Odd camera installation weight requirement...

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Don Y

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I\'m installing a PTZ camera on a ceiling. The unit weighs
a bit less than a kg.

The documentation claims:

When installing the unit in a high location, be sure
that the location and installation components (excluding
the supplied accessories) are strong enough to withstand
at least 60 kg of weight, and install the unit securely.
If the components are not strong enough, the unit may fall
and cause serious injury.

I can\'t see from where the *60* kg requirement derives.
 
On Thursday, 30 June 2022 at 23:34:02 UTC+2, Don Y wrote:
I\'m installing a PTZ camera on a ceiling. The unit weighs
a bit less than a kg.

The documentation claims:

When installing the unit in a high location, be sure
that the location and installation components (excluding
the supplied accessories) are strong enough to withstand
at least 60 kg of weight, and install the unit securely.
If the components are not strong enough, the unit may fall
and cause serious injury.

I can\'t see from where the *60* kg requirement derives.
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don\'t waste our time
contact manufacturer, seller directly with your questions
 
On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 14:33:37 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

I\'m installing a PTZ camera on a ceiling. The unit weighs
a bit less than a kg.

The documentation claims:

When installing the unit in a high location, be sure
that the location and installation components (excluding
the supplied accessories) are strong enough to withstand
at least 60 kg of weight, and install the unit securely.
If the components are not strong enough, the unit may fall
and cause serious injury.

I can\'t see from where the *60* kg requirement derives.
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That\'s in case the kids decide to swing from it.
 
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I\'m installing a PTZ camera on a ceiling. The unit weighs
a bit less than a kg.

The documentation claims:

When installing the unit in a high location, be sure
that the location and installation components (excluding
the supplied accessories) are strong enough to withstand
at least 60 kg of weight, and install the unit securely.
If the components are not strong enough, the unit may fall
and cause serious injury.

I can\'t see from where the *60* kg requirement derives.
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On 01-July-22 7:33 am, Don Y wrote:
I\'m installing a PTZ camera on a ceiling.  The unit weighs
a bit less than a kg.

The documentation claims:

   When installing the unit in a high location, be sure
   that the location and installation components (excluding
   the supplied accessories) are strong enough to withstand
   at least 60 kg of weight, and install the unit securely.
   If the components are not strong enough, the unit may fall
   and cause serious injury.

I can\'t see from where the *60* kg requirement derives.
Click to expand...

Perhaps they\'re just tired of dealing with the results of people being
incapable of judging what\'s strong enough. While excessive for this
purpose, 60kg is not difficult to achieve on most ceilings, and obviates
the use of plastic hooks, string and sticky tape.

Sylvia.
 
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I\'m installing a PTZ camera on a ceiling. The unit weighs
a bit less than a kg.

The documentation claims:

When installing the unit in a high location, be sure
that the location and installation components (excluding
the supplied accessories) are strong enough to withstand
at least 60 kg of weight, and install the unit securely.
If the components are not strong enough, the unit may fall
and cause serious injury.

I can\'t see from where the *60* kg requirement derives.
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On 6/30/2022 8:46 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 01-July-22 7:33 am, Don Y wrote:
I\'m installing a PTZ camera on a ceiling. The unit weighs
a bit less than a kg.

The documentation claims:

When installing the unit in a high location, be sure
that the location and installation components (excluding
the supplied accessories) are strong enough to withstand
at least 60 kg of weight, and install the unit securely.
If the components are not strong enough, the unit may fall
and cause serious injury.

I can\'t see from where the *60* kg requirement derives.

Perhaps they\'re just tired of dealing with the results of people being
incapable of judging what\'s strong enough. While excessive for this purpose,
60kg is not difficult to achieve on most ceilings, and obviates the use of
plastic hooks, string and sticky tape.
Click to expand...

I read that as worrying about failure of the *support*. \"As if\" the camera
presented a 60Kg load (which it clearly doesn\'t) that could cause the
supporting member to fail (or the attachment mechanism).

My packaging engineer says \"walls and ceilings are special\". I\'m
guessing fear of the installed item coming crashing down, \"unexpectedly\",
and injuring someone. But, he didn\'t elaborate -- teasing a steak dinner
out of me to \"discuss it\". (his momma dint raise no fools!)

In the time since, I\'ve noticed other ekit items that have similarly \"extreme\"
support requirements; one and two pound items requiring supports that can
handle 50 pound loads. And, recall installing some (sealed, heavy) loudspeaker
units that required a \"safety cable\" secured to a building member as extra
protection against falling from their mount (earthquakes??).

I guess that\'s why we have packaging engineers -- to be aware of all of
these issues so we don\'t have to! (but, I will take the opportunity to
discuss each of my designs with him lest there is something that might
prove difficult to address, later.)
 
On Friday, 1 July 2022 at 10:20:31 UTC+2, Don Y wrote:
On 6/30/2022 8:46 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 01-July-22 7:33 am, Don Y wrote:
I\'m installing a PTZ camera on a ceiling. The unit weighs
a bit less than a kg.

The documentation claims:

When installing the unit in a high location, be sure
that the location and installation components (excluding
the supplied accessories) are strong enough to withstand
at least 60 kg of weight, and install the unit securely.
If the components are not strong enough, the unit may fall
and cause serious injury.

I can\'t see from where the *60* kg requirement derives.

Perhaps they\'re just tired of dealing with the results of people being
incapable of judging what\'s strong enough. While excessive for this purpose,
60kg is not difficult to achieve on most ceilings, and obviates the use of
plastic hooks, string and sticky tape.
I read that as worrying about failure of the *support*. \"As if\" the camera
presented a 60Kg load (which it clearly doesn\'t) that could cause the
supporting member to fail (or the attachment mechanism).

My packaging engineer says \"walls and ceilings are special\". I\'m
guessing fear of the installed item coming crashing down, \"unexpectedly\",
and injuring someone. But, he didn\'t elaborate -- teasing a steak dinner
out of me to \"discuss it\". (his momma dint raise no fools!)

In the time since, I\'ve noticed other ekit items that have similarly \"extreme\"
support requirements; one and two pound items requiring supports that can
handle 50 pound loads. And, recall installing some (sealed, heavy) loudspeaker
units that required a \"safety cable\" secured to a building member as extra
protection against falling from their mount (earthquakes??).

I guess that\'s why we have packaging engineers -- to be aware of all of
these issues so we don\'t have to! (but, I will take the opportunity to
discuss each of my designs with him lest there is something that might
prove difficult to address, later.)
Click to expand...
don\'t spam, call manufacturer or seller directly
 
On 7/1/2022 1:20 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 6/30/2022 8:46 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 01-July-22 7:33 am, Don Y wrote:
I\'m installing a PTZ camera on a ceiling. The unit weighs
a bit less than a kg.

The documentation claims:

When installing the unit in a high location, be sure
that the location and installation components (excluding
the supplied accessories) are strong enough to withstand
at least 60 kg of weight, and install the unit securely.
If the components are not strong enough, the unit may fall
and cause serious injury.

I can\'t see from where the *60* kg requirement derives.

Perhaps they\'re just tired of dealing with the results of people being
incapable of judging what\'s strong enough. While excessive for this purpose,
60kg is not difficult to achieve on most ceilings, and obviates the use of
plastic hooks, string and sticky tape.

I read that as worrying about failure of the *support*. \"As if\" the camera
presented a 60Kg load (which it clearly doesn\'t) that could cause the
supporting member to fail (or the attachment mechanism).

My packaging engineer says \"walls and ceilings are special\". I\'m
guessing fear of the installed item coming crashing down, \"unexpectedly\",
and injuring someone. But, he didn\'t elaborate -- teasing a steak dinner
out of me to \"discuss it\". (his momma dint raise no fools!)
Click to expand...

I found this:

<https://shop.standards.ie/en-ie/standards/UL-2442-1-1070543_SAIG_UL_UL_2488371/#>

which claims:

\"Pertains to shelves, brackets, and similar devices, that provide structural
support for the mounting of audio/video equipment, information technology
equipment, and similar products, to the building structure and are intended
for indoor use only.\"

So, it would presumably apply to everything designed, here. Joe Gwinn
may have a more informed take on the matter (he\'s an amazing font of all
sorts of standards related information!)

But, I\'ll opt for the steak dinner over the $507.02 standard! :> I\'m
not /that/ curious!
 
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 13:46:42 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

On 01-July-22 7:33 am, Don Y wrote:
I\'m installing a PTZ camera on a ceiling.  The unit weighs
a bit less than a kg.

The documentation claims:

   When installing the unit in a high location, be sure
   that the location and installation components (excluding
   the supplied accessories) are strong enough to withstand
   at least 60 kg of weight, and install the unit securely.
   If the components are not strong enough, the unit may fall
   and cause serious injury.

I can\'t see from where the *60* kg requirement derives.

Perhaps they\'re just tired of dealing with the results of people being
incapable of judging what\'s strong enough. While excessive for this
purpose, 60kg is not difficult to achieve on most ceilings, and obviates
the use of plastic hooks, string and sticky tape.
Click to expand...

Yes. War story: When I was in High School in the late 1960s, we were
going to have a party or the like in the Gymnasium, which had a very
high ceiling, as is usual. I was installing a ellipsoidal spotlight
(borrowed from the auditorium lighting system) on a bit of iron pipe
lashed to the steel trusses holding the roof up. The assembly and
installation was done from a platform assembled for the purpose - no
ladders were involved.

The spotlight weighed maybe 20 pounds, and would kill someone if it
fell. So I did worry about that pipe - would those galvanized steel
ties really hold that pipe up, no fooling.

I had my well-muscled 180# assistant chin on that bar. The bar didn\'t
budge. This test also satisfied the school administration.

Joe Gwinn
 
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 13:46:42 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

On 01-July-22 7:33 am, Don Y wrote:
I\'m installing a PTZ camera on a ceiling.  The unit weighs
a bit less than a kg.

The documentation claims:

   When installing the unit in a high location, be sure
   that the location and installation components (excluding
   the supplied accessories) are strong enough to withstand
   at least 60 kg of weight, and install the unit securely.
   If the components are not strong enough, the unit may fall
   and cause serious injury.

I can\'t see from where the *60* kg requirement derives.

Perhaps they\'re just tired of dealing with the results of people being
incapable of judging what\'s strong enough. While excessive for this
purpose, 60kg is not difficult to achieve on most ceilings, and obviates
the use of plastic hooks, string and sticky tape.

Sylvia.
Click to expand...

We have a ceiling fan directly over our bed. It is NOT screwed in to
the sheetrock. A ceiling fan would make an unwelcome threesome.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
 
John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 13:46:42 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid
wrote:

On 01-July-22 7:33 am, Don Y wrote:
I\'m installing a PTZ camera on a ceiling.  The unit weighs
a bit less than a kg.

The documentation claims:

   When installing the unit in a high location, be sure
   that the location and installation components (excluding
   the supplied accessories) are strong enough to withstand
   at least 60 kg of weight, and install the unit securely.
   If the components are not strong enough, the unit may fall
   and cause serious injury.

I can\'t see from where the *60* kg requirement derives.

Perhaps they\'re just tired of dealing with the results of people being
incapable of judging what\'s strong enough. While excessive for this
purpose, 60kg is not difficult to achieve on most ceilings, and obviates
the use of plastic hooks, string and sticky tape.

Sylvia.

We have a ceiling fan directly over our bed. It is NOT screwed in to
the sheetrock. A ceiling fan would make an unwelcome threesome.

So it\'s held on by sticky tack?
Click to expand...

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Fri, 01 Jul 2022 10:54:26 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 13:46:42 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid
wrote:

On 01-July-22 7:33 am, Don Y wrote:
I\'m installing a PTZ camera on a ceiling.  The unit weighs
a bit less than a kg.

The documentation claims:

   When installing the unit in a high location, be sure
   that the location and installation components (excluding
   the supplied accessories) are strong enough to withstand
   at least 60 kg of weight, and install the unit securely.
   If the components are not strong enough, the unit may fall
   and cause serious injury.

I can\'t see from where the *60* kg requirement derives.

Perhaps they\'re just tired of dealing with the results of people being
incapable of judging what\'s strong enough. While excessive for this
purpose, 60kg is not difficult to achieve on most ceilings, and obviates
the use of plastic hooks, string and sticky tape.

Sylvia.

We have a ceiling fan directly over our bed. It is NOT screwed in to
the sheetrock. A ceiling fan would make an unwelcome threesome.
Click to expand...

Yes. The building code requires such as ceiling fans (and
chandeliers) to be attached to a stud or bridge to the nearby studs
sufficient to bear the weight. Plaster is not involved.

Joe Gwinn
 
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 15:21:34 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 13:46:42 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid
wrote:

On 01-July-22 7:33 am, Don Y wrote:
I\'m installing a PTZ camera on a ceiling.  The unit weighs
a bit less than a kg.

The documentation claims:

   When installing the unit in a high location, be sure
   that the location and installation components (excluding
   the supplied accessories) are strong enough to withstand
   at least 60 kg of weight, and install the unit securely.
   If the components are not strong enough, the unit may fall
   and cause serious injury.

I can\'t see from where the *60* kg requirement derives.

Perhaps they\'re just tired of dealing with the results of people being
incapable of judging what\'s strong enough. While excessive for this
purpose, 60kg is not difficult to achieve on most ceilings, and obviates
the use of plastic hooks, string and sticky tape.

Sylvia.

We have a ceiling fan directly over our bed. It is NOT screwed in to
the sheetrock. A ceiling fan would make an unwelcome threesome.

So it\'s held on by sticky tack?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
Click to expand...

A 2x4 that sits on nearby studs.

Nobody here has residential air conditioning. The heat is on just now.
It\'s officially 61F right now, but our neighborhood runs colder, 58
right now. A ceiling fan is great for the rare hot days that we have.

Ceiling fans are amazing. Quiet, reliable, cheap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceiling_fan



--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
 
John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 15:21:34 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 13:46:42 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid
wrote:

On 01-July-22 7:33 am, Don Y wrote:
I\'m installing a PTZ camera on a ceiling.  The unit weighs
a bit less than a kg.

The documentation claims:

   When installing the unit in a high location, be sure
   that the location and installation components (excluding
   the supplied accessories) are strong enough to withstand
   at least 60 kg of weight, and install the unit securely.
   If the components are not strong enough, the unit may fall
   and cause serious injury.

I can\'t see from where the *60* kg requirement derives.

Perhaps they\'re just tired of dealing with the results of people being
incapable of judging what\'s strong enough. While excessive for this
purpose, 60kg is not difficult to achieve on most ceilings, and obviates
the use of plastic hooks, string and sticky tape.

Sylvia.

We have a ceiling fan directly over our bed. It is NOT screwed in to
the sheetrock. A ceiling fan would make an unwelcome threesome.

So it\'s held on by sticky tack?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

A 2x4 that sits on nearby studs.

Nobody here has residential air conditioning. The heat is on just now.
It\'s officially 61F right now, but our neighborhood runs colder, 58
right now. A ceiling fan is great for the rare hot days that we have.

Ceiling fans are amazing. Quiet, reliable, cheap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceiling_fan
Click to expand...
Yeah, we put one in our bedroom a few years ago--a fancy one with a
remote, no less. Me, I like the pull chains--they don\'t get lost or get
dead batteries.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On 7/1/2022 10:15 AM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
Yes. War story: When I was in High School in the late 1960s, we were
going to have a party or the like in the Gymnasium, which had a very
high ceiling, as is usual. I was installing a ellipsoidal spotlight
(borrowed from the auditorium lighting system) on a bit of iron pipe
lashed to the steel trusses holding the roof up. The assembly and
installation was done from a platform assembled for the purpose - no
ladders were involved.

The spotlight weighed maybe 20 pounds, and would kill someone if it
fell. So I did worry about that pipe - would those galvanized steel
ties really hold that pipe up, no fooling.

I had my well-muscled 180# assistant chin on that bar. The bar didn\'t
budge. This test also satisfied the school administration.
Click to expand...

And the lamp was secured to the pipe with a safety \"chain\" in case the yoke
bolt came loose.

Of course, doesn\'t protect against some newbie loosening the side-tension knobs
too much and the lamp falling out of the yoke (hoping the electrical connection
will deter its falling).

Or, loosening the lens assembly.

Or a gel/filter slipping out of its holder.

Or...

gotta wonder what sort of person would be willing to ACT under a collection
of such luminaires!
 
On 7/1/2022 12:27 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
Yes. The building code requires such as ceiling fans (and
chandeliers) to be attached to a stud or bridge to the nearby studs
sufficient to bear the weight. Plaster is not involved.
Click to expand...

Nor can a conventional Jbox be used as the attachment -- they
have to be intended for use with the increased weight load
(which can be dynamic).

Some fans require a single point suspension (often an eye-bolt)
to accommodate the wobble that can result from imbalance, over time.

If you see cracks in the ceiling plaster adjacent to a fan,
it\'s likely that the installation was botched!
 
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 14:28:29 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
wrote:

On 7/1/2022 12:27 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
Yes. The building code requires such as ceiling fans (and
chandeliers) to be attached to a stud or bridge to the nearby studs
sufficient to bear the weight. Plaster is not involved.

Nor can a conventional Jbox be used as the attachment -- they
have to be intended for use with the increased weight load
(which can be dynamic).

Some fans require a single point suspension (often an eye-bolt)
to accommodate the wobble that can result from imbalance, over time.

If you see cracks in the ceiling plaster adjacent to a fan,
it\'s likely that the installation was botched!
Click to expand...

Yeah.

..<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceiling_fan#Safety_concerns_with_installation>

Joe Gwinn
 
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