection to point to other web
sites. This is a feature provided by almost all domain registry
services.

I forgot the requisite Wikipedia link:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL_redirection>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[~BD~]

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:23:25 -0800, Jeff Liebermann<jeffl@cruzio.com
wrote:

Anyway, what I'm guessing was happening was that whomever was in
control of the domain, was using URL redirection to point to other web
sites. This is a feature provided by almost all domain registry
services.

I forgot the requisite Wikipedia link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL_redirection

Thanks for your help Jeff. I was reading at the wiki link earlier today.

I posted here because I've been reading many of the discussions and like
the way the folk here conduct themselves. That was after I'd asked about
TV aerial problems some weeks ago and got some very helpful responses.

I'll come back and study what you said in detail tomorrow - it's late
here and I'm rather tired. I'm interested in the fact that 'someone'
wasn't happy with you using the domain!

I found it (dreamservermore.com) here btw -
http://www.luftmensch.com/boards/

"Click *here* and read the pathetic personal homepage of Chung Y. Chow."

Cheers

Dave

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 10:39:41 +0000, Adrian C <email@here.invalid>
wrote:

As you are using a Mac, you should have cUrl already installed. Try this
from terminal.

http://www.g-loaded.eu/2006/10/06/check-server-http-headers-with-curl/

It works. However, I had to update curl from 7.16.4 to 7.23.1 on my
iMac G5 PPC in order to get it to display properly. Using my
redirected web server:

$ /usr/local/bin/curl -I -L http://www.learnbydestroying.com
HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
Server: redir-httpd
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 01:44:20 GMT
Location: http://members.cruzio.com/~jeffl/
Last-Modified: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 23:07:36 GMT
Content-Length: 137
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 01:44:20 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.31 (Unix) PHP/4.3.8
Content-Type: text/html

Nice. It shows the redirection. Thanks for the hint.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[natp]

David_B <David_B@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

Redirection - is there some way to 'see' the process?


I'm trying to learn about computing matters but am confused as to how
this can happen.

If I type, for example, http://www.dreamsevermore.com/ into an address
bar of one of my browsers and click 'go' (if necessary) I'm immediately
whisked off to here instead:- http://i43.tinypic.com/2vt8io5.jpg

Presumably the same thing will happen to you. I'd be grateful for
confirmation of that! (If not, I guess I have a problem here!)

How does this work, guys?

Can I 'see' the process in some way?

C:\tmp>graburl -h http://www.dreamsevermore.com/
HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily
Connection: close
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 02:05:28 GMT
Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0
X-Powered-By: ASP.NET
location: http://www.cosmeticsolutions.com
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8