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Anybody got any experience of this little fella ? Although it carries the
Orange name, it was actually manufactured by Trace Idiott. It is a very
straightforward amp comprising ECC83 preamp, ECC83 phase splitter, pair of
EL84 outputs and a GZ34 reccy.
The complaint is "turn it up and listen to it howl". Well, with nothing
plugged in, so that the input jack is shorting both the input, and the grid
of the second half of the first ECC83, it's as quiet as the grave. However,
as soon as you plug anything in, it gets very 'hum-y'. Now I would be the
first to admit that the workshop test lead is not of the highest low-noise
quality, neither is the test guitar an expensive one, but both have always
worked fine enough in any other of the several amps per week that I repair.
When I say that this amp becomes hum-y when you plug anything in, anyone who
repairs these things will know what I mean. I don't mean that it sounds in
any way actually faulty - as in open grounds or bad joints on the input
socket or any of the other usual culprits - it just doesn't feel 'right'.
The more you wind the gain and master up, the noisier it gets, until it
bursts into oscillation at a couple of kHz or so. You might be half inclined
to think that the noise from the speaker is rattling the valves, but none
are in the least microphonic, tap-wise, and I have tried another set. If I
terminate the input lead with a 47k R instead of a guitar pickup, it still
seems to pick up a lot of hum on the lead, but you can then get it up to
flat out on gain and master, without it actually starting to howl, which
might suggest that the guitar is mechanically picking up the hum from the
speaker and resonating, but it still howls, even with the strings damped by
a hand across them.
One thing is that the input stage is a little unusual in its design -
although not a lot. Input socket is DC coupled straight to the grid of the
first ECC83 half, via a 68k grid stopper in series. Normal enough. It has a
1M grid leak R, which is normal enough, but unusually, this is connected on
the 'hot' side of the stopper resistor, rather than on the grid side,
although in practice, this shouldn't matter. The cathode bias R is 1.5k.
Again, normal enough, but unusually, it is un-bypassed. The schematic shows
an electrolytic across it, as you would normally find, but it has no value
shown, and is just marked "o/c" presumably for "open circuit". It has a
position on the pcb, but nothing fitted. Anode load R is 100k, as normal.
Anode is AC coupled to the top of the gain control. Wiper of said control is
AC coupled to the grid of the second half of the first ECC83. No stopper. No
grid leak. 1k5 cathode R, bypassed this time with 22uF. Anode load again
100k. 3-way tone network connected between this anode and phase splitter
first-half grid. Other grid driven from tap on split cathode R. Each anode
AC coupled to a dual gang control that is the master, and then into a
totally conventional cathode biased push-pull output stage. So whole thing
pretty conventional. Except that it all seems to have too much gain for its
own good, although given the very typical values, I can't see how it can
have.
So, anyone ever had a play with one of these ? Is this behaviour 'normal'
for it - perhaps overall lousy design of the pcb layout ? Alternatively,
anyone got any other thoughts on what is going on here. Nothing
component-wise reads faulty. Every voltage is pretty much spot on to what it
says on the test points on the pcb. All four HT rails have their own R-C
decoupling network, each following on from the previous one, and none of the
rails has excessive ripple. Heater winding is 6.3v centre tapped. Outputs
hooked straight across whole winding. ECC tapped heaters paralleled up and
connected across whole winding also.
An amp as simple as this should not represent any kind of puzzle, but at the
moment, it does ...
Arfa
Orange name, it was actually manufactured by Trace Idiott. It is a very
straightforward amp comprising ECC83 preamp, ECC83 phase splitter, pair of
EL84 outputs and a GZ34 reccy.
The complaint is "turn it up and listen to it howl". Well, with nothing
plugged in, so that the input jack is shorting both the input, and the grid
of the second half of the first ECC83, it's as quiet as the grave. However,
as soon as you plug anything in, it gets very 'hum-y'. Now I would be the
first to admit that the workshop test lead is not of the highest low-noise
quality, neither is the test guitar an expensive one, but both have always
worked fine enough in any other of the several amps per week that I repair.
When I say that this amp becomes hum-y when you plug anything in, anyone who
repairs these things will know what I mean. I don't mean that it sounds in
any way actually faulty - as in open grounds or bad joints on the input
socket or any of the other usual culprits - it just doesn't feel 'right'.
The more you wind the gain and master up, the noisier it gets, until it
bursts into oscillation at a couple of kHz or so. You might be half inclined
to think that the noise from the speaker is rattling the valves, but none
are in the least microphonic, tap-wise, and I have tried another set. If I
terminate the input lead with a 47k R instead of a guitar pickup, it still
seems to pick up a lot of hum on the lead, but you can then get it up to
flat out on gain and master, without it actually starting to howl, which
might suggest that the guitar is mechanically picking up the hum from the
speaker and resonating, but it still howls, even with the strings damped by
a hand across them.
One thing is that the input stage is a little unusual in its design -
although not a lot. Input socket is DC coupled straight to the grid of the
first ECC83 half, via a 68k grid stopper in series. Normal enough. It has a
1M grid leak R, which is normal enough, but unusually, this is connected on
the 'hot' side of the stopper resistor, rather than on the grid side,
although in practice, this shouldn't matter. The cathode bias R is 1.5k.
Again, normal enough, but unusually, it is un-bypassed. The schematic shows
an electrolytic across it, as you would normally find, but it has no value
shown, and is just marked "o/c" presumably for "open circuit". It has a
position on the pcb, but nothing fitted. Anode load R is 100k, as normal.
Anode is AC coupled to the top of the gain control. Wiper of said control is
AC coupled to the grid of the second half of the first ECC83. No stopper. No
grid leak. 1k5 cathode R, bypassed this time with 22uF. Anode load again
100k. 3-way tone network connected between this anode and phase splitter
first-half grid. Other grid driven from tap on split cathode R. Each anode
AC coupled to a dual gang control that is the master, and then into a
totally conventional cathode biased push-pull output stage. So whole thing
pretty conventional. Except that it all seems to have too much gain for its
own good, although given the very typical values, I can't see how it can
have.
So, anyone ever had a play with one of these ? Is this behaviour 'normal'
for it - perhaps overall lousy design of the pcb layout ? Alternatively,
anyone got any other thoughts on what is going on here. Nothing
component-wise reads faulty. Every voltage is pretty much spot on to what it
says on the test points on the pcb. All four HT rails have their own R-C
decoupling network, each following on from the previous one, and none of the
rails has excessive ripple. Heater winding is 6.3v centre tapped. Outputs
hooked straight across whole winding. ECC tapped heaters paralleled up and
connected across whole winding also.
An amp as simple as this should not represent any kind of puzzle, but at the
moment, it does ...
Arfa