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Ricky C
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On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 2:36:58 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
I can never tell when you are serious or when you are putting us on. Do you really believe any of this?
I mean, come on... really?
From the piece....
In a challenging question Dr Jean-François Lemoine inferred that the coronavirus under investigation may have come from a patient who is otherwise infected with HIV.
"No," says Luc Montagnier, "in order to insert an HIV sequence into this genome, molecular tools are needed, and that can only be done in a laboratory."
This is just wrong. If two viruses are in the same host genetic material from each virus can exist in the same cell resulting in that genetic material being incorporated into the viruses released. While any given scenario might be more or less likely, there is nothing to say the presence of HIV genes in a coronavirus had to be produced in a lab.
This happens often in nature. That's how they suspect many new viruses are created, not by a single viral strain mutating, but multiple viral strains combining, producing various combinations of new viruses.
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I can never tell when you are serious or when you are putting us on. Do you really believe any of this?
I mean, come on... really?
From the piece....
In a challenging question Dr Jean-François Lemoine inferred that the coronavirus under investigation may have come from a patient who is otherwise infected with HIV.
"No," says Luc Montagnier, "in order to insert an HIV sequence into this genome, molecular tools are needed, and that can only be done in a laboratory."
This is just wrong. If two viruses are in the same host genetic material from each virus can exist in the same cell resulting in that genetic material being incorporated into the viruses released. While any given scenario might be more or less likely, there is nothing to say the presence of HIV genes in a coronavirus had to be produced in a lab.
This happens often in nature. That's how they suspect many new viruses are created, not by a single viral strain mutating, but multiple viral strains combining, producing various combinations of new viruses.
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Ricky C
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On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 5:10:29 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
You mean like Linus Pauling? Are you taking your massive doses of vitamin C to ward off this disease?
What I posted is fact. You can look it up yourself. Lateral Gene Transfer or LGT is a good place to start.
Then there are the many, many others who disagree with Dr Luc Montagnier.
"He [Dr Montagnier] also proposes to rid the virus of these foreign elements âwith wavesâ â a theory which has attracted mockery in the past.
âThat does not make sense. These are very small elements that we find in other viruses of the same family, other coronaviruses in nature,â virologist Ătienne Simon-Lorière of the Institut Pasteur in Paris, explained to AFP.
âThese are pieces of the genome that actually look like lots of sequences in the genetic material of bacteria, viruses and plants,â he says."
So if his colleagues disagree with him, why are you such a believer?
More importantly, why are you so gullible so as to believe every piece of trash you read? Do you have no critical mind at all?
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You mean like Linus Pauling? Are you taking your massive doses of vitamin C to ward off this disease?
What I posted is fact. You can look it up yourself. Lateral Gene Transfer or LGT is a good place to start.
Then there are the many, many others who disagree with Dr Luc Montagnier.
"He [Dr Montagnier] also proposes to rid the virus of these foreign elements âwith wavesâ â a theory which has attracted mockery in the past.
âThat does not make sense. These are very small elements that we find in other viruses of the same family, other coronaviruses in nature,â virologist Ătienne Simon-Lorière of the Institut Pasteur in Paris, explained to AFP.
âThese are pieces of the genome that actually look like lots of sequences in the genetic material of bacteria, viruses and plants,â he says."
So if his colleagues disagree with him, why are you such a believer?
More importantly, why are you so gullible so as to believe every piece of trash you read? Do you have no critical mind at all?
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On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 2:36:58 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Just because the corona virus was used as candidate vector in an HIV vaccine doesn't mean it was created entirely on purpose. They most likely set up conditions for recombinant creation of the virus in whatever animal species they were using in their experiment. Obviously they had to use a species susceptible to infection by the strain of corona virus they were using. The fact that somewhere along the line it was an HIV vaccine candidate vector lends more support to the theory the virus was created accidentally and not purposely.
Just because the corona virus was used as candidate vector in an HIV vaccine doesn't mean it was created entirely on purpose. They most likely set up conditions for recombinant creation of the virus in whatever animal species they were using in their experiment. Obviously they had to use a species susceptible to infection by the strain of corona virus they were using. The fact that somewhere along the line it was an HIV vaccine candidate vector lends more support to the theory the virus was created accidentally and not purposely.
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Cursitor Doom
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 13:56:13 -0700, Ricky C wrote:
> This is just wrong.
Thanks for setting my mind at rest, Ricky. We're very lucky indeed to
have someone such as yourself here who's better informed WRT viruses than
a Nobel laureate in medicine. I'll sleep soundly tonight now. ;->
> This is just wrong.
Thanks for setting my mind at rest, Ricky. We're very lucky indeed to
have someone such as yourself here who's better informed WRT viruses than
a Nobel laureate in medicine. I'll sleep soundly tonight now. ;->
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On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 2:36:58 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
To put this in perspective, the research labs have been attempting HIV DNA vaccines for at least 20 years that I know of. The DNA vaccine inserts an HIV DNA sequence into a vector virus, like adenovirus seems to be popular, and then uses the adenovirus to insert the DNA into the vaccinated person's host cells. The host cells then express proteins from the HIV DNA sequence the immune system can use to develop antibodies and other responses. So this whole Chinese thing is a non-story, stone age stuff.
To put this in perspective, the research labs have been attempting HIV DNA vaccines for at least 20 years that I know of. The DNA vaccine inserts an HIV DNA sequence into a vector virus, like adenovirus seems to be popular, and then uses the adenovirus to insert the DNA into the vaccinated person's host cells. The host cells then express proteins from the HIV DNA sequence the immune system can use to develop antibodies and other responses. So this whole Chinese thing is a non-story, stone age stuff.
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Ricky C
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On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 6:02:13 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
I'm talking about the source of your info vs. the source of the many other reports. You can believe what you want. There's no reason to believe this guy vs. the rest of the scientific world.
I refer you again to Linus Pauling and vitamin C. He had TWO Nobel prizes. So you should believe him twice as much!!!
But I do understand. If you don't want to believe others, you can always find one crack pot to believe.
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I'm talking about the source of your info vs. the source of the many other reports. You can believe what you want. There's no reason to believe this guy vs. the rest of the scientific world.
I refer you again to Linus Pauling and vitamin C. He had TWO Nobel prizes. So you should believe him twice as much!!!
But I do understand. If you don't want to believe others, you can always find one crack pot to believe.
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Cursitor Doom
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 14:36:22 -0700, Ricky C wrote:
> So if his colleagues disagree with him, why are you such a believer?
At this level, one is bound to have one's critics. It's unavoidable in
any sphere. Law - to take just one example -vstands out as being even
worse in this respect.
If you expect me to place more faith in some anonymous Usenet poster to
an electronics forum than in a Nobel laureate opining on his own
specialist subject, you're not merely gullible, you're completely
deranged.
> So if his colleagues disagree with him, why are you such a believer?
At this level, one is bound to have one's critics. It's unavoidable in
any sphere. Law - to take just one example -vstands out as being even
worse in this respect.
If you expect me to place more faith in some anonymous Usenet poster to
an electronics forum than in a Nobel laureate opining on his own
specialist subject, you're not merely gullible, you're completely
deranged.
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Cursitor Doom
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 14:48:24 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:
So to cut a long story short, you agree it's man-made then, as per the
subject header. Glad we got there in the end!
So to cut a long story short, you agree it's man-made then, as per the
subject header. Glad we got there in the end!
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Cursitor Doom
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:31:54 -0700, Ricky C wrote:
Did you used to post here as "Rick C" by any chance?
Did you used to post here as "Rick C" by any chance?
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On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 6:48:45 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
No I don't agree it's manmade. The most likely scenario is they created the novel corona virus accidentally through recombination by injecting an impure lab animal with their vaccine corona virus.
No I don't agree it's manmade. The most likely scenario is they created the novel corona virus accidentally through recombination by injecting an impure lab animal with their vaccine corona virus.
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On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 8:18:14 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
It won't be the worst thing that ever happened. The epidemic proportions of Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma (NHL) in the U.S. has been traced to a polio vaccine grown in monkey tissue in the 1960s. The monkey tissue was analyzed and a TTV (tranfusion transmitted virus) was uncovered. Originally the TTV was gauged to be harmless. It was actually a simian virus and subjected to further study about 30 years later using much more sophisticated technology. A study out of Baylor established that the odds were less then 1 in 10 million the simian virus was not associated with the NHL outbreak. NHL propagates a lot like a virus and that's why they zeroed in on it. The simian virus is not the only thing that causes NHL, but it contributes a lot of victims to the diseased population. This virus is still in circulation, people are giving it to each other.
It won't be the worst thing that ever happened. The epidemic proportions of Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma (NHL) in the U.S. has been traced to a polio vaccine grown in monkey tissue in the 1960s. The monkey tissue was analyzed and a TTV (tranfusion transmitted virus) was uncovered. Originally the TTV was gauged to be harmless. It was actually a simian virus and subjected to further study about 30 years later using much more sophisticated technology. A study out of Baylor established that the odds were less then 1 in 10 million the simian virus was not associated with the NHL outbreak. NHL propagates a lot like a virus and that's why they zeroed in on it. The simian virus is not the only thing that causes NHL, but it contributes a lot of victims to the diseased population. This virus is still in circulation, people are giving it to each other.
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bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in
news:35930492-f35e-4283-a6f7-5275d64aa973@googlegroups.com:
Donald John Trump did it. He sent Nunes over there with it and he
dumped it on them thinking it would disrupt their economy.
Yep... Following in the tradition Trump set the standard for...
LYING. I say Trump did it.
Oddly enough, as casual as the bastard acts about it, I would not
put it past the retarded motherfucker.
news:35930492-f35e-4283-a6f7-5275d64aa973@googlegroups.com:
Donald John Trump did it. He sent Nunes over there with it and he
dumped it on them thinking it would disrupt their economy.
Yep... Following in the tradition Trump set the standard for...
LYING. I say Trump did it.
Oddly enough, as casual as the bastard acts about it, I would not
put it past the retarded motherfucker.
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On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 6:02:13 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Yeah but... Ricky C's avatar is of a monkey WITH GLASSES!!
He may not be a Nobel Laureate, but those glasses got to count for something.
Me?
I'm beginning to think there is so much CRAP out there in the world today, (over-populated as it is), that it'd be a miracle to conclusively know where anything comes from these days!
And the last entity I would trust to tell me is the government.
Yeah but... Ricky C's avatar is of a monkey WITH GLASSES!!
He may not be a Nobel Laureate, but those glasses got to count for something.
Me?
I'm beginning to think there is so much CRAP out there in the world today, (over-populated as it is), that it'd be a miracle to conclusively know where anything comes from these days!
And the last entity I would trust to tell me is the government.
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Bill Sloman
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On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 8:02:13 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Having made one - or even several - great discoveries, doesn't male you any kind of Doric Oracle. Linus Pauling is the textbook example. The same sloppy thinking that let him come up with lots of wacky ideas also got him very close to some great ideas.
He famously got very close to the spiral structure for DNA, and Watson was rather rude about it in "The Golden Helix"
Cursitor Doom seems to put absolute faith in the Daily Mail, Russia Today and ZeroHedge.
He wasn't directly quoting his Nobel Laureate, but rather some reporter's take on what the Nobel Laureate had said, so his claim happens to be a lie (though he's probably too silly to work out why).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier
was presumably pontificating in French, for a start.
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Having made one - or even several - great discoveries, doesn't male you any kind of Doric Oracle. Linus Pauling is the textbook example. The same sloppy thinking that let him come up with lots of wacky ideas also got him very close to some great ideas.
He famously got very close to the spiral structure for DNA, and Watson was rather rude about it in "The Golden Helix"
Cursitor Doom seems to put absolute faith in the Daily Mail, Russia Today and ZeroHedge.
He wasn't directly quoting his Nobel Laureate, but rather some reporter's take on what the Nobel Laureate had said, so his claim happens to be a lie (though he's probably too silly to work out why).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier
was presumably pontificating in French, for a start.
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Bill Sloman
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On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 8:48:45 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
That's not what he said.
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That's not what he said.
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On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 10:04:34 AM UTC+10, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
An even more likely scenario is that the relevant Coid-19 sequence is merely coincidentally similar to the relevant HIV sequence, but that wouldn't suit Fred's daft conspiracy hypotheis that Covid-19 came from the Wuhan virus lab rather random genome drift.
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An even more likely scenario is that the relevant Coid-19 sequence is merely coincidentally similar to the relevant HIV sequence, but that wouldn't suit Fred's daft conspiracy hypotheis that Covid-19 came from the Wuhan virus lab rather random genome drift.
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 17:46:02 -0700, mpm wrote:
Well, if the glasses are intended to suggest he's smarter than the
average monkey, I'm afraid he's failed.
> And the last entity I would trust to tell me is the government.
Very wise. In the West we're still slightly better than China in that
respect, but only slightly.
Yeah but... Ricky C's avatar is of a monkey WITH GLASSES!!
He may not be a Nobel Laureate, but those glasses got to count for
something.
Well, if the glasses are intended to suggest he's smarter than the
average monkey, I'm afraid he's failed.
> And the last entity I would trust to tell me is the government.
Very wise. In the West we're still slightly better than China in that
respect, but only slightly.
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On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 11:21:09 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
I think they can rule that out as highly improbable based on the complexity of the sequence, its dissimilarity to any corona sequences, and its frequency of occurrence in the gene pool.
There is the matter of HIV research being conducted exclusively on primates and not the usual species connected with corona, like bats. However, there are strains of the corona virus that do infect primates obviously.
The conspiracy theorists would have stronger, if not indisputable argument, if they can show the HIV sub-sequence encodes for a well known antigen for the HIV virus used in previous studies. But but they don't mention that, and probably because it doesn't.
Here's a similar circumstantial finding as to why the novel virus probably did not originate in a lab, but it does make certain assumptions about the competence of the Chinese researchers.
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html
I think they can rule that out as highly improbable based on the complexity of the sequence, its dissimilarity to any corona sequences, and its frequency of occurrence in the gene pool.
There is the matter of HIV research being conducted exclusively on primates and not the usual species connected with corona, like bats. However, there are strains of the corona virus that do infect primates obviously.
The conspiracy theorists would have stronger, if not indisputable argument, if they can show the HIV sub-sequence encodes for a well known antigen for the HIV virus used in previous studies. But but they don't mention that, and probably because it doesn't.
Here's a similar circumstantial finding as to why the novel virus probably did not originate in a lab, but it does make certain assumptions about the competence of the Chinese researchers.
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html
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Bill Sloman
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On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 11:16:52 PM UTC+10, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
If you want to do that, you have tell us how long the sequence is, and how frequently it does show up elsewhere in the gene pool.
You should be able to post the sequence, or a least a link to a web-site where it can be inspected.
Anything short of that is idle pontification, and you should know it.
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And what do you think they are?
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If you want to do that, you have tell us how long the sequence is, and how frequently it does show up elsewhere in the gene pool.
You should be able to post the sequence, or a least a link to a web-site where it can be inspected.
Anything short of that is idle pontification, and you should know it.
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And what do you think they are?
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Bill Sloman, Sydney