OT All our mice are broken

[George Herold]

This might be my favorite science podcast of the decade. It's very slow
getting started... gets going about 38 minutes in...
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-portal-2/e/66665404?autoplay=true
Science story summary:
Bret W. hears about telemere's, (counters at the ends of cell DNA..
if there is a copy function in a cell then the number of telemeres
is the range (# times to run loop) instruction. )
Telemeres protect against cancer..
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres? WTF? and then the story..
George H.

 

[John Robertson]

On 2020/01/20 3:07 p.m., George Herold wrote:

This might be my favorite science podcast of the decade. It's very slow
getting started... gets going about 38 minutes in...
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-portal-2/e/66665404?autoplay=true
Science story summary:
Bret W. hears about telemere's, (counters at the ends of cell DNA..
if there is a copy function in a cell then the number of telemeres
is the range (# times to run loop) instruction. )
Telemeres protect against cancer..
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres? WTF? and then the story..
George H.

It might be explained that perhaps there was intentional misdirection in
the HHGttG? It wasn't mice who were running the experiment but the rats!
42 and all that...

Thanks for the link!

John :-#)#

 

George Herold <ggherold@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ef8e1f41-b7f7-4408-a501-f882aee6091e@googlegroups.com:

This might be my favorite science podcast of the decade. It's
very slow getting started... gets going about 38 minutes in...
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-portal-2/e/66665404?autoplay=t
rue Science story summary:
Bret W. hears about telemere's, (counters at the ends of cell
DNA.. if there is a copy function in a cell then the number of
telemeres is the range (# times to run loop) instruction. )
Telemeres protect against cancer..
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres? WTF? and then the story..
George H.

Ahhhh... Bach...

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHNLdHe8uxY>

 

[Sea]

On 01/20/2020 03:07 PM, George Herold wrote:

This might be my favorite science podcast of the decade. It's very slow
getting started... gets going about 38 minutes in...
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-portal-2/e/66665404?autoplay=true
Science story summary:
Bret W. hears about telemere's, (counters at the ends of cell DNA..
if there is a copy function in a cell then the number of telemeres
is the range (# times to run loop) instruction. )
Telemeres protect against cancer..
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres? WTF? and then the story..
George H.

When Tucker analyzed the extremes of milk drinkers, adults who consumed
whole milk had telomeres that were a striking 145 base pairs shorter
than non-fat milk drinkers.

<https://scitechdaily.com/drinking-1-vs-2-milk-associated-with-a-significant-difference-in-aging/>

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 9:24:10 PM UTC-5, Sea wrote:

On 01/20/2020 03:07 PM, George Herold wrote:
This might be my favorite science podcast of the decade. It's very slow
getting started... gets going about 38 minutes in...
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-portal-2/e/66665404?autoplay=true
Science story summary:
Bret W. hears about telemere's, (counters at the ends of cell DNA..
if there is a copy function in a cell then the number of telemeres
is the range (# times to run loop) instruction. )
Telemeres protect against cancer..
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres? WTF? and then the story..
George H.

When Tucker analyzed the extremes of milk drinkers, adults who consumed
whole milk had telomeres that were a striking 145 base pairs shorter
than non-fat milk drinkers.

https://scitechdaily.com/drinking-1-vs-2-milk-associated-with-a-significant-difference-in-aging/

Which is cause and which is effect?

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 10:03:50 PM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:74d99d9b-f222-42d3-8854-b316b3447904@googlegroups.com:

On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 9:24:10 PM UTC-5, Sea wrote:
On 01/20/2020 03:07 PM, George Herold wrote:
This might be my favorite science podcast of the decade. It's
very slow getting started... gets going about 38 minutes in...
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-portal-2/e/66665404?autopla
y=true Science story summary:
Bret W. hears about telemere's, (counters at the ends of cell
DNA.. if there is a copy function in a cell then the number of
telemeres is the range (# times to run loop) instruction. )
Telemeres protect against cancer..
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres? WTF? and then the story..
George H.

When Tucker analyzed the extremes of milk drinkers, adults who
consumed whole milk had telomeres that were a striking 145 base
pairs shorter than non-fat milk drinkers.

https://scitechdaily.com/drinking-1-vs-2-milk-associated-with-a-s
ignificant-difference-in-aging/

Which is cause and which is effect?


Smaller end caps are smaller end caps and you live less.

Just like a clock, they can look at your tattered, old man molecule
and depending on how many base pairs are missing, they can tell you
how fast you are going through your elder years. Short telomere,
short life.

Doesn't say anything about drinking milk. Fat or non-fat.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

Sea <freshness@coast.org> wrote in news:r05nbv$83a$1@gioia.aioe.org:

On 01/20/2020 03:07 PM, George Herold wrote:
This might be my favorite science podcast of the decade. It's
very slow getting started... gets going about 38 minutes in...
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-portal-2/e/66665404?autoplay=
true Science story summary:
Bret W. hears about telemere's, (counters at the ends of cell
DNA.. if there is a copy function in a cell then the number of
telemeres is the range (# times to run loop) instruction. )
Telemeres protect against cancer..
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres? WTF? and then the story..
George H.

When Tucker analyzed the extremes of milk drinkers, adults who
consumed whole milk had telomeres that were a striking 145 base
pairs shorter than non-fat milk drinkers.

https://scitechdaily.com/drinking-1-vs-2-milk-associated-with-a-si
gnificant-difference-in-aging/

Now I have to stop consuming one of my favorite forms of
sustenance.

 

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:74d99d9b-f222-42d3-8854-b316b3447904@googlegroups.com:

On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 9:24:10 PM UTC-5, Sea wrote:
On 01/20/2020 03:07 PM, George Herold wrote:
This might be my favorite science podcast of the decade. It's
very slow getting started... gets going about 38 minutes in...
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-portal-2/e/66665404?autopla
y=true Science story summary:
Bret W. hears about telemere's, (counters at the ends of cell
DNA.. if there is a copy function in a cell then the number of
telemeres is the range (# times to run loop) instruction. )
Telemeres protect against cancer..
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres? WTF? and then the story..
George H.

When Tucker analyzed the extremes of milk drinkers, adults who
consumed whole milk had telomeres that were a striking 145 base
pairs shorter than non-fat milk drinkers.

https://scitechdaily.com/drinking-1-vs-2-milk-associated-with-a-s
ignificant-difference-in-aging/

Which is cause and which is effect?

Smaller end caps are smaller end caps and you live less.

Just like a clock, they can look at your tattered, old man molecule
and depending on how many base pairs are missing, they can tell you
how fast you are going through your elder years. Short telomere,
short life.

 

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:d2b43d69-8075-4198-90f5-6b834dd53ea5@googlegroups.com:

On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 10:03:50 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:74d99d9b-f222-42d3-8854-b316b3447904@googlegroups.com:

On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 9:24:10 PM UTC-5, Sea wrote:
On 01/20/2020 03:07 PM, George Herold wrote:
This might be my favorite science podcast of the decade.
It's very slow getting started... gets going about 38
minutes in...
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-portal-2/e/66665404?auto
pla y=true Science story summary:
Bret W. hears about telemere's, (counters at the ends of
cell DNA.. if there is a copy function in a cell then the
number of telemeres is the range (# times to run loop)
instruction. ) Telemeres protect against cancer..
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres? WTF? and then the story..
George H.

When Tucker analyzed the extremes of milk drinkers, adults who
consumed whole milk had telomeres that were a striking 145
base pairs shorter than non-fat milk drinkers.

https://scitechdaily.com/drinking-1-vs-2-milk-associated-with-
a-s ignificant-difference-in-aging/

Which is cause and which is effect?


Smaller end caps are smaller end caps and you live less.

Just like a clock, they can look at your tattered, old man
molecule
and depending on how many base pairs are missing, they can tell
you how fast you are going through your elder years. Short
telomere, short life.

Doesn't say anything about drinking milk. Fat or non-fat.

The article? Yes it sure does. One look at yours and I could tell
what kind of milk you predominantly drank over the years.

 

[Robert Baer]

Sea wrote:

On 01/20/2020 03:07 PM, George Herold wrote:
This might be my favorite science podcast of the decade.  It's very slow
getting started... gets going about 38 minutes in...
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-portal-2/e/66665404?autoplay=true
Science story summary:
Bret W. hears about telemere's, (counters at the ends of cell DNA..
if there is a copy function in a cell then the number of telemeres
is the range (# times to run loop) instruction. )
Telemeres protect against cancer..
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres?  WTF? and then the story..
George H.

When Tucker analyzed the extremes of milk drinkers, adults who consumed
whole milk had telomeres that were a striking 145 base pairs shorter
than non-fat milk drinkers.

https://scitechdaily.com/drinking-1-vs-2-milk-associated-with-a-significant-difference-in-aging/

WELL!
I drink about 8 gallons of 3% milk a week (most of my life); is that
why i am over 80?.

 

Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
news:xYwVF.19806$8Y7.14447@fx05.iad:

Sea wrote:
On 01/20/2020 03:07 PM, George Herold wrote:
This might be my favorite science podcast of the decade.  It's
very slow getting started... gets going about 38 minutes in...
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-portal-2/e/66665404?autoplay
=true Science story summary:
Bret W. hears about telemere's, (counters at the ends of cell
DNA.. if there is a copy function in a cell then the number of
telemeres is the range (# times to run loop) instruction. )
Telemeres protect against cancer..
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres?  WTF? and then the story..
George H.

When Tucker analyzed the extremes of milk drinkers, adults who
consumed whole milk had telomeres that were a striking 145 base
pairs shorter than non-fat milk drinkers.

https://scitechdaily.com/drinking-1-vs-2-milk-associated-with-a-s
ignificant-difference-in-aging/

WELL!
I drink about 8 gallons of 3% milk a week (most of my life); is
that
why i am over 80?.

You drink over a gallon of milk a day?

A bit chubby are we?

 

[Sea]

On 01/20/2020 10:35 PM, Robert Baer wrote:

Sea wrote:
...
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres? WTF? and then the story..
George H.

When Tucker analyzed the extremes of milk drinkers, adults who
consumed whole milk had telomeres that were a striking 145 base pairs
shorter than non-fat milk drinkers.

https://scitechdaily.com/drinking-1-vs-2-milk-associated-with-a-significant-difference-in-aging/

WELL!
I drink about 8 gallons of 3% milk a week (most of my life); is that
why i am over 80?.

It's because you drink rat milk.

 

On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 22:35:08 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Sea wrote:
On 01/20/2020 03:07 PM, George Herold wrote:
This might be my favorite science podcast of the decade.  It's very slow
getting started... gets going about 38 minutes in...
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-portal-2/e/66665404?autoplay=true
Science story summary:
Bret W. hears about telemere's, (counters at the ends of cell DNA..
if there is a copy function in a cell then the number of telemeres
is the range (# times to run loop) instruction. )
Telemeres protect against cancer..
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres?  WTF? and then the story..
George H.

When Tucker analyzed the extremes of milk drinkers, adults who consumed
whole milk had telomeres that were a striking 145 base pairs shorter
than non-fat milk drinkers.

https://scitechdaily.com/drinking-1-vs-2-milk-associated-with-a-significant-difference-in-aging/

WELL!
I drink about 8 gallons of 3% milk a week (most of my life); is that
why i am over 80?.

Historically (and still today) most nutritional studies are wrong.

The salt panic, promoted by Al Gore before he found a more profitable
cause to hype, is just one example.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-01-21 01:35, Robert Baer wrote:

Sea wrote:
On 01/20/2020 03:07 PM, George Herold wrote:
This might be my favorite science podcast of the decade.  It's very slow
getting started... gets going about 38 minutes in...
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-portal-2/e/66665404?autoplay=true
Science story summary:
Bret W. hears about telemere's, (counters at the ends of cell DNA..
if there is a copy function in a cell then the number of telemeres
is the range (# times to run loop) instruction. )
Telemeres protect against cancer..
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres?  WTF? and then the story..
George H.

When Tucker analyzed the extremes of milk drinkers, adults who
consumed whole milk had telomeres that were a striking 145 base pairs
shorter than non-fat milk drinkers.

https://scitechdaily.com/drinking-1-vs-2-milk-associated-with-a-significant-difference-in-aging/

  WELL!
  I drink about 8 gallons of 3% milk a week (most of my life); is that
why i am over 80?.

No, that would be because you were born before 1940.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(many happy returns)

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[George Herold]

On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 22:35:08 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Sea wrote:
On 01/20/2020 03:07 PM, George Herold wrote:
This might be my favorite science podcast of the decade.  It's very slow
getting started... gets going about 38 minutes in...
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-portal-2/e/66665404?autoplay=true
Science story summary:
Bret W. hears about telemere's, (counters at the ends of cell DNA..
if there is a copy function in a cell then the number of telemeres
is the range (# times to run loop) instruction. )
Telemeres protect against cancer..
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres?  WTF? and then the story..
George H.

When Tucker analyzed the extremes of milk drinkers, adults who consumed
whole milk had telomeres that were a striking 145 base pairs shorter
than non-fat milk drinkers.

https://scitechdaily.com/drinking-1-vs-2-milk-associated-with-a-significant-difference-in-aging/

WELL!
I drink about 8 gallons of 3% milk a week (most of my life); is that
why i am over 80?.

Historically (and still today) most nutritional studies are wrong.

This seems a bit worse than the 'p-hacking' done on big data.
Here's a huffpost article
Ughh.. cut because of long link.
Here's Bret's article
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11909679
The abstract is good, but heavy word-wise.
Basically we breed rats with long telomeres. So they are
very good at over coming toxins and damage, but are very
susceptible to cancer in late life. Not the best test animals.

George H.

The salt panic, promoted by Al Gore before he found a more profitable
cause to hype, is just one example.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

[Robert Baer]

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
news:xYwVF.19806$8Y7.14447@fx05.iad:

Sea wrote:
On 01/20/2020 03:07 PM, George Herold wrote:
This might be my favorite science podcast of the decade.  It's
very slow getting started... gets going about 38 minutes in...
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-portal-2/e/66665404?autoplay
=true Science story summary:
Bret W. hears about telemere's, (counters at the ends of cell
DNA.. if there is a copy function in a cell then the number of
telemeres is the range (# times to run loop) instruction. )
Telemeres protect against cancer..
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres?  WTF? and then the story..
George H.

When Tucker analyzed the extremes of milk drinkers, adults who
consumed whole milk had telomeres that were a striking 145 base
pairs shorter than non-fat milk drinkers.

https://scitechdaily.com/drinking-1-vs-2-milk-associated-with-a-s
ignificant-difference-in-aging/

WELL!
I drink about 8 gallons of 3% milk a week (most of my life); is
that
why i am over 80?.



You drink over a gallon of milk a day?

A bit chubby are we?

Nope; weigh about the same as when i graduated from high school.

 

[Robert Baer]

Sea wrote:

On 01/20/2020 10:35 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
Sea wrote:
...
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres?  WTF? and then the story..
George H.

When Tucker analyzed the extremes of milk drinkers, adults who
consumed whole milk had telomeres that were a striking 145 base pairs
shorter than non-fat milk drinkers.

https://scitechdaily.com/drinking-1-vs-2-milk-associated-with-a-significant-difference-in-aging/


   WELL!
   I drink about 8 gallons of 3% milk a week (most of my life); is that
why i am over 80?.

It's because you drink rat milk.
Wrong ASSuMPTion; besides, ain't sold or available.

 

[Robert Baer]

Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2020-01-21 01:35, Robert Baer wrote:
Sea wrote:
On 01/20/2020 03:07 PM, George Herold wrote:
This might be my favorite science podcast of the decade.  It's very
slow
getting started... gets going about 38 minutes in...
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-portal-2/e/66665404?autoplay=true
Science story summary:
Bret W. hears about telemere's, (counters at the ends of cell DNA..
if there is a copy function in a cell then the number of telemeres
is the range (# times to run loop) instruction. )
Telemeres protect against cancer..
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres?  WTF? and then the story..
George H.

When Tucker analyzed the extremes of milk drinkers, adults who
consumed whole milk had telomeres that were a striking 145 base pairs
shorter than non-fat milk drinkers.

https://scitechdaily.com/drinking-1-vs-2-milk-associated-with-a-significant-difference-in-aging/

   WELL!
   I drink about 8 gallons of 3% milk a week (most of my life); is
that why i am over 80?.


No, that would be because you were born before 1940.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(many happy returns)

Thanks, kid

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 2:54:28 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 22:35:08 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Sea wrote:
On 01/20/2020 03:07 PM, George Herold wrote:
This might be my favorite science podcast of the decade.  It's very slow
getting started... gets going about 38 minutes in...
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-portal-2/e/66665404?autoplay=true
Science story summary:
Bret W. hears about telemere's, (counters at the ends of cell DNA..
if there is a copy function in a cell then the number of telemeres
is the range (# times to run loop) instruction. )
Telemeres protect against cancer..
so short lived animals should have a short length... but lab
rats had long telemeres?  WTF? and then the story..
George H.

When Tucker analyzed the extremes of milk drinkers, adults who consumed
whole milk had telomeres that were a striking 145 base pairs shorter
than non-fat milk drinkers.

https://scitechdaily.com/drinking-1-vs-2-milk-associated-with-a-significant-difference-in-aging/

WELL!
I drink about 8 gallons of 3% milk a week (most of my life); is that
why i am over 80?.

Historically (and still today) most nutritional studies are wrong.

Not so much wrong as inadequate and misleading. As usual, JHohn Larkin posts this claim without providing any links to any evidence that might support it, so he's almost certainly more likely to be wrong and misleading than the studies he thinks he is referring to, because you can't publish in peer-reviewed journal without any supporting evidence.

The salt panic, promoted by Al Gore before he found a more profitable
cause to hype, is just one example.

Eating too much salt is associated with developing high blood pressure, which is bad for you.

https://www.heartfoundation.org.au/healthy-eating/food-and-nutrition/salt

The advised intake varies from 5 gram per day down to 1.5 grams per day. The Australian average is 10 grams per day.

https://www.nutritionaustralia.org/national/frequently-asked-questions/salt-and-hypertension

It's not something to panic about, and Al Gore doesn't promote panic - he just takes science seriously, which John Larkin can't manage since doesn't understand enough science to know what he's talking about.

The interesting thing about Al Gore is that for somebody who never had much of a scientific education he's remarkably good at getting his scientific facts right.

The depressing thing about John Larkin is that he isn't.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 7:54:28 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> Historically (and still today) most nutritional studies are wrong.

False. You can't judge those studies, so you've just made up a fact-like
clickbait phrase (or found one, and are promoting it). The hypeist here, is John Larkin.

The salt panic, promoted by Al Gore before he found a more profitable
cause to hype, is just one example.

Blood is salt water, with fixed salinity, and oxygen-carrying cells. If you overingest
salt, your blood gets a higher water volume, and the heart load goes up as the red cells
(necessary) get pumped as well as lots of water (not necessary).

There was never a 'salt panic'. Al Gore's most profitable cause, the internet, hasn't
needed his input for years, the hype is from others.