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[John Larkin]

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/businesses-find-problems-pitfalls-making-goods-overseas-64249673



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[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 15 Jul 2019 07:50:11 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
<pj4pie1589tekso48vgdvm9mig0ochq4ga@4ax.com>:

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/businesses-find-problems-pitfalls-making-goods-overseas-64249673

That is all old hat, seen articles like that years ago, this publication is probably trump inspired.
It is true in some cases, but then Apple products are made to high quality standards in China
or so they claim.

Secrets revealed, sure, but sometimes they will take things and improve on that.
I am not that happy about patent systems and maybe that is also why I am for open source software.

Japan in the past also did a lot of copying of US inventions, but significally improved on some things
and became a powerful competitor.
All the zillion dollar silly fights between Apple and Samsung.. over what a stupid box looks like...
That is not good, only good for lawyers.
Make something better, sell it, if it is better then people will buy it.
If it is better and / or cheaper I do not care _where_ it is made.
Improving on things is a way forward.
Chinese are cleaver enough, quite possible their processors will take over eventually from Intel, AMD and ARM.

Bit of industrial espionage, so what.
US got the rockets from Von Braun by bombing Germany into surrender.
trump plays a dirty game by locking up an Huawei executive.

'By any means' is a better description of the state of affairs.

Bit of climate warming and all of S America will move up north for survival, no wall can stop the trillions.
and what now is US will fall apart and become a wildernis ruled by warlords and all those cities....
like that planet of the apes movie where they find what is left of the statute of liberty in the sand on a beach..
hehe


Climate; an other glacial period will then come, and if anybody is still left
the US cities will be dug up and the ipads found, and they will wonder..
Oops getting carried away here.. better stop.

 

[Klaus Kragelund]

The article is overly focused on Far East

Hungary and Serbia are good alternatives where quality is somewhat better , and for the European it’s only a couple of hours flight away

Even Mexico is an option, but your chief Trump won’t like it

Cheers

Klaus

 

[whit3rd]

On Monday, July 15, 2019 at 9:51:44 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

US got the rockets from Von Braun by bombing Germany into surrender.
trump plays a dirty game by locking up an Huawei executive.

Maybe not; Huawei was complicit in falsifying export documentation,
set up dummy companies to bypass restrictions on Iran. Maybe
China wouldn't prosecute, but Huawei executives who go abroad
on work trips, are subject to the local laws.

If a US company cheats abroad, US law does NOT protect them at home.
Lockheed, in 1995, paid a fine of $25 million, and had an executive jailed,
for bribery in Egypt.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 15 Jul 2019 14:14:00 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd
<whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
<1e61ee1c-7888-4be1-b109-b1f8447d4f19@googlegroups.com>:

On Monday, July 15, 2019 at 9:51:44 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

US got the rockets from Von Braun by bombing Germany into surrender.
trump plays a dirty game by locking up an Huawei executive.

Maybe not; Huawei was complicit in falsifying export documentation,
set up dummy companies to bypass restrictions on Iran. Maybe
China wouldn't prosecute, but Huawei executives who go abroad
on work trips, are subject to the local laws.

If a US company cheats abroad, US law does NOT protect them at home.
Lockheed, in 1995, paid a fine of $25 million, and had an executive jailed,
for bribery in Egypt.

Much of all that is politics based, like big fines for Boeing and vice versa for Airbus,
for having' government support'
If it suits them well they will fine a bit (25 million is peanuts).

Like I said' 'Any means' Anything goes.

Now it is Iran, confiscate their money, Venezuela,
so many countries the US bullies.
And now he wants to do it to the EU,
started by leading UK away from the EU.
UK will find out trump is an ego maniac, clueless, and will give them very little negotiation room
and not much benefit in trade.
trump is extremely stupid at that, as what he does with Huawei and China will cause China to make their own 5G chips
so they no longer buy US, further increasing US deficit.
China's internal market is very likely able to sustain itself, without any US business,
The law 'if a company gets big enough ..'
No more US export to China and for example China no longer recognizing US patents
would take the game to a totally different level.
All trump in the end is, is a stupid clueless, no ethics weapon salesman.
One who seems to think the world is a reality show,.
In the mean time the nuclear arms of the rest of the world are all pointed at the US
and everybody and their cat is making some just in case they need to test.

Seems a predictable outcome.

Some humming beans will survive, maybe as mutants,
Oh, and then one will invent the 'black hole bomb' one that changes matter into a little black hole
(just a question of density) and that BH then starts sucking in the rest of our solar system,,,
There was some concern CERN was up to that, maybe they already have one, and then
due to spionage (or spinach) US has the plans, tests it, and there you are,
all living inside a dark sphere, oh wait there was a theory that we already live inside such a dark sphere
well what do you know.

Sorry.

 

[Michael Kellett]

On 16/07/2019 07:53, Jan Panteltje wrote:

started by leading UK away from the EU

On 16/07/2019 07:53, Jan Panteltje wrote:> started by leading UK away
from the EU
We didn't need leading - doing it all ourselves - and in our own way !

Jan - stay off the sauce before posting, and stick to what you know

Talking of which, re your comments a while back about // IO at speed
from Raspberry Pi, I now have a set up where I can read into a Pi4 at
16.6 M byte/s and write from it at 23.4Mbyte/s, no Kernel stuff, just
plain C code bashing registers. I've seen a lot of talk of being able to
go faster but no evidence !
It needs an FPGA with 100MHz clock at the other end.

MK


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[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 2:35:29 PM UTC+2, Michael Kellett wrote:

On 16/07/2019 07:53, Jan Panteltje wrote:
started by leading UK away from the EU


On 16/07/2019 07:53, Jan Panteltje wrote:> started by leading UK away
from the EU
We didn't need leading - doing it all ourselves - and in our own way !

If Monty Python were being written now, Brexit enthusiasm would be one of the tests for the upper-class twit of the year.

Boris Johnson would be a leading contender.

Nigel Farrage is no less of a twit, but less upper-class. He went to Dulwich College rather than Eton.

<snipped the on-topic component>

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On Monday, July 15, 2019 at 12:51:44 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> US got the rockets from Von Braun by bombing Germany into surrender.

My great uncle was a tech for Werner von Braun.

Small world, eh?

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[bitrex]

On 7/16/19 3:24 PM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:

On Monday, July 15, 2019 at 12:51:44 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
US got the rockets from Von Braun by bombing Germany into surrender.

My great uncle was a tech for Werner von Braun.

Small world, eh?

Cheers,
James Arthur

Which detention center was he in?

 

On Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:27:25 UTC+1, Jan Panteltje wrote:

As to the UK in the EU, trumps agents manipulate UK politics in a big way.
And then there is that Julian Assange story...
And the border with part of Ireland.
Was the UK ever IN the EU? Dunno, many many years ago
I discussed that with somebody in France, was asked about it,
my words were: Les Anglais, il ne veut pas.
UK never adapted the Euro, so always were a bit of an outsider.

The average Brit thinks the idea that the US has any input on brexit is just funny. Some topics the US has plenty of say on, certainly not that one.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 16 Jul 2019 12:24:42 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
<1608314b-e4f4-4e52-96a4-d6eba4c7e5ba@googlegroups.com>:

On Monday, July 15, 2019 at 12:51:44 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
US got the rockets from Von Braun by bombing Germany into surrender.

My great uncle was a tech for Werner von Braun.

Small world, eh?

Cheers,
James Arthur

I think Von Braun was a very very good experimenter,
it shows to me that ONE man who knows what he is doing can outperform all
of humanity.

Bottom up! It is the only way. he started with small home build rockets.
All the crap IT we have now running on Giggle Hertz computahs with bloat sticking out at all sides.
software designed by people who do not even know what electrickety is, most of it can be done wit ha 3$ PIC...
All the NASA budget, and no return to the moon, no Mars base.
Von Braun had a Mars plan, it was in retrospect cheaper than the shuttle.
A shuttle that never did anything for anybody, but did kill people.
When politicians dictate science, and those politicians had the nuclear propulsion NASA had working dismantled,
then it is back to the dark ages.

Maybe wars are the only way for humanity to come out of that clueless politician ruled darkness,
as in wars things that actually WORK will more and more be used.

I was reading German defense minister Von der Leyen was made head of some EU commission,
for her to be elected she had to promise to the greens to do even more to fight climate change :-(
(defense minister fighting climate oh well must be a coincidence),
OTOH she is for a strong European army, maybe we can make it to some planet before anybody else.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 16 Jul 2019 12:51:00 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote in
<8ede22b1-e25b-4537-9b88-db40d3279d03@googlegroups.com>:

On Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:27:25 UTC+1, Jan Panteltje wrote:

As to the UK in the EU, trumps agents manipulate UK politics in a big way.
And then there is that Julian Assange story...
And the border with part of Ireland.
Was the UK ever IN the EU? Dunno, many many years ago
I discussed that with somebody in France, was asked about it,
my words were: Les Anglais, il ne veut pas.
UK never adapted the Euro, so always were a bit of an outsider.

The average Brit thinks the idea that the US has any input on brexit is just funny. Some topics the US has plenty of say on,
certainly not that one.

You dream
The media, the show, the puppets, the believers.
And the puppet master.

I know, I worked in the media.

 

[Klaus Kragelund]

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 9:32:04 AM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 16 Jul 2019 12:24:42 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
1608314b-e4f4-4e52-96a4-d6eba4c7e5ba@googlegroups.com>:

On Monday, July 15, 2019 at 12:51:44 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
US got the rockets from Von Braun by bombing Germany into surrender.

My great uncle was a tech for Werner von Braun.

Small world, eh?

Cheers,
James Arthur

I think Von Braun was a very very good experimenter,
it shows to me that ONE man who knows what he is doing can outperform all
of humanity.

Von Braun was clever, and the US was nowhere without him

But he was also ruthless, killing multiple more Jewish workers producing the V1 than the V1 ever killed in itself

Bottom up! It is the only way. he started with small home build rockets.
All the crap IT we have now running on Giggle Hertz computahs with bloat sticking out at all sides.
software designed by people who do not even know what electrickety is, most of it can be done wit ha 3$ PIC...

Oh, I have encountered that so many times. Asking SW guys why on earth they need a 120MHz processor for a simple task. Often they only think in RTOS crap that wraps many times lower performance umbrellas on top of a simple real time task that by the way could be done without CPU heavy resources by intelligent use of say a comparator and timer

Cheers

Klaus

 

On Wednesday, 17 July 2019 08:32:06 UTC+1, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 16 Jul 2019 12:51:00 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
tabbypurr wrote in
8ede22b1-e25b-4537-9b88-db40d3279d03@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:27:25 UTC+1, Jan Panteltje wrote:

As to the UK in the EU, trumps agents manipulate UK politics in a big way.
And then there is that Julian Assange story...
And the border with part of Ireland.
Was the UK ever IN the EU? Dunno, many many years ago
I discussed that with somebody in France, was asked about it,
my words were: Les Anglais, il ne veut pas.
UK never adapted the Euro, so always were a bit of an outsider.

The average Brit thinks the idea that the US has any input on brexit is just funny. Some topics the US has plenty of say on,
certainly not that one.

You dream
The media, the show, the puppets, the believers.
And the puppet master.

I know, I worked in the media.

The US has so far shown near zero comprehension of the whole brexit topic. The mericans I've heard from about it too often think it comparable to the US situation with its various states, which is way off.

As for media, they have lots of sway, too much, but their sway has well & truly failed on the topic of brexit.


NT

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Wed, 17 Jul 2019 06:37:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote in
<166f014c-3ddf-4bbc-80db-08bea66943f9@googlegroups.com>:

The US has so far shown near zero comprehension of the whole brexit topic. The mericans I've heard from about it too often think
it comparable to the US situation with its various states, which is way off.

As for media, they have lots of sway, too much, but their sway has well & truly failed on the topic of brexit.


NT

The US strategy is to destabilize Europe
For that trump sends his agents to Europe and elsewhere
to stir up ultra right and create divisions.
One of many reasons US wants to destabilize Europe is to weaken the Euro
as it is about to take over as the global standard for trade,
together with the Chinese Renminbi.

When the US dollar fails then buying more US debt is a nono for other more powerful economies.

 

On Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:53:07 UTC+1, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 17 Jul 2019 06:37:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
tabbypurr wrote in
166f014c-3ddf-4bbc-80db-08bea66943f9@googlegroups.com>:

The US has so far shown near zero comprehension of the whole brexit topic. The mericans I've heard from about it too often think
it comparable to the US situation with its various states, which is way off.

As for media, they have lots of sway, too much, but their sway has well & truly failed on the topic of brexit.


NT

The US strategy is to destabilize Europe
For that trump sends his agents to Europe and elsewhere
to stir up ultra right and create divisions.
One of many reasons US wants to destabilize Europe is to weaken the Euro
as it is about to take over as the global standard for trade,
together with the Chinese Renminbi.

When the US dollar fails then buying more US debt is a nono for other more powerful economies.

The euro doesn't need destabilising, it won't survive anyway.


NT

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 8:32:21 PM UTC-4, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:53:07 UTC+1, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 17 Jul 2019 06:37:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
tabbypurr wrote in
166f014c-3ddf-4bbc-80db-08bea66943f9@googlegroups.com>:

The US has so far shown near zero comprehension of the whole brexit topic. The mericans I've heard from about it too often think
it comparable to the US situation with its various states, which is way off.

As for media, they have lots of sway, too much, but their sway has well & truly failed on the topic of brexit.


NT

The US strategy is to destabilize Europe
For that trump sends his agents to Europe and elsewhere
to stir up ultra right and create divisions.
One of many reasons US wants to destabilize Europe is to weaken the Euro
as it is about to take over as the global standard for trade,
together with the Chinese Renminbi.

When the US dollar fails then buying more US debt is a nono for other more powerful economies.

The euro doesn't need destabilising, it won't survive anyway.

In the long run neither will anything else.

--

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[bitrex]

On 7/17/19 7:00 AM, Klaus Kragelund wrote:

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 9:32:04 AM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 16 Jul 2019 12:24:42 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
1608314b-e4f4-4e52-96a4-d6eba4c7e5ba@googlegroups.com>:

On Monday, July 15, 2019 at 12:51:44 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
US got the rockets from Von Braun by bombing Germany into surrender.

My great uncle was a tech for Werner von Braun.

Small world, eh?

Cheers,
James Arthur

I think Von Braun was a very very good experimenter,
it shows to me that ONE man who knows what he is doing can outperform all
of humanity.

Von Braun was clever, and the US was nowhere without him

But he was also ruthless, killing multiple more Jewish workers producing the V1 than the V1 ever killed in itself

Bottom up! It is the only way. he started with small home build rockets.
All the crap IT we have now running on Giggle Hertz computahs with bloat sticking out at all sides.
software designed by people who do not even know what electrickety is, most of it can be done wit ha 3$ PIC...

Oh, I have encountered that so many times. Asking SW guys why on earth they need a 120MHz processor for a simple task. Often they only think in RTOS crap that wraps many times lower performance umbrellas on top of a simple real time task that by the way could be done without CPU heavy resources by intelligent use of say a comparator and timer

Cheers

Klaus

Because clock cycles are cheap, developer time is expensive, and
nowadays clients expect embedded software to be switched-up and modified
on a dime "agile development" just the same as the Android app devs do.

Yeah you can pitch some comparator/timer solution and that you're going
to roll with a waterfall-development paradigm like you're designing a
high-reliability atomic clock oscillator to exacting specifications,
carefully optimized and set-in-stone at the outset like it's 1983 the
client is just going to bail on you and go with the first dev who
mentions something about Ruby on Rails

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Wed, 17 Jul 2019 17:32:17 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote in
<cecd3962-3160-440d-854b-8b70a125d2d3@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:53:07 UTC+1, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 17 Jul 2019 06:37:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
tabbypurr wrote in
166f014c-3ddf-4bbc-80db-08bea66943f9@googlegroups.com>:

The US has so far shown near zero comprehension of the whole brexit topic. The mericans I've heard from about it too often
think
it comparable to the US situation with its various states, which is way off.

As for media, they have lots of sway, too much, but their sway has well & truly failed on the topic of brexit.


NT

The US strategy is to destabilize Europe
For that trump sends his agents to Europe and elsewhere
to stir up ultra right and create divisions.
One of many reasons US wants to destabilize Europe is to weaken the Euro
as it is about to take over as the global standard for trade,
together with the Chinese Renminbi.

When the US dollar fails then buying more US debt is a nono for other more powerful economies.

The euro doesn't need destabilising, it won't survive anyway.

Nothing lasts 4ever, but it will outlast the USD.
'merrica will be split in a Russian and Chinese part,
'merricans will have to learn Russian, Mandarin and Spanish,
The currency will be Renminbi.
English will no longer be taught in schools.
UK will sink beneath the waves due to glow ball worming,
and Europe will speak German and French.
English will be an extinct language as now is Latin.
For a while USD will be sold as cheap wallpaper for collectors.
The 'merrycans will flee from the nuculear radiation climate change heating
in bathtubs across the Atlantic to Europe and across teh Pacific to China and Japan,
asking for asylum,

Or so It Is Written in the book of (Art Of E^H Stories Of The Deep? Don't remember.
Time is but an illusion, a dimension we normally dwell in,
but only a cross field of past and future, and all is known.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Wed, 17 Jul 2019 22:15:08 -0400) it happened bitrex
<user@example.net> wrote in <NCQXE.78982$SH.62879@fx03.iad>:

On 7/17/19 7:00 AM, Klaus Kragelund wrote:
On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 9:32:04 AM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 16 Jul 2019 12:24:42 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
1608314b-e4f4-4e52-96a4-d6eba4c7e5ba@googlegroups.com>:

On Monday, July 15, 2019 at 12:51:44 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
US got the rockets from Von Braun by bombing Germany into surrender.

My great uncle was a tech for Werner von Braun.

Small world, eh?

Cheers,
James Arthur

I think Von Braun was a very very good experimenter,
it shows to me that ONE man who knows what he is doing can outperform all
of humanity.

Von Braun was clever, and the US was nowhere without him

But he was also ruthless, killing multiple more Jewish workers producing the V1 than the V1 ever killed in itself

Bottom up! It is the only way. he started with small home build rockets.
All the crap IT we have now running on Giggle Hertz computahs with bloat sticking out at all sides.
software designed by people who do not even know what electrickety is, most of it can be done wit ha 3$ PIC...

Oh, I have encountered that so many times. Asking SW guys why on earth they need a 120MHz processor for a simple task. Often
they only think in RTOS crap that wraps many times lower performance umbrellas on top of a simple real time task that by the way
could be done without CPU heavy resources by intelligent use of say a comparator and timer

Cheers

Klaus


Because clock cycles are cheap, developer time is expensive, and
nowadays clients expect embedded software to be switched-up and modified
on a dime "agile development" just the same as the Android app devs do.

Yeah you can pitch some comparator/timer solution and that you're going
to roll with a waterfall-development paradigm like you're designing a
high-reliability atomic clock oscillator to exacting specifications,
carefully optimized and set-in-stone at the outset like it's 1983 the
client is just going to bail on you and go with the first dev who
mentions something about Ruby on Rails

The cost of failed IT projects goes in the hundreds of millions.
Like for example the tax system here
and the police network.
It seems the more clueless they are the more they can ask
as it then takes forever to do anything.
Anyways dinos died at some point.

It is the same with all those big analyzer boat anchors,
with a simple DVB-T stick you can often do a lot [more].

You see Raspberry Pi getting the same or more functionality as big power hungry desktop crap.

Much of that IT stuff is so silly that a better network could be set up by some students
for a fraction of the cost in a fraction of the time.
Did not some students do that for Obamacare a few years back?
Do the whole website interface in a weekend?

Bottom up, not that company that teaches you to be a programmer in 3 weeks (was recently in the news).
I sometimes see websites (often actually) where I think those that did that worked on.
Slow as molasses.

Just like anybody saying 'teach you electronics in 3 weeks', I would stay miles away from that.

Integrated hardware will replace most of that general computing stuff.

Writing software that works first time does not need a weekly upgrade,
if you had a house build and it had to be partly taken down every few months (weeks???) to fix problems
what would you call such a builder?
But for software ? Sure, you can even get a subscription, it is the MS way now ain't it?