OT: Bush Thugs Rough Up Grieving Mother of KIA

[Jonathan Kirwan]

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:31:36 +0100, "R.Lewis" <h.lewis-not this
bit-@connect-2.co.uk> wrote:

If you are interested in the subject see Schmidt-Clausens 'Historical
overview of Flashing Light Photometry' in the Report on the CIE
workshophotometry of Flashing Lights from here

http://physics.nist.gov/Divisions/Div844/facilities/photo/Publications/CIE_F
lash_Workshop.pdf

and follow the references through from the early days.

Blondel-Rey is still widely used/specified but it is not all that simple!

Thanks. Some time ago, I had to develop something akin to CIE color and
intensity separation for binning parts from a major manufacturer. That was my
start into this area and I enjoyed it, particularly reading through some of the
work by Edwin Land in the late 1970's and early 1980's. Read about a lot more
than I needed for the work, but it was fun. This looks like more to add to the
mix.

Jon

 

[Jonathan Kirwan]

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:00:20 GMT, snovotill@hotmail.com wrote:

Darn, it's a dead link for me.

Worked fine for me, but his line is broken so you need to paste it back
together.

Jon

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sunday 26 September 2004 10:41 am, Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com>
did deign to grace us with the following:

Rich Grise <null@example.net> says...

BTW, I've got a couple of inventions like that, that need investors.
They're so simple that they can't be patented, but there's nothing like
them on the market yet.

I have recently found myself in a position where I have the authority
to choose what products get manufactured and sold. Let's talk about
your ideas over lunch.

Cool! Let's meet at Bruce's, so I can show off my rich client!

Thanks!
Rich

 

[Mike Monett]

Rich Grise wrote:
[...]

The opposing attorney will accuse you of doing that whether you
actually do it or not...

The unfortunate fact is, that mailing something to yourself (at least in
the US) has been found in court to not prove a single thing.

But there are official forms where you can file an "invention disclosure"
with the patent office for about a hundred bucks. This prevents anybody
else from patenting it, and usually you won't need to bother with a whole
patent.

The book "Patent it Yourself", which I found at the public library in
the reference section - you might have to ask for it - explains everything
there is to know about patents.

Good Luck!
Rich

Also, lots of good stuff on the web.

Filing an invention disclosure costs US$10.00:

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/disdo.html

Best Wishes,

Mike Monett

 

[Robert Baer]

Rich Grise wrote:

On Sunday 26 September 2004 12:23 am, John Woodgate did deign to grace us
with the following:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Ken Smith
kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote (in <cj4o62$g7l$8@blue.rahul.net&gt
about 'ELF detector', on Sat, 25 Sep 2004:

I doubt software can do it. You need to divide by zero. Most
programmers have a hard time writing code that does that successfully.

IF DIVISOR = 0, THEN RESULT = 1E+38 ELSE RESULT = DIVIDEND/DIVISOR

It's the order in which you write it that matters. (;-)
--

Gee, John, do you still punch your Fortran onto Hollerith cards?

;-)
Rich

I *also* use columns 73-80 for name and sequence info.

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sunday 26 September 2004 08:44 am, Fred Bloggs did deign to grace us with
the following:

Rich Grise wrote:
Bloggs, you asshole.

"Abandoned???" How about "Releived of Invaders?"

Abandon is what we do when we stop providing military protection for
those who have committed themselves to being our allies.

Do you mean, "those who have committed to a free ride at the American
taxpayers' expense"? Screw them. Let them pay their own bills.

To what end? Extermination of anybody that doesn't like The Rich White
Guy Way Of Life?

It is possible to setup a representative government in Iraq- that should
be the goal.

The goal _should_ be to let the Iraqi citizenry set up whatever kind of
government they want. If they want a big church, more power to them -

IT IS NONE OF OUR DAMNED STINKING BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What Government? American puppet dictators, like they usually install?

That would be the Bush plan. Under the Kerry plan, it will be UN all the
way- not a puppet dictator.

A puppet of the UN - same difference.

When did you decide that the citizens of Iraq are all children that need
your oh-so-wise guidance into your way of life?

Necessity of what? Killing Iraqis until they say, "OK, Mr. Bush, we'll
run our country your way for you."?

Giving them their freedom means stopping killing them and stop bullying
them into the image and likeness of George Bush.

Exactly- and this necessitates removing Bush and his kind from office.

On this we agree.

Bush caused this intensity of resistance as evidenced by all the now
well-known internal legal counsel documentation advising on just how
much brutality and torture he could get away with without incurring
international wrath. There was no military science to the Bush actions-
it was all politics from the start- he is a completely reckless fool
oblivious to the consequences of failure.

It's a situation where the only possible success is to admit our blatant
incompetent blundering and go home.

And all the murderers need to be prosecuted, of course.

Ever seen "War Games," with Matthew Broderick? I think that's the name
of the flick. It's about a big NORAD computer that decides to blow up
the world, and the kid talks it into playing a game of "Global
Thermonuclear War" with itself - at the end, it says, "Strange game. The
only way to win is not to play."

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sunday 26 September 2004 10:33 am, Jim Yanik did deign to grace us with
the following:

Perhaps you ought to ask the POWs that suffered because of Kerry's remarks
if they think he committed treason.Or "aided and abetted" the enemy.

Depends. How many of those POWs were kidnapped off the farm in Kansas?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sunday 26 September 2004 09:05 am, Fred Bloggs did deign to grace us with
the following:

Bush's daughters speak for themselves- dressed like trailer park sluts
and acting like spoiled rich kids with 'tude. I call that a failure to
raise those children properly, and I hope to God they aren't
representative of some future model- a bunch of totally worthless and
superficial airheads.

That's another of their goals - Stepford Wives. All they want is clockwork
barbie dolls, and a brood mare to give them sons.

Feh.

 

[Robert Baer]

ChrisGibboGibson wrote:

I have a new design of a product that is due to be launched in about 3 months
time. Prototypes worked perfectly first time (always a good sign), beta test
units are in the field operating exactly as they should.

As far as I can tell from searching trade journals, the net, UK and US patent
searches etc nothing like it currently exists. I'll clarify that, there are at
least 30 other units currently being manufactured and sold that do the exactly
same job, but they all do it in a different (but more or less the same as each
other) way. As far as I can tell, my unit does it in a rather unique way. The
result being that it's far simpler to install, simpler to use and the final
result is more accurate. It's also cheaper to produce.

I don't have much faith in the patent system, it seems rather pointless to me
with the man with the fattest wallet winning the court battle. If I was to
publish details on the net, would that qualify as prior art/publication such
that if any one else tried to patent the idea, then that application could be
refused (so we can carry on making them) or at least, the patent would be
cancelled (or whatever the correct phrase is) should an infringement case be
started.

If I patent the idea then I have to tell everyone how it works, if I go the
route of publishing it here, then the same applies, if I do nothing, then I
accept there are far cleverer people than me out there who could probably work
out how it works in a matter of days once they saw that the idea does actually
work (I suspect other people have thought of it in the past but dismissed it).

Ideas ?

Input ?

Gibbo

Some comments:
1) Almost anything previously made and/or patented can be patented; it
is a matter of creative wording to get it through the system and
awarded. There are many awarded patents that are obvious duplicates to
previous patents or based on obvious applications of prior art or based
on public domain works.
2) A patent holder needs serious money if and when (repeat: IF and WHEN)
there is either a bastard company stepping on the financial toes of the
patent holder, or a bastard company that creatively re-words and/or
re-engineered for a new patent and THEN steps on the financial toes with
the different version. And then *only* if that patent holder sees fit to
go to court.
3) If you can at least afford a "small entity" application, do so *now*.
Look at other patents, and *CAREFULLY* craft your claims (the legal
part) to cover the unique items and as many variations as you can think
of, making each and every variance an *independent* claim. Do not let
cost of umpteen claims be a hindrance. You may craft a full application,
and file it as a preliminary (forget their term) which (presumably)
gives a year of coverage and grace for full filing.
Do your own careful patent research, make copies of all patents close
to the field(s) of work, and make sure what you are doing (for claims)
is different (to reduce frivolous lawsuits). Doing your own work is a
*lot* cheaper than paying a patent lawyer - and you know what has been
done (useful for crafting those claims).
4) Make a market survey as to the potential markets, sales prices,
methods of advertising for units that do the same work, with an eye to
quantities actually sold by each maker. Do your best to determine their
costs (all of them). See if you can make your device at a far less cost
(automate as much as possible), make and initial run of 10% of the
market and then advertise - spend 2-5 times in ads as in the making (ie:
bombshell the competition).
Ad: "At last! A fully reliable and more easily usable <bottle
opener>!". Make your unit look similar to theirs, and make the ASP only
slightly higher than theirs. Make comparison charts showing the
benefits. Etc.
5) If they try to "kill" you via a price war, then your lower costs will
allow you to compete while they are killing themselves in lost profits.
Lower your price to slightly below theirs, until they cannot sell at a
loss without going bankrupt. Then buy them out in bankruptcy court
especially if they have useable equipment (and hire their expert
personnel).

 

[John Crighton]

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:13:34 +0000 (UTC), "Colin Dawson"
<nospam@cjdawson.com> wrote:

Won't anyone give me a straight answer on how the hell to build an
Ammeter
circuit,

You never asked anybody for an ammeter circuit. And an ammeter doesn't
measure the battery's level anyway - it measures how much current you're
drawing from it.


Didn't I? I take it that you read the original message.....

"Is there something that I can do to counter balance this high current
voltage drop?

My thought on this is to place a kind of Ammeter into the circuit, that will
adjust the value of VR1, in accordance to the amount of current drawn
through the circuit. Changes in current would would effect this part of
the circuit, and continuously trim the battery meter, so that the readout
remains stable. (and hopefully correct)"


Regards

Colin Dawson
www.cjdawson.com


Hello Colin,

I don't fully understand what you are saying here but it
sounds like that you are talking about a voltage regulator
circuit.

If you are talking about a voltage regulator to give you
a constant Voltage to run your gear, here is a brute
force simple method.

(Go to the motor car wreckers and pick up a second hand
car battery for nothing or next to nothing. Drill small holes into
the battery top to find the links that connect each cell. Screw in
some self tapping screws. You now have a battery with various
voltage taps. Test the cells and short the dud cells out with
heavy wire links because they are dud anyway.
So now your free 12 volt battey is a 10V or 8V or 6V battery,
depending on how many dud cells that you find.)

Now your main power source is let's say 18Volts.
(your good 12 V battery and some cells from old battery in series)
The outpur of your regulator is say 12 volts.
You will need to allow a couple of volts for your
regulator to work.

Use a voltmeter to monitor the input voltage to
your regulator. When it starts to drop close to 14V
you know that is is time to pack up and stop playing
with your telescope gear.

Google up regulator shematics and find something
that you like.
Here is one to give you an idea.
http://www.zen22142.zen.co.uk/Circuits/Power/1230psu.htm
You don't need the transformer and the big capacitor.
You don't need to use all six outboard transistors as shown.

Regards,
John Crighton
Sydney

 

[Robert Baer]

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that ChrisGibboGibson
chrisgibbogibson@aol.com> wrote (in <20040926094507.22383.00001038@mb-
m17.aol.com&gt about 'Patents, Prior Art, Publication and Usenet.', on
Sun, 26 Sep 2004:

I don't have much faith in the patent system,

Very sensible. You need pots of money to bring an infringement action.

it seems rather pointless
to me with the man with the fattest wallet winning the court battle. If
I was to publish details on the net, would that qualify as prior
art/publication such that if any one else tried to patent the idea, then
that application could be refused (so we can carry on making them) or at
least, the patent would be cancelled (or whatever the correct phrase is)
should an infridgement case be started.

Yes. But also put all the data in an envelope and send it to yourself
(or your lawyer if you have one) by Recorded Delivery, so that it gets
an official, independent date-stamp. DON'T OPEN THE ENVELOPE!

If I patent the idea then I have to tell everyone how it works, if I go
the route of publishing it here, then the same applies, if I do nothing,
then I accept there are far cleverer people than me out there who could
probably work out how it works in a matter of days once they saw that
the idea does actually work (I suspect other people have thought of it
in the past but dismissed it).

Yes: if you don't patent it, it can legally be reverse-engineered. You
could apply for 'design registration' and there can be 'copyright' on PC
boards and control panel artwork, but these all add complications.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Design patents and copyrights are essentially worthless for coverage
of something that should have been a full patent.
The "mail it to yourself" idea is stupid and useless.
What *is* useful is a dated notebook which would show when initial
"crazy" idea was generated, along with dates of work and dates of
improvement, etc. Better, is that each entry is witnessed (signed and
dated). *NEVER* scribble over or white out anything in the notebook,
*EVER* !! Instead, add a page noting the error(s) and the corrections at
minimum; add pages with the full corrected drawings and text if there
are numerous corrections.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:13:36 GMT, Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote:

On Friday 24 September 2004 07:16 pm, John Larkin did deign to grace us with
the following:

Oh dear, your advice is about $200 million too late.

Two hundred mil? Could you loan me a couple thou?

I'd expect that lots of working engineers have designed hundreds of
megabucks worth of stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if Jim or Speff
total out higher than me.

Of course, I didn't get to keep all that money. Most of that sum was
accumulated when I was young and stupid, designing 70 hours a week for
$1000 a month to make other people rich.

I never borrow money. The problem is, you have to pay it back.

John

 

[Tim Wescott]

Rakesh Sharma wrote:

Hi,

How would I construct an XOR function using NOR gates ONLY? I have
tried breaking my head over it but haven't come up with a solution.

Thanks in advance

Rakesh

The last two months of Embedded Systems Programming
(http://www.embedded.com) has a nice column on Karnaugh maps and the
Quien-McClusky method -- look for Jack Crenshaw's math column.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

 

[legg]

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:13:34 +0000 (UTC), "Colin Dawson"
<nospam@cjdawson.com> wrote:

Didn't I? I take it that you read the original message.....

"Is there something that I can do to counter balance this high current
voltage drop?

My thought on this is to place a kind of Ammeter into the circuit, that will
adjust the value of VR1, in accordance to the amount of current drawn
through the circuit. Changes in current would would effect this part of
the circuit, and continuously trim the battery meter, so that the readout
remains stable. (and hopefully correct)"

From previous;

"Run two .... blah blah.............Kelvin connection.

"Alternately, one lighter-guage wire from the negative battery
terminal could be used to measure cable drop. Inverted (using
a single supply op amp) and resistively summed into your IC's
input pin (SIG), it could compensate for cable drops in the
measurement.

"In any event.......blah blah....... need."

The cable drop is the current sensing shunt betwen the battery and the
meter's ground reference at the load side. This sensing voltage is
easily inverted using a 358 or similar single supply op-amp, with or
without gain and resistively weighted to modify your meter's input, as
you request.

RL

 

[Guy Macon]

John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> says...

Neither would a jury

That's why I specified 'Recorded delivery'. The delivery is recorded
quite independently of the sender, by the Post Office. The envelope
carries a label with a number which can be used to retrieve the record.
I might have said, 'Stick the label over the flaps of the envelope so
that it can't be opened without destroying the label'.

Does UK recorded delivery have that option? As far as I can tell
here in the US, no date marking is available that cannot be applied
to an unsealed envelope, allowing you to stuff it and seal it later.

 

[Guy Macon]

Rich Grise <null@example.net> says...

On Sunday 26 September 2004 10:41 am, Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com
did deign to grace us with the following:

Rich Grise <null@example.net> says...

BTW, I've got a couple of inventions like that, that need investors.
They're so simple that they can't be patented, but there's nothing like
them on the market yet.

I have recently found myself in a position where I have the authority
to choose what products get manufactured and sold. Let's talk about
your ideas over lunch.

Cool! Let's meet at Bruce's, so I can show off my rich client!

*Potential* client. <grin> Got your email, Bruce's is good, my treat,
need to see when I will be free, will email you.

 

[jan Axelson]

We can use usbcheck.exe to check USB devices reports, right it was be
replaced by USBCV 1.21, now, I don't know how to check the USB reports
again....

If you're looking for a way to verify the sending and receiving of HID
reports, my application code here might help:

www.Lvr.com/hidpage.htm

Jan Axelson
www.Lvr.com

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:22:41 -0400, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 16:59:49 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:13:36 GMT, Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote:

On Friday 24 September 2004 07:16 pm, John Larkin did deign to grace us with
the following:

Oh dear, your advice is about $200 million too late.

Two hundred mil? Could you loan me a couple thou?



I'd expect that lots of working engineers have designed hundreds of
megabucks worth of stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if Jim or Speff
total out higher than me.

Jim's 14xx stuff would be worth at least ten bucks. eh?

Of course, I didn't get to keep all that money. Most of that sum was
accumulated when I was young and stupid, designing 70 hours a week for
$1000 a month to make other people rich.

Yeah, I've worked for the "man" all my professional life. Even at that
I've made well more than a $M, with little risk myself. There isn't
anything wrong with workign for a living.

I never borrow money. The problem is, you have to pay it back.

Hmm, you've never met a .bomb you've ever liked? It seems that's the
key to "sucess", borrow from others, then *split*. ;-)

The key to success is to marry a woman with a good job.

John

 

[James Meyer]

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 16:29:15 +0000 (UTC), "Colin Dawson" <nospam@cjdawson.com>
wroth:

As other's have said on this thread, that idea won't really tell me when to
re-charge, as different current will change the characteristics of the
battery, so I won't actually know when the Ah usage is too much. Hence
basing the reading primarily on voltage. I do see how that would work
though.

Regards

Colin Dawson
www.cjdawson.com

I do this sort of thing for a living, and I can tell you that measuring
the current out of the battery and accumulating a running total of amp-hours
will come *much* closer to telling you how much charge is still left in it than
any voltmeter reading no matter how you massage the voltage.

One op-amp, a transistor, a motor with some gears, a handful of passive
parts, and a day to put the thing together.

Either that, or a PIC microprocessor.........

Jim

 

[Rolavine]

NeoCons is too good a title for our opponents, the failure worshipping Bush
Lovers. I suggest we call them 'Facshits', I think that treats them with only
slightly more respect than they have earned.

This combines:
1 : often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of
the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that
stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader,
severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of
opposition

+

6 : usually vulgar : a worthless, offensive, or detestable person

Rocky