Old Heathkit O-11 Smokes.

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Cyber Vagrant

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I picked up an old heathkit O-11 at a garage sale for a few bucks. It
seems to work but makes a slight sizzling sound and after being on for
a few minutes emitts smoke. I think it is the caps in the power
supply. Does anybody know if these units can be rehabed?
 
Cyber Vagrant wrote:
I picked up an old heathkit O-11 at a garage sale for a few bucks. It
seems to work but makes a slight sizzling sound and after being on for
a few minutes emitts smoke. I think it is the caps in the power
supply. Does anybody know if these units can be rehabed?
Click to expand...
Well, sort-of.
One, use your nose and eyes and see if you can locate the stinky part
(do not turn it on).
Usually the electrolytics need either forming or replacement; prolly
too late to try re-forming.
It is possible the problem is in the transformer, which is special -
it has a rather high voltage winding for the CRT, as i remember.
That winding has a tendency to break down, which results in what you
discovered (but ther may be other reasons for the smoke).
If the transformer is definitely the stinky part, then it is a very
good bet that HV winding is bad.
If you took the transformer laminations off, thenyou may get a better
look to find out if that winding is the outer-most one.
If so, then one could replace it, using better materials.
Count the turns per layer for the first 2 or 3 layers, and the number
of layers for the total turns.
You can use thin mylar tape for insulation in place wher paper was
used when you re-wind.
When the transformer in my O-1 when bad, i ordered a replacement
transformer from Heath (the O-1 was a kit still being sold then).
Be advised that this project would be useful only for re-habilitation
for working antique sales or other profitable purposes.
The O-1, while better than a number of the other inexpensive kits and
scopes at that time, you can get far better (used) scopes now for a cost
less than the time involved for restoration.
 
Reforming, that's when you use a variac and warm up the unit at a
lower voltage for a while?

CV
 
The large Astron can cap seems to have leaked. It's rated at 40mfd,
20mfd, 20mfd and 50mfd at 450 ,450, 450 and 300VDC respectively. When
I turned it on, the first and only time. A green dot appeared on the
tube and the controls seemed to affect it properly. Anybody want it
for parts? Make me an offer :)
 
Cyber Vagrant wrote:
Reforming, that's when you use a variac and warm up the unit at a
lower voltage for a while?

CV
Click to expand...
Aye-Yup!
And crank up slowly.
 
In article <9f8a576b.0312130835.5f116dfb@posting.google.com>,
cybervagrant@yahoo.com mentioned...
I picked up an old heathkit O-11 at a garage sale for a few bucks. It
seems to work but makes a slight sizzling sound and after being on for
a few minutes emitts smoke. I think it is the caps in the power
supply. Does anybody know if these units can be rehabed?
Click to expand...
Some of the caps are over a thousand volts. They're filtering for the
tube's high voltage.

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In article <3FDCAF05.FD708A37@earthlink.net>, robertbaer@earthlink.net
mentioned...
Cyber Vagrant wrote:

I picked up an old heathkit O-11 at a garage sale for a few bucks. It
seems to work but makes a slight sizzling sound and after being on for
a few minutes emitts smoke. I think it is the caps in the power
supply. Does anybody know if these units can be rehabed?

Well, sort-of.
One, use your nose and eyes and see if you can locate the stinky part
(do not turn it on).
Usually the electrolytics need either forming or replacement; prolly
too late to try re-forming.
It is possible the problem is in the transformer, which is special -
it has a rather high voltage winding for the CRT, as i remember.
That winding has a tendency to break down, which results in what you
discovered (but ther may be other reasons for the smoke).
If the transformer is definitely the stinky part, then it is a very
good bet that HV winding is bad.
If you took the transformer laminations off, thenyou may get a better
look to find out if that winding is the outer-most one.
If so, then one could replace it, using better materials.
Count the turns per layer for the first 2 or 3 layers, and the number
of layers for the total turns.
You can use thin mylar tape for insulation in place wher paper was
used when you re-wind.
Click to expand...
I'd stick with paper, if the proper kind is used it would be better
for a transformer that's in hot tube equipment.

When the transformer in my O-1 when bad, i ordered a replacement
transformer from Heath (the O-1 was a kit still being sold then).
Be advised that this project would be useful only for re-habilitation
for working antique sales or other profitable purposes.
The O-1, while better than a number of the other inexpensive kits and
scopes at that time, you can get far better (used) scopes now for a cost
less than the time involved for restoration.
Click to expand...
Really. And they won't be using toobs. One thing that could be donw
is if the high V winding is the problem and the rest of the
transformer works okay, then use a tripler or more for the high V.

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Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
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"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover" wrote:
In article <3FDCAF05.FD708A37@earthlink.net>, robertbaer@earthlink.net
mentioned...
Cyber Vagrant wrote:

I picked up an old heathkit O-11 at a garage sale for a few bucks. It
seems to work but makes a slight sizzling sound and after being on for
a few minutes emitts smoke. I think it is the caps in the power
supply. Does anybody know if these units can be rehabed?

Well, sort-of.
One, use your nose and eyes and see if you can locate the stinky part
(do not turn it on).
Usually the electrolytics need either forming or replacement; prolly
too late to try re-forming.
It is possible the problem is in the transformer, which is special -
it has a rather high voltage winding for the CRT, as i remember.
That winding has a tendency to break down, which results in what you
discovered (but ther may be other reasons for the smoke).
If the transformer is definitely the stinky part, then it is a very
good bet that HV winding is bad.
If you took the transformer laminations off, thenyou may get a better
look to find out if that winding is the outer-most one.
If so, then one could replace it, using better materials.
Count the turns per layer for the first 2 or 3 layers, and the number
of layers for the total turns.
You can use thin mylar tape for insulation in place wher paper was
used when you re-wind.

I'd stick with paper, if the proper kind is used it would be better
for a transformer that's in hot tube equipment.

When the transformer in my O-1 when bad, i ordered a replacement
transformer from Heath (the O-1 was a kit still being sold then).
Be advised that this project would be useful only for re-habilitation
for working antique sales or other profitable purposes.
The O-1, while better than a number of the other inexpensive kits and
scopes at that time, you can get far better (used) scopes now for a cost
less than the time involved for restoration.

Really. And they won't be using toobs. One thing that could be donw
is if the high V winding is the problem and the rest of the
transformer works okay, then use a tripler or more for the high V.

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Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
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Click to expand...
The problem is, that there are shorted turns in the transformer -
which will mwke it overheat.
So one should *not* use it!
 
Robert Baer wrote:
The problem is, that there are shorted turns in the transformer -
which will mwke it overheat.
So one should *not* use it!
Click to expand...
I have seen a lot of these old Heath, Eico and RCA tube scopes with a
separate filament transformer added because the insulation was breaking
down in the original transformer, and people used them daily, for years.
--
9 days!


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:

The problem is, that there are shorted turns in the transformer -
which will mwke it overheat.
So one should *not* use it!

I have seen a lot of these old Heath, Eico and RCA tube scopes with a
separate filament transformer added because the insulation was breaking
down in the original transformer, and people used them daily, for years.
--
9 days!

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Click to expand...
The transformer in the Heath supplys everything, and if the CRT HV
winding goes, then it needs replacement or re-winding.
 
Robert Baer wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Robert Baer wrote:

The problem is, that there are shorted turns in the transformer -
which will mwke it overheat.
So one should *not* use it!

I have seen a lot of these old Heath, Eico and RCA tube scopes with a
separate filament transformer added because the insulation was breaking
down in the original transformer, and people used them daily, for years.
--
9 days!

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

The transformer in the Heath supplys everything, and if the CRT HV
winding goes, then it needs replacement or re-winding.
Click to expand...
Robert, i have disconnected the separate 6.3 volt winding from the
CRT and replaced it with a separate transformer and had it work quite a
few times. I've done it to Heath, Eico, RCA, and other brands. It
depends on the problems in the original transformer, but its a lot
better than trashing a scope if you don't have another to replace it
with.
--
8 days!


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Robert Baer wrote:

The problem is, that there are shorted turns in the transformer -
which will mwke it overheat.
So one should *not* use it!

I have seen a lot of these old Heath, Eico and RCA tube scopes with a
separate filament transformer added because the insulation was breaking
down in the original transformer, and people used them daily, for years.
--
9 days!

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

The transformer in the Heath supplys everything, and if the CRT HV
winding goes, then it needs replacement or re-winding.

Robert, i have disconnected the separate 6.3 volt winding from the
CRT and replaced it with a separate transformer and had it work quite a
few times. I've done it to Heath, Eico, RCA, and other brands. It
depends on the problems in the original transformer, but its a lot
better than trashing a scope if you don't have another to replace it
with.
--
8 days!

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Click to expand...
Well, like i said, there are a number of windings on the power
transformer, and all of the failures i saw and/or experienced were
related to the CRT high voltage winding.
If there was arcing in any of the HV windings, or arc-over to any
other winding, it is not safe to use the transformer without complete
repair/replacement.
Now, if (somehow) a filament winding fails open, *then* your strategy
is acceptable.
 
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