OT: A Problem with "the power of prayer"

[Rich Grise]

I saw some deal on the supernatural on TeeVee yesterday or so, and they
were talking about "the power of prayer", and they claimed that they had
done an experiment that had proved that it "works". The experiment had
a couple of sets of Petri dishes with bacterial cultures in them, and
one set of dishes had some group praying over them, and the other set
didn't. They didn't say if there were people just sitting there or not;
that might make a difference. Anyway, they said that the dishes that
had been prayed over had statistically greater bacteria growth.

This, of course, raises a dilemma when praying for a patient with some
bacterial infection - which organism "wins"? ;-)

Or cancer cells?

Cheers!
Rich

 

[martin griffith]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:49:00 GMT, in sci.electronics.design Rich Grise
<richgrise@example.net> wrote:

I saw some deal on the supernatural on TeeVee yesterday or so, and they
were talking about "the power of prayer", and they claimed that they had
done an experiment that had proved that it "works". The experiment had
a couple of sets of Petri dishes with bacterial cultures in them, and
one set of dishes had some group praying over them, and the other set
didn't. They didn't say if there were people just sitting there or not;
that might make a difference. Anyway, they said that the dishes that
had been prayed over had statistically greater bacteria growth.

This, of course, raises a dilemma when praying for a patient with some
bacterial infection - which organism "wins"? ;-)

Or cancer cells?

Cheers!
Rich
maybe they should have had a 3rd Petri dish, and had

people"anti-praying", and see what happens

martin

"Wales is a big welsh-shaped rain collection device"

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net>
wrote (in <pan.2005.04.11.15.49.07.203493@example.net&gt about 'OT: A
Problem with "the power of prayer"', on Mon, 11 Apr 2005:

I saw some deal on the supernatural on TeeVee yesterday or so, and they
were talking about "the power of prayer", and they claimed that they
had done an experiment that had proved that it "works". The experiment
had a couple of sets of Petri dishes with bacterial cultures in them,
and one set of dishes had some group praying over them, and the other
set didn't. They didn't say if there were people just sitting there or
not; that might make a difference. Anyway, they said that the dishes
that had been prayed over had statistically greater bacteria growth.

Group praying over them = different microclimate; warmer, more CO2, more
water vapour. Note that I didn't say 'more hot air'. (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Fred Bartoli]

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> a écrit dans le message de
news:YBACoIeXEqWCFwhh@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net
wrote (in <pan.2005.04.11.15.49.07.203493@example.net&gt about 'OT: A
Problem with "the power of prayer"', on Mon, 11 Apr 2005:
I saw some deal on the supernatural on TeeVee yesterday or so, and they
were talking about "the power of prayer", and they claimed that they
had done an experiment that had proved that it "works". The experiment
had a couple of sets of Petri dishes with bacterial cultures in them,
and one set of dishes had some group praying over them, and the other
set didn't. They didn't say if there were people just sitting there or
not; that might make a difference. Anyway, they said that the dishes
that had been prayed over had statistically greater bacteria growth.

Group praying over them = different microclimate; warmer, more CO2, more
water vapour. Note that I didn't say 'more hot air'. (;-)
--

To overcome this pb you can put all the experiment (Petri boxes and the
prayers) in high vacuum. You also put a thermal screen between the prayers
and the Petri box.

From this much more meaningful experiment, one can conclude that praying
isn't good for health.


--
Thanks,
Fred.

 

[martin griffith]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:51:39 +1200, in sci.electronics.design "Ken
Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

"Fred Bartoli"
fred._canxxxel_this_bartoli@RemoveThatAlso_free.fr_AndThisToo> wrote in
message news:425ade2e$0$341$626a14ce@news.free.fr...

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> a écrit dans le message de
news:YBACoIeXEqWCFwhh@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net
wrote (in <pan.2005.04.11.15.49.07.203493@example.net&gt about 'OT: A
Problem with "the power of prayer"', on Mon, 11 Apr 2005:
I saw some deal on the supernatural on TeeVee yesterday or so, and they
were talking about "the power of prayer", and they claimed that they
had done an experiment that had proved that it "works". The experiment
had a couple of sets of Petri dishes with bacterial cultures in them,
and one set of dishes had some group praying over them, and the other
set didn't. They didn't say if there were people just sitting there or
not; that might make a difference. Anyway, they said that the dishes
that had been prayed over had statistically greater bacteria growth.

Group praying over them = different microclimate; warmer, more CO2, more
water vapour. Note that I didn't say 'more hot air'. (;-)
--

To overcome this pb you can put all the experiment (Petri boxes and the
prayers) in high vacuum. You also put a thermal screen between the prayers
and the Petri box.

From this much more meaningful experiment, one can conclude that praying
isn't good for health.


--
Thanks,
Fred.


Were they praying for or agin the bacteria? You'd need to do both to check
the theory out.

Ken

is thre a IEC/DIN/FCC standardised prayer?

martin

"Wales is a big welsh-shaped rain collection device"

 

[Boris Mohar]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:51:39 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

"Fred Bartoli"
fred._canxxxel_this_bartoli@RemoveThatAlso_free.fr_AndThisToo> wrote in
message news:425ade2e$0$341$626a14ce@news.free.fr...

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> a écrit dans le message de
news:YBACoIeXEqWCFwhh@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net
wrote (in <pan.2005.04.11.15.49.07.203493@example.net&gt about 'OT: A
Problem with "the power of prayer"', on Mon, 11 Apr 2005:
I saw some deal on the supernatural on TeeVee yesterday or so, and they
were talking about "the power of prayer", and they claimed that they
had done an experiment that had proved that it "works". The experiment
had a couple of sets of Petri dishes with bacterial cultures in them,
and one set of dishes had some group praying over them, and the other
set didn't. They didn't say if there were people just sitting there or
not; that might make a difference. Anyway, they said that the dishes
that had been prayed over had statistically greater bacteria growth.

Group praying over them = different microclimate; warmer, more CO2, more
water vapour. Note that I didn't say 'more hot air'. (;-)
--

To overcome this pb you can put all the experiment (Petri boxes and the
prayers) in high vacuum. You also put a thermal screen between the prayers
and the Petri box.

From this much more meaningful experiment, one can conclude that praying
isn't good for health.


--
Thanks,
Fred.


Were they praying for or agin the bacteria? You'd need to do both to check
the theory out.

Ken

They were secretly praying for more funding.



Regards,

Boris Mohar

Got Knock? - see:
Viatrack Printed Circuit Designs (among other things) http://www.viatrack.ca

 

[Paul Burke]

Fred Bartoli wrote:

To overcome this pb you can put all the experiment (Petri boxes and the
prayers) in high vacuum. You also put a thermal screen between the prayers
and the Petri box.

Also repeat the experiment with Holy Rollers, Catholics, Evangelicals,
Hindus, Moslems, Reform and Orthodox Jews, Eastern, Russian and Serbian
Orthodox, Shamanists, Christian Scientists, Mormons, Methodists
Primitive and Congregational, Muggletonians, Ishmaelites, Plymouth
Brethren, Wee Frees and Shintoists. Then we might be able to grade the
contenders in order of efficacy.

Paul Burke

PS apologies to any major world religion or splinter sect inadvertently
overlooked.

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Paul Burke <paul@scazon.com> wrote
(in <3c1ckoF6gsdovU1@individual.net&gt about 'OT: A Problem with "the
power of prayer"', on Tue, 12 Apr 2005:

PS apologies to any major world religion or splinter sect inadvertently
overlooked.

Yes, there are at least three different flavours of Muslim, whereas you
mentioned two flavours of Jews. Expect a f*tw*h any day. (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Fred Bartoli]

"Paul Burke" <paul@scazon.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:3c1ckoF6gsdovU1@individual.net...

Fred Bartoli wrote:

To overcome this pb you can put all the experiment (Petri boxes and the
prayers) in high vacuum. You also put a thermal screen between the
prayers
and the Petri box.


Also repeat the experiment with Holy Rollers, Catholics, Evangelicals,
Hindus, Moslems, Reform and Orthodox Jews, Eastern, Russian and Serbian
Orthodox, Shamanists, Christian Scientists, Mormons, Methodists
Primitive and Congregational, Muggletonians, Ishmaelites, Plymouth
Brethren, Wee Frees and Shintoists. Then we might be able to grade the
contenders in order of efficacy.

I guess we could organize a really huge group praying party in intergalactic
space to see if they can grow a bacteria from the amino acid fragments that
are floating there.

The importance of the issues should motivate a lot of them.


--
Thanks,
Fred.

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Fred Bartoli
<fred._canxxxel_this_bartoli@RemoveThatAlso_free.fr_AndThisToo> wrote
(in <425b8d80$0$32031$626a14ce@news.free.fr&gt about 'OT: A Problem with
"the power of prayer"', on Tue, 12 Apr 2005:

I guess we could organize a really huge group praying party in
intergalactic space to see if they can grow a bacteria from the amino
acid fragments that are floating there.

Since such a gathering could reasonably be called a committee, it would
probably produce a bactrian rather than a bacterium.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Mark Jones]

Ken Taylor wrote:

"Fred Bartoli"
fred._canxxxel_this_bartoli@RemoveThatAlso_free.fr_AndThisToo> wrote in
message news:425ade2e$0$341$626a14ce@news.free.fr...

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> a 馗rit dans le message de
news:YBACoIeXEqWCFwhh@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net
wrote (in <pan.2005.04.11.15.49.07.203493@example.net&gt about 'OT: A
Problem with "the power of prayer"', on Mon, 11 Apr 2005:

I saw some deal on the supernatural on TeeVee yesterday or so, and they
were talking about "the power of prayer", and they claimed that they
had done an experiment that had proved that it "works". The experiment
had a couple of sets of Petri dishes with bacterial cultures in them,
and one set of dishes had some group praying over them, and the other
set didn't. They didn't say if there were people just sitting there or
not; that might make a difference. Anyway, they said that the dishes
that had been prayed over had statistically greater bacteria growth.

Group praying over them = different microclimate; warmer, more CO2, more
water vapour. Note that I didn't say 'more hot air'. (;-)
--

To overcome this pb you can put all the experiment (Petri boxes and the
prayers) in high vacuum. You also put a thermal screen between the prayers
and the Petri box.

From this much more meaningful experiment, one can conclude that praying
isn't good for health.


--
Thanks,
Fred.



Were they praying for or agin the bacteria? You'd need to do both to check
the theory out.

Ken

One prayer person was reported to have spun around in circles and clicked her
heels, vanishing in a puff of white smoke. God must have summoned her for her
good deeds, yeah...

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote
(in <HfudnREQaPNXQsbfRVn-oA@buckeye-express.com&gt about 'OT: A Problem
with "the power of prayer"', on Tue, 12 Apr 2005:

One prayer person was reported to have spun around in circles and
clicked her heels, vanishing in a puff of white smoke. God must have
summoned her for her good deeds, yeah...

Rich-the-godchannel can explain that, I believe. Ahriman?
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Richard the Dreaded Liber]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:37:35 -0400, Boris Mohar wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:51:39 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz
"Fred Bartoli"
"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> a écrit dans le
I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise
....
them, and the other set didn't. They didn't say if there were people
just sitting there or not; that might make a difference. Anyway,
they said that the dishes that had been prayed over had
statistically greater bacteria growth.

Group praying over them = different microclimate; warmer, more CO2,
more water vapour. Note that I didn't say 'more hot air'. (;-) --

To overcome this pb you can put all the experiment (Petri boxes and
the prayers) in high vacuum. You also put a thermal screen between the
prayers and the Petri box.

From this much more meaningful experiment, one can conclude that
praying isn't good for health.

Were they praying for or agin the bacteria? You'd need to do both to
check the theory out.

They were secretly praying for more funding.

Oh, Pfeh. They've been doing this for centuries - it is the ONE thing
that has definitely been proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, works
100% of the time - as long as your agenda is congruent with the agenda
of Sugardaddy Bigbucks.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:13:36 +0100, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote
(in <HfudnREQaPNXQsbfRVn-oA@buckeye-express.com&gt about 'OT: A Problem
with "the power of prayer"', on Tue, 12 Apr 2005:

One prayer person was reported to have spun around in circles and
clicked her heels, vanishing in a puff of white smoke. God must have
summoned her for her good deeds, yeah...

Rich-the-godchannel can explain that, I believe. Ahriman?

Nah, that's just illusions/tricks.

The Laws of Physics are Real, more's the pity. It'd almost be more
appropriate to describe the group session where some person was
"meditating", and suddenly became dead. Presumably, that's the effect
of an "out-of-body experience". The way it was described to me (it
was some sort of group session thing) was, when the meditating
presenter croaked, everybody was very impressed with the transcendental
experience and celebrated the departure of their friend. This is
third- or fourth-hand, of course. I wonder what they'd do with the
corpse if it happened today?

"Out-of-body experience" is an oxymoron. It's impossible to "experience"
anything at all, _except_ in/as Body.

Me, I'm trying to learn to levitate. I've abandoned the lottery
obsession, since money is evil. ;-) Oh, yeah. Back to Ahriman. We do
need his cleverness and powers of observation/study/calculation, we just
need them to be aligned with Love instead of Death. It's pretty much that
simple.
--
Love ya!
Rich

for further information, please visit http://www.godchannel.com
*************
Any suggestions for http://www.neodruid.com ?

Thanks!
Pig Bladder on a Stick
*************

 

[Rich The Newsgropup Wacko]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:36:05 +0100, Paul Burke wrote:

Fred Bartoli wrote:
To overcome this pb you can put all the experiment (Petri boxes and the
prayers) in high vacuum. You also put a thermal screen between the
prayers and the Petri box.

Also repeat the experiment with Holy Rollers, Catholics, Evangelicals,
Hindus, Moslems, Reform and Orthodox Jews, Eastern, Russian and Serbian
Orthodox, Shamanists, Christian Scientists, Mormons, Methodists Primitive
and Congregational, Muggletonians, Ishmaelites, Plymouth Brethren, Wee
Frees and Shintoists. Then we might be able to grade the contenders in
order of efficacy.

PS apologies to any major world religion or splinter sect inadvertently
overlooked.

Man, I was so hyped up at this point that I was almost disappointed that
it wasn't "sphincter set".
--
Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich The Newsgropup Wacko]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:40:18 +0100, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Fred Bartoli
fred._canxxxel_this_bartoli@RemoveThatAlso_free.fr_AndThisToo> wrote (in
425b8d80$0$32031$626a14ce@news.free.fr&gt about 'OT: A Problem with "the
power of prayer"', on Tue, 12 Apr 2005:

I guess we could organize a really huge group praying party in
intergalactic space to see if they can grow a bacteria from the amino
acid fragments that are floating there.

Since such a gathering could reasonably be called a committee, it would
probably produce a bactrian rather than a bacterium.

If your "Committee" consisted of seven or 13 very devout witches, with
a few hundred mikes of Windowpane or Chocolate Mesc, and you were
on an interplanetary ship with a torch engine, and Moody Blues, Patti
Smith, and Pink Floyd were all on the stereo simultaneously, would it
be possible to achieve FTL travel?
--
Cheers!
Rich
------
[another lame limerick dropped because even _I_ found it lame!]

 

[Wouter van Ooijen (www.vo]

I saw some deal on the supernatural on TeeVee yesterday or so, and they
were talking about "the power of prayer"

If this realy works the FCC will be raiding all chuches and other
prayer houses!


Wouter van Ooijen

-- ------------------------------------
http://www.voti.nl
Webshop for PICs and other electronics
http://www.voti.nl/hvu
Teacher electronics and informatics

 

[Ken Taylor]

"Fred Bartoli"
<fred._canxxxel_this_bartoli@RemoveThatAlso_free.fr_AndThisToo> wrote in
message news:425ade2e$0$341$626a14ce@news.free.fr...

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> a écrit dans le message de
news:YBACoIeXEqWCFwhh@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net
wrote (in <pan.2005.04.11.15.49.07.203493@example.net&gt about 'OT: A
Problem with "the power of prayer"', on Mon, 11 Apr 2005:
I saw some deal on the supernatural on TeeVee yesterday or so, and they
were talking about "the power of prayer", and they claimed that they
had done an experiment that had proved that it "works". The experiment
had a couple of sets of Petri dishes with bacterial cultures in them,
and one set of dishes had some group praying over them, and the other
set didn't. They didn't say if there were people just sitting there or
not; that might make a difference. Anyway, they said that the dishes
that had been prayed over had statistically greater bacteria growth.

Group praying over them = different microclimate; warmer, more CO2, more
water vapour. Note that I didn't say 'more hot air'. (;-)
--

To overcome this pb you can put all the experiment (Petri boxes and the
prayers) in high vacuum. You also put a thermal screen between the prayers
and the Petri box.

From this much more meaningful experiment, one can conclude that praying
isn't good for health.


--
Thanks,
Fred.


Were they praying for or agin the bacteria? You'd need to do both to check

the theory out.

Ken

 

[Mark Jones]

Rich The Newsgropup Wacko wrote:

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:40:18 +0100, John Woodgate wrote:

I guess we could organize a really huge group praying party in
intergalactic space to see if they can grow a bacteria from the amino
acid fragments that are floating there.

Since such a gathering could reasonably be called a committee, it would
probably produce a bactrian rather than a bacterium.


If your "Committee" consisted of seven or 13 very devout witches, with
a few hundred mikes of Windowpane or Chocolate Mesc, and you were
on an interplanetary ship with a torch engine, and Moody Blues, Patti
Smith, and Pink Floyd were all on the stereo simultaneously, would it
be possible to achieve FTL travel?

HA!!