Of all the stupid things . . . .

Of all the stupid things . . . .
While looking at some online manuals, I downloaded a .PDF manual that's
upside down.....

What the hell am I supposed to do, stand on my head to read it?

I have the software to flip graphics, but I dont have the slightest clue
how to flip a PDF file.

Dont people check this stuff before they post it?

(No, I dont have a printer. I read everything on screen, so I have never
seen the need to waste paper or own a printer).

I guess I'll have to take this one to a print shop if I want to read it.

 

[Jon Elson]

oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

Of all the stupid things . . . .
While looking at some online manuals, I downloaded a .PDF manual that's
upside down.....

What the hell am I supposed to do, stand on my head to read it?

I have the software to flip graphics, but I dont have the slightest clue
how to flip a PDF file.

Dont people check this stuff before they post it?

(No, I dont have a printer. I read everything on screen, so I have never
seen the need to waste paper or own a printer).

I guess I'll have to take this one to a print shop if I want to read it.
I guess you can turn your monitor upside down!

Jon

 

Not to spoon feed ya, but most
recent versions of Adobe Acrobat
reader should have a rotate
function. Ctrl+R, and equivalent
command on Macs.

 

[rickman]

thekmanrocks@gmail.com wrote on 5/27/2017 9:27 PM:

Not to spoon feed ya, but most
recent versions of Adobe Acrobat
reader should have a rotate
function. Ctrl+R, and equivalent
command on Macs.

There is a reason why he likes tube equipment.

I had my oscilloscope open once to fix a problem and on a whim I decided to
swap the connections for the horizontal sweep. Don't know why, I just did.
Now I'm very used to it. If I were to want to share any photographs of
traces I would have to reverse the image for anyone else to look at... not
that it would be likely this is needed.

--

Rick C

 

[analogdial]

oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

Of all the stupid things . . . .
While looking at some online manuals, I downloaded a .PDF manual that's
upside down.....

What the hell am I supposed to do, stand on my head to read it?

Yes, that would work. The suggestion to turn your monitor upside down
is also good. If you have a mirror or two, you could flip the image
with them. Failing that, you could have your eyeballs surgically
inverted.

I have the software to flip graphics, but I dont have the slightest clue
how to flip a PDF file.

It's almost impossible on my PDF viewer. I can either drop a menu by
clicking on some stupid icon which might look something like a dog eared
piece of paper and then clicking on the words "rotate right" or "rotate
left". Why did they make it so obscure and why did they give me too
many choices? Probably programmed by damn kids who have no respect for
their elders, that's why.

Then, to add to the confusion, I can rotate images without the menu by
pressing on the Ctrl key and the right arrow key OR pressing on the Ctrl
key and the LEFT arrow key. Whew!!

Dont people check this stuff before they post it?

What else would you expect with today's failing education system and the
"everyone gets a trophy" attitude? They're just raising kids to be
selfish and idiotic.

(No, I dont have a printer. I read everything on screen, so I have never
seen the need to waste paper or own a printer).

I guess I'll have to take this one to a print shop if I want to read it.

That works, too.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 27 May 2017 20:10:55 -0400, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

Of all the stupid things . . . .
While looking at some online manuals, I downloaded a .PDF manual that's
upside down.....
What the hell am I supposed to do, stand on my head to read it?

Most PDF viewers will rotate pages. Older versions of Adobe Acrobat
Viewer will not. I use PDF-Xchange viewer and editor programs instead
of Acrobat:
<https://www.tracker-software.com/product/pdf-xchange-viewer>
How to rotate pages:
<http://help.tracker-software.com/pdfxe6/index.html?rotate-pages_ed.html>

You can also rotate documents online:
<https://www.pdfrotate.com>
Click on "Rotate Single Page Instead" and then "More" as needed.

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 27 May 2017 21:36:37 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

I use PDF-Xchange viewer and editor programs instead
of Acrobat:
https://www.tracker-software.com/product/pdf-xchange-viewer
How to rotate pages:
http://help.tracker-software.com/pdfxe6/index.html?rotate-pages_ed.html

Oops. You want Editor, not Viewer:
<https://www.tracker-software.com/product/pdf-xchange-editor>
Despite the pricing, the trial version of Editor will continue to work
after the trial period is over and retains a limited but useful subset
of the editing features (including page rotation).

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[rickman]

analogdial wrote on 5/27/2017 11:43 PM:

oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

Of all the stupid things . . . .
While looking at some online manuals, I downloaded a .PDF manual that's
upside down.....

What the hell am I supposed to do, stand on my head to read it?

Yes, that would work. The suggestion to turn your monitor upside down
is also good. If you have a mirror or two, you could flip the image
with them. Failing that, you could have your eyeballs surgically
inverted.


I have the software to flip graphics, but I dont have the slightest clue
how to flip a PDF file.

It's almost impossible on my PDF viewer. I can either drop a menu by
clicking on some stupid icon which might look something like a dog eared
piece of paper and then clicking on the words "rotate right" or "rotate
left". Why did they make it so obscure and why did they give me too
many choices? Probably programmed by damn kids who have no respect for
their elders, that's why.

Then, to add to the confusion, I can rotate images without the menu by
pressing on the Ctrl key and the right arrow key OR pressing on the Ctrl
key and the LEFT arrow key. Whew!!


Dont people check this stuff before they post it?

What else would you expect with today's failing education system and the
"everyone gets a trophy" attitude? They're just raising kids to be
selfish and idiotic.


(No, I dont have a printer. I read everything on screen, so I have never
seen the need to waste paper or own a printer).

I guess I'll have to take this one to a print shop if I want to read it.

That works, too.

I didn't think of that. But you'll have to get the person at the print shop
to make sure the copies are made upside down or it will just be the same
problem.

--

Rick C

 

[rickman]

Jeff Liebermann wrote on 5/28/2017 12:36 AM:

On Sat, 27 May 2017 20:10:55 -0400, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

Of all the stupid things . . . .
While looking at some online manuals, I downloaded a .PDF manual that's
upside down.....
What the hell am I supposed to do, stand on my head to read it?

Most PDF viewers will rotate pages. Older versions of Adobe Acrobat
Viewer will not. I use PDF-Xchange viewer and editor programs instead
of Acrobat:
https://www.tracker-software.com/product/pdf-xchange-viewer
How to rotate pages:
http://help.tracker-software.com/pdfxe6/index.html?rotate-pages_ed.html

You can also rotate documents online:
https://www.pdfrotate.com
Click on "Rotate Single Page Instead" and then "More" as needed.

I recall many years ago, before we all had computers on our desks, we had a
small room with a couple of computers for everyone to share. One of the
secretaries was learning to use a small Mac, the one they drew in cartoons.
She knew nothing of how a mouse worked and was just learning to use the
machine. She asked someone what to do when the mouse hit the side of the
computer and the cursor wasn't where you wanted it.

The guy telling the story was laughing at her. I felt bad for her. She was
a very nice person, but didn't understand the world of engineers much less
engineering. That wasn't her fault. Engineers can be very stupid when
dealing with people.

--

Rick C

 

On Sat, 27 May 2017 21:36:37 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2017 20:10:55 -0400, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

Of all the stupid things . . . .
While looking at some online manuals, I downloaded a .PDF manual that's
upside down.....
What the hell am I supposed to do, stand on my head to read it?

Most PDF viewers will rotate pages. Older versions of Adobe Acrobat
Viewer will not. I use PDF-Xchange viewer and editor programs instead
of Acrobat:
https://www.tracker-software.com/product/pdf-xchange-viewer
How to rotate pages:
http://help.tracker-software.com/pdfxe6/index.html?rotate-pages_ed.html

You can also rotate documents online:
https://www.pdfrotate.com
Click on "Rotate Single Page Instead" and then "More" as needed.

I use PDF-Xchange viewer too, and you're right, it does have a rotate
feature. I never knew that was there..... Now I do.
I quit using Adobe reader years ago. I try to avoid all Adobe software.

Thanks for the help!

 

[Rheilly Phoull]

On 5/28/17 8:10 AM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

Of all the stupid things . . . .
While looking at some online manuals, I downloaded a .PDF manual that's
upside down.....

What the hell am I supposed to do, stand on my head to read it?

I have the software to flip graphics, but I dont have the slightest clue
how to flip a PDF file.

Dont people check this stuff before they post it?

(No, I dont have a printer. I read everything on screen, so I have never
seen the need to waste paper or own a printer).

I guess I'll have to take this one to a print shop if I want to read it.

On my version (which is Acrobat not the reader) you click on the symbol
that looks like a page with the corner turned down and scroll down to
"page display tools" where is shown a couple of rotate symbols which
will do just that.

 

[analogdial]

rickman wrote:

I didn't think of that. But you'll have to get the person at the print shop
to make sure the copies are made upside down or it will just be the same
problem.

Even if the print shop screws up and the pages are printed upside down,
the OP still has another choice. He could place the pages on a small
table and move the chair from the East side (for example) to the West
side.

This would also work with a flat screen monitor. A CRT monitor
would present some difficulties but there's no stopping the determined.

 

>"I quit using Adobe reader years ago. I try to avoid all Adobe software. "

They started this shit about "make hand cursor into select cursor" which happens after a few seconds. If you forget to move the mouse before clicking to move the view it selects the whole screen, and a second click DOES not deselect.

I found the setting that disables that stupid feature in older versions. Usually I have the thing magnified so that I can see it, as a result I frequently have to move it.

At work I ended up with the newest version and could not find the setting to disable that "feature". As such, I say this. Version seven is the newest you need fro almost anything. It will bitch once in a a while about wanting to download something about a foreign character set but who wants that ? I can't read it anyway. Can you read simplified Chinese ?

I do have Adobe Audition and though its interface is not the best, it is a 128 channel audio recorder, though only two channels at a time unless you have a special soundcard. That is a very low version and it is staying that way. I use it to rip vinyl to CD.

There was an older program I used for that, Cooledit. It was only two channels but it worked for the same purpose. turns out, Adobe Audition bear quite a resemblance to Cooledit and I soon found out that once you install Audition, Cooledit no longer works. It usurps one of the DLLs and I am pretty sure it does not back it up. So now the freeware doesn't work and is not likely to either.

Oh, and I have Adobe Photoshop. The version is about 20 years old and guess what, it can stay that way. I got XP and Vista and wish I would have upgraded the Vista machine to XP when I had the chance.

I will not buy ANYTHING new, especially software.

 

[John Robertson]

On 2017/05/28 12:34 AM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2017 21:36:37 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com
wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2017 20:10:55 -0400, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

Of all the stupid things . . . .
While looking at some online manuals, I downloaded a .PDF manual that's
upside down.....
What the hell am I supposed to do, stand on my head to read it?

Most PDF viewers will rotate pages. Older versions of Adobe Acrobat
Viewer will not. I use PDF-Xchange viewer and editor programs instead
of Acrobat:
https://www.tracker-software.com/product/pdf-xchange-viewer
How to rotate pages:
http://help.tracker-software.com/pdfxe6/index.html?rotate-pages_ed.html

You can also rotate documents online:
https://www.pdfrotate.com
Click on "Rotate Single Page Instead" and then "More" as needed.

I use PDF-Xchange viewer too, and you're right, it does have a rotate
feature. I never knew that was there..... Now I do.
I quit using Adobe reader years ago. I try to avoid all Adobe software.

Thanks for the help!

See if your reader allows you to save the newly rotated image series.
Depending on how PDF-Exchange works you want to highlight ALL pages and
rotate them together. Then see if you can save the file in the new
orientation.

I use a Mac so the problem is trivial as Preview does all that with a
few simple steps: show thumbnails, select all thumbnails, rotate all
thumbnails (which are the pages), save.

John :-#)#

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[rickman]

John Robertson wrote on 5/28/2017 11:28 AM:

On 2017/05/28 12:34 AM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2017 21:36:37 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com
wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2017 20:10:55 -0400, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

Of all the stupid things . . . .
While looking at some online manuals, I downloaded a .PDF manual that's
upside down.....
What the hell am I supposed to do, stand on my head to read it?

Most PDF viewers will rotate pages. Older versions of Adobe Acrobat
Viewer will not. I use PDF-Xchange viewer and editor programs instead
of Acrobat:
https://www.tracker-software.com/product/pdf-xchange-viewer
How to rotate pages:
http://help.tracker-software.com/pdfxe6/index.html?rotate-pages_ed.html

You can also rotate documents online:
https://www.pdfrotate.com
Click on "Rotate Single Page Instead" and then "More" as needed.

I use PDF-Xchange viewer too, and you're right, it does have a rotate
feature. I never knew that was there..... Now I do.
I quit using Adobe reader years ago. I try to avoid all Adobe software.

Thanks for the help!


See if your reader allows you to save the newly rotated image series.
Depending on how PDF-Exchange works you want to highlight ALL pages and
rotate them together. Then see if you can save the file in the new orientation.

I use a Mac so the problem is trivial as Preview does all that with a few
simple steps: show thumbnails, select all thumbnails, rotate all thumbnails
(which are the pages), save.

I'm sure it depends on the program you are using, but most that allow you to
actually alter the file have separate controls for rotating the page vs.
just rotating the view. Usually rotating the view causes all pages in the
document to rotate. If you save that document it is unchanged. Rotating
the actual content is a separate control and is usually controlled
separately for each page. That is why you first select the pages you want
rotated. Not all PDF viewers have this feature as they are viewers and not
editors.

--

Rick C

 

On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:57:54 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

Lesson learned. I no longer laugh at my customers mistakes, lack of
ability, failures to learn, stupid actions, lack of technical
abilities, etc.

Damn it, I'm Laughing out loud from reading this. How could you NOT
laugh at that one.....

My first thought was that she was a blond, and this would make a good
blond joke, but normally, blonds have a sense of humor and can laugh at
things like this. So, I guess you just met a plain asshole with no
brains....

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 28 May 2017 01:21:46 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

The guy telling the story was laughing at her. I felt bad for her. She was
a very nice person, but didn't understand the world of engineers much less
engineering. That wasn't her fault. Engineers can be very stupid when
dealing with people.

Among other things, I'm in the computah repair and support business.
I've only laughed at a customer once, and it cost me the customer. I
think this was in the mid 1980's when CDROM drives had just been
introduced. I installed a 1X or 2X CDROM drive (with a CD caddy) in
her machine. I had left her office and made a stop at a local
shopping center for an ice cream fix. My pager went off and I
returned her call immediately, suspecting that I had done something
wrong. She asked me "how do I extract the CD disc"? After some
initial confusion, I determined that one of the standard procedures
were going to work. It took me about 10 minutes to figure out the
problem. She didn't understand the purpose of the CD caddy and had
inserted the CD in the only available slot. No, it wasn't into the
floppy disk drive, but into the space BETWEEN the 5.25" floppy drive
and the new CDROM drive. I couldn't resist laughing, which turned out
to be a huge mistake.

I finished my ice cream, drove back to her office, disassembled the
machine, and extracted the CDROM. I don't recall if I was still
chuckling, but I probably was. She was very quiet and looked rather
irate. The next day, I was informed by the bookkeeper that I should
send them a closing invoice, and that it would best if I would not
contact their office in the future. Oops. She apparently did not
take kindly to my laughing, which suggested that I thought she was
clueless.

Lesson learned. I no longer laugh at my customers mistakes, lack of
ability, failures to learn, stupid actions, lack of technical
abilities, etc.

More of the same:
<http://members.cruzio.com/~jeffl/nooze/support.txt>


--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

On Sun, 28 May 2017 08:28:53 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>
wrote:

See if your reader allows you to save the newly rotated image series.
Depending on how PDF-Exchange works you want to highlight ALL pages and
rotate them together. Then see if you can save the file in the new
orientation.

I rotated the entire file (all pages). I did a "SAVE AS" to retain the
original, in case it did not work properly. It worked fine. The saved
file is an identical file size and views properly.

When I rotated, it gave me the option to rotate "Current page", Selected
pages (by number), or rotate "ALL". I chose the "ALL" option.

Now I know why I like PDF-Xchange!

(By the way, I'm using their "portable version"). That's the only one
that runs on both XP and Windows 98.

 

[Mark Zacharias]

On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 11:48:11 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2017 21:36:37 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com
wrote:

I use PDF-Xchange viewer and editor programs instead
of Acrobat:
https://www.tracker-software.com/product/pdf-xchange-viewer
How to rotate pages:
http://help.tracker-software.com/pdfxe6/index.html?rotate-pages_ed.html

Oops. You want Editor, not Viewer:
https://www.tracker-software.com/product/pdf-xchange-editor
Despite the pricing, the trial version of Editor will continue to work
after the trial period is over and retains a limited but useful subset
of the editing features (including page rotation).

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Press and hold Shift, and Control, then press + or -. Each repeating press of + or - rotates by 1/4 turn.

 

>"Lesson learned. I no longer laugh at my customers mistakes, lack of
ability, failures to learn, stupid actions, lack of technical
abilities, etc."

Sometimes the laugh is worth the money. We had someone call the TV shop to ask if the people on TV could also see them. this was a long time ago.

Now the question isn't quite as funny.