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Smitty Two

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I read something the other day, or maybe I just dreamed it, that there's
a new TV coming out with true cinema aspect ratio -- 21:9. No more
letterboxing for movies. Anyone seen it? I guess we'll have to throw
away all the 16:9 sets in a few years ...
 
"Smitty Two" <prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I read something the other day, or maybe I just dreamed it, that there's
a new TV coming out with true cinema aspect ratio -- 21:9. No more
letterboxing for movies. Anyone seen it? I guess we'll have to throw
away all the 16:9 sets in a few years ...
Highly unlikely. Where would you get the software for it? And displaying
narrower aspect ratios would require side panels, which are infinitely more
irritating than letterboxing.
 
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in
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"Smitty Two" <prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I read something the other day, or maybe I just dreamed it, that
there's a new TV coming out with true cinema aspect ratio -- 21:9. No
more letterboxing for movies. Anyone seen it? I guess we'll have to
throw away all the 16:9 sets in a few years ...

Highly unlikely. Where would you get the software for it? And
displaying narrower aspect ratios would require side panels, which are
infinitely more irritating than letterboxing.
Having a TV with a 21:9 aspect ratio wouldn't make any difference,as the
broadcast standard doesn't include 21:9 ratio.And changing that standard
would make all the current TVs and converters a problem as they would be
unable to display the new format.They would not be able to have their
software upgraded.

Besides,16:9 sets today don't letterbox;they display the 16:9 format full
screen.They only pillarbox the older 4:3 format,and the old NTSC sets
letterbox the 16:9 format.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
 
Besides,16:9 sets today don't letterbox. They display
the 16:9 format full screen.
But not 1.85:1 or wider. Those are letterboxed. (The slight overscan of most
sets usually hides the letterboxing at 1.85.)
 
On Mon, 11 May 2009 07:53:04 -0700, Smitty Two
<prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote:

I read something the other day, or maybe I just dreamed it, that there's
a new TV coming out with true cinema aspect ratio -- 21:9. No more
letterboxing for movies. Anyone seen it? I guess we'll have to throw
away all the 16:9 sets in a few years ...
You're not dreaming. Philips announced a 21:9 set since about Jan
2009 to be available by spring 2009 in parts of Europe.
<http://www.cinema.philips.com> (worthless site. No data or specs)
<http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/15/philips-introduces-ultra-widescreen-cinema-21-9-lcd-tv/>
Never mind the TV. I want one for my computah.


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In article <gu9f4n$g07$1@news.motzarella.org>,
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
"Smitty Two" <prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:prestwhich-8F1AA8.07530411052009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com...
I read something the other day, or maybe I just dreamed it, that
there's a new TV coming out with true cinema aspect ratio -- 21:9. No
more letterboxing for movies. Anyone seen it? I guess we'll have to
throw away all the 16:9 sets in a few years ...

Highly unlikely. Where would you get the software for it? And displaying
narrower aspect ratios would require side panels, which are infinitely
more irritating than letterboxing.
Just curious, but how do you display 4:3 material on a 16:9 screen without
'side panels'?

--
*A chicken crossing the road is poultry in motion.*

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
 
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
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In article <gu9f4n$g07$1@news.motzarella.org>,
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
"Smitty Two" <prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:prestwhich-8F1AA8.07530411052009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com...
I read something the other day, or maybe I just dreamed it, that
there's a new TV coming out with true cinema aspect ratio -- 21:9. No
more letterboxing for movies. Anyone seen it? I guess we'll have to
throw away all the 16:9 sets in a few years ...

Highly unlikely. Where would you get the software for it? And displaying
narrower aspect ratios would require side panels, which are infinitely
more irritating than letterboxing.

Just curious, but how do you display 4:3 material on a 16:9 screen without
'side panels'?
You don't (other than stretching the image). I didn't say you did.
 
In article <gu9nl0$p9r$1@news.motzarella.org>,
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
Highly unlikely. Where would you get the software for it? And
displaying narrower aspect ratios would require side panels, which
are infinitely more irritating than letterboxing.

Just curious, but how do you display 4:3 material on a 16:9 screen
without 'side panels'?

You don't (other than stretching the image). I didn't say you did.
Right. Just wondered about the 'infinitely more irritating than letter
boxing' thing. Personally I don't find material being displayed in the
original aspect ratio irritating at all. Cropping or zooming to fill the
screen far more so.

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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
 
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5059e1229bdave@davenoise.co.uk...
In article <gu9nl0$p9r$1@news.motzarella.org>,
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
Highly unlikely. Where would you get the software for it? And
displaying narrower aspect ratios would require side panels, which
are infinitely more irritating than letterboxing.

Just curious, but how do you display 4:3 material on a 16:9 screen
without 'side panels'?

You don't (other than stretching the image). I didn't say you did.

Right. Just wondered about the 'infinitely more irritating than letter
boxing' thing. Personally I don't find material being displayed in the
original aspect ratio irritating at all. Cropping or zooming to fill the
screen far more so.
I find the gray panels on the side distracting in a way that I don't find
the horizontal letterboxing.

The problem is that plasma displays might retain the image of the panels, or
worse, burn in. Heck, I get a little scared watching CinemaScope &
Panavision films.
 
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in
news:gu9gtg$uri$1@news.motzarella.org:

Besides,16:9 sets today don't letterbox. They display
the 16:9 format full screen.

But not 1.85:1 or wider. Those are letterboxed. (The slight overscan
of most sets usually hides the letterboxing at 1.85.)

that comes from the conversion of MOVIES(film) to video formats.
No one is videotaping anything in 21:9 format.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
 
"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
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"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in
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"Smitty Two" <prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:prestwhich-8F1AA8.07530411052009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com.
..
I read something the other day, or maybe I just dreamed it, that
there's a new TV coming out with true cinema aspect ratio -- 21:9. No
more letterboxing for movies. Anyone seen it? I guess we'll have to
throw away all the 16:9 sets in a few years ...

Highly unlikely. Where would you get the software for it? And
displaying narrower aspect ratios would require side panels, which are
infinitely more irritating than letterboxing.




Having a TV with a 21:9 aspect ratio wouldn't make any difference,as the
broadcast standard doesn't include 21:9 ratio.And changing that standard
would make all the current TVs and converters a problem as they would be
unable to display the new format.They would not be able to have their
software upgraded.

Besides,16:9 sets today don't letterbox;they display the 16:9 format full
screen.They only pillarbox the older 4:3 format,and the old NTSC sets
letterbox the 16:9 format.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

What?

Go look again.

Not all movies are the same aspect ratio. Very few are actually 16:9.

Leonard
 
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in
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"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
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In article <gu9f4n$g07$1@news.motzarella.org>,
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
"Smitty Two" <prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:prestwhich-8F1AA8.07530411052009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com.
..
I read something the other day, or maybe I just dreamed it, that
there's a new TV coming out with true cinema aspect ratio --
21:9. No more letterboxing for movies. Anyone seen it? I guess
we'll have to throw away all the 16:9 sets in a few years ...

Highly unlikely. Where would you get the software for it? And
displaying narrower aspect ratios would require side panels, which
are infinitely more irritating than letterboxing.

Just curious, but how do you display 4:3 material on a 16:9 screen
without 'side panels'?
they're called "pillars".(wiki) ie;"pillarboxing".
then there's "windowboxing",a combo of letterbox and pillarbox.
You don't (other than stretching the image). I didn't say you did.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
 
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5059de539cdave@davenoise.co.uk...
In article <gu9f4n$g07$1@news.motzarella.org>,
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
"Smitty Two" <prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:prestwhich-8F1AA8.07530411052009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com...
I read something the other day, or maybe I just dreamed it, that
there's a new TV coming out with true cinema aspect ratio -- 21:9. No
more letterboxing for movies. Anyone seen it? I guess we'll have to
throw away all the 16:9 sets in a few years ...

Highly unlikely. Where would you get the software for it? And displaying
narrower aspect ratios would require side panels, which are infinitely
more irritating than letterboxing.

Just curious, but how do you display 4:3 material on a 16:9 screen without
'side panels'?

--
*A chicken crossing the road is poultry in motion.*

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

You don't, you fake it an distort the image geometry, if you want to fill
the screen.

Leonard
 
In article <0L_Nl.17395$ho7.4809@newsfe10.iad>,
Leonard Caillouet <nospam@noway.com> wrote:
Highly unlikely. Where would you get the software for it? And
displaying narrower aspect ratios would require side panels, which
are infinitely more irritating than letterboxing.

Just curious, but how do you display 4:3 material on a 16:9 screen
without 'side panels'?

You don't, you fake it an distort the image geometry, if you want to
fill the screen.
Right. You've paid for a widescreen set so every inch of the picture must
be filled?

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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
 
that comes from the conversion of MOVIES(film) to video formats.
No one is videotaping anything in 21:9 format.
21:9 is close to Panavision/CinemaScope. I think there are video cameras
with such a format.

I could be wrong.
 
In article <Xns9C0875823E446jyanikkuanet@74.209.136.83>,
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in
news:gu9f4n$g07$1@news.motzarella.org:

"Smitty Two" <prestwhich@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:prestwhich-8F1AA8.07530411052009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com.
..
I read something the other day, or maybe I just dreamed it, that
there's a new TV coming out with true cinema aspect ratio -- 21:9. No
more letterboxing for movies. Anyone seen it? I guess we'll have to
throw away all the 16:9 sets in a few years ...

Highly unlikely. Where would you get the software for it? And
displaying narrower aspect ratios would require side panels, which are
infinitely more irritating than letterboxing.




Having a TV with a 21:9 aspect ratio wouldn't make any difference,as the
broadcast standard doesn't include 21:9 ratio.And changing that standard
would make all the current TVs and converters a problem as they would be
unable to display the new format.They would not be able to have their
software upgraded.

Besides,16:9 sets today don't letterbox;they display the 16:9 format full
screen.They only pillarbox the older 4:3 format,and the old NTSC sets
letterbox the 16:9 format.
My point is that technology procreates. Once a given percentage of the
population has bought into widescreen (16:9), all broadcast TV will
adopt the format. Then people will start buying the 21:9 stuff, and soon
enough, broadcast standards as well as DVD standards will change to
that.

Look at the HDTV thing. People were buying that stuff before there was
any source material for it. Next thing is going to be the 120 hz.
displays. And 3 D isn't far behind, either.

Sure, the old hardware becomes obsolete. A cynic might opine that that's
the point of inventing new stuff.
 

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