Oceans have been absorbing the world’s extra heat. But there’s a huge payback...

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Fred Bloggs

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Not a bit futuristic, it\'s happening now, time constants finally caught up and blindsided climate scientists.

zeta = 10^21 or a billion tera\'s

Not to worry about a bit of this- the politicians will figure it out and everything will alright.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/15/oceans-have-been-absorbing-the-worlds-extra-heat-but-theres-a-huge-payback
 
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 6:53:04 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Not a bit futuristic, it\'s happening now, time constants finally caught up and blindsided climate scientists.

zeta = 10^21 or a billion tera\'s

Not to worry about a bit of this- the politicians will figure it out and everything will alright.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/15/oceans-have-been-absorbing-the-worlds-extra-heat-but-theres-a-huge-payback
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Climate porn. Getting excited about the heat stored in the oceans is nuts.

https://phys.org/news/2014-12-percent-earth.html

That water constitutes 0.02% of the earth\'s mass. The specific heat of water is fairly high so it\'s a bit more of earth\'s heat capacity, but still not all that much.

Getting excited about how warm the surfaces of the oceans have got would be more sensible - that\'s what drives our weather - but if you want to write a bit of attention getting alarmism any few silly numbers can do the trick.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Wed, 17 May 2023 13:52:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>Not a bit futuristic, it\'s happening now, time constants finally caught up and blindsided climate scientists.

Now that\'s funny. Thanks.
 
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 1:45:50 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 6:53:04 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Not a bit futuristic, it\'s happening now, time constants finally caught up and blindsided climate scientists.

zeta = 10^21 or a billion tera\'s

Not to worry about a bit of this- the politicians will figure it out and everything will alright.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/15/oceans-have-been-absorbing-the-worlds-extra-heat-but-theres-a-huge-payback
Climate porn. Getting excited about the heat stored in the oceans is nuts..

https://phys.org/news/2014-12-percent-earth.html

That water constitutes 0.02% of the earth\'s mass. The specific heat of water is fairly high so it\'s a bit more of earth\'s heat capacity, but still not all that much.

Getting excited about how warm the surfaces of the oceans have got would be more sensible - that\'s what drives our weather - but if you want to write a bit of attention getting alarmism any few silly numbers can do the trick.
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If that isn\'t an airhead remark I don\'t what is. Report from Grantham Institute has calculated that without ocean heat absorption Earth would be at 36oC temperature rise by now.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/grantham-institute/public/publications/briefing-papers/Ocean-heat-uptake---Grantham-BP-15.pdf


--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:49:50 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2023 13:52:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Not a bit futuristic, it\'s happening now, time constants finally caught up and blindsided climate scientists.
Now that\'s funny. Thanks.
Click to expand...

Mankind has no more than two generations remaining, and that last one won\'t be pretty. You can only take technology so far, and when it tries to go up against something on this scale, it loses.
 
On Thu, 18 May 2023 11:02:57 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 1:45:50?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 6:53:04?AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Not a bit futuristic, it\'s happening now, time constants finally caught up and blindsided climate scientists.

zeta = 10^21 or a billion tera\'s

Not to worry about a bit of this- the politicians will figure it out and everything will alright.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/15/oceans-have-been-absorbing-the-worlds-extra-heat-but-theres-a-huge-payback
Climate porn. Getting excited about the heat stored in the oceans is nuts.

https://phys.org/news/2014-12-percent-earth.html

That water constitutes 0.02% of the earth\'s mass. The specific heat of water is fairly high so it\'s a bit more of earth\'s heat capacity, but still not all that much.

Getting excited about how warm the surfaces of the oceans have got would be more sensible - that\'s what drives our weather - but if you want to write a bit of attention getting alarmism any few silly numbers can do the trick.

If that isn\'t an airhead remark I don\'t what is. Report from Grantham Institute has calculated that without ocean heat absorption Earth would be at 36oC temperature rise by now.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/grantham-institute/public/publications/briefing-papers/Ocean-heat-uptake---Grantham-BP-15.pdf
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Things would be a lot different without oceans.
 
On Thu, 18 May 2023 11:04:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:49:50?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2023 13:52:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Not a bit futuristic, it\'s happening now, time constants finally caught up and blindsided climate scientists.
Now that\'s funny. Thanks.

Mankind has no more than two generations remaining, and that last one won\'t be pretty. You can only take technology so far, and when it tries to go up against something on this scale, it loses.
Click to expand...

That\'s crazy. Will everyone on earth all drop dead one Tuesday
afternoon, the instant the average temp hits the lethal 1.5c rise from
the end of little ice age?

What will happen is that birth rates will decline to zero and then
negative population growth, somewhere below 10 billion, and
productivity will spread and reduce poverty.

THAT is what will blindside the experts.
 
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:14:32 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 18 May 2023 11:04:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:49:50?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2023 13:52:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Not a bit futuristic, it\'s happening now, time constants finally caught up and blindsided climate scientists.
Now that\'s funny. Thanks.

Mankind has no more than two generations remaining, and that last one won\'t be pretty. You can only take technology so far, and when it tries to go up against something on this scale, it loses.
That\'s crazy. Will everyone on earth all drop dead one Tuesday
afternoon, the instant the average temp hits the lethal 1.5c rise from
the end of little ice age?

What will happen is that birth rates will decline to zero and then
negative population growth, somewhere below 10 billion, and
productivity will spread and reduce poverty.

THAT is what will blindside the experts.
Click to expand...

People will be dying in large numbers from the excessive heat, drought, famine and pestilence.
 
On Thu, 18 May 2023 11:29:31 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:14:32?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 18 May 2023 11:04:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:49:50?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2023 13:52:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Not a bit futuristic, it\'s happening now, time constants finally caught up and blindsided climate scientists.
Now that\'s funny. Thanks.

Mankind has no more than two generations remaining, and that last one won\'t be pretty. You can only take technology so far, and when it tries to go up against something on this scale, it loses.
That\'s crazy. Will everyone on earth all drop dead one Tuesday
afternoon, the instant the average temp hits the lethal 1.5c rise from
the end of little ice age?

What will happen is that birth rates will decline to zero and then
negative population growth, somewhere below 10 billion, and
productivity will spread and reduce poverty.

THAT is what will blindside the experts.

People will be dying in large numbers from the excessive heat, drought, famine and pestilence.
Click to expand...

Keep hoping, but you\'ll probably be disappointed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/owpv49n1pg58bll/Climate_Deaths_2.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0tm8wyli83nt1v4/human-progress.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jf8rjfh93e13rre/Corn_Yield.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mebwcus72nmr16p/Leaf_Area_NASA.jpg?raw=1

Plants love warmth and CO2.
 
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 4:04:56 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:49:50 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2023 13:52:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Not a bit futuristic, it\'s happening now, time constants finally caught up and blindsided climate scientists.

Now that\'s funny. Thanks.

Mankind has no more than two generations remaining, and that last one won\'t be pretty. You can only take technology so far, and when it tries to go up against something on this scale, it loses.
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That\'s even funnier. Even if Fred\'s most alarmist nonsense were right, what he\'s predicting is a population crash, not an extinction. Before we developed agriculture, at the end of the most recent ice age, there were about five million of us. Climate change might disrupt the kind of agriculture we could use, but we won\'t lose the technology so we are unlikely to crash more deeply than that. It won\'t be fun, and places that have lots of guns (like the US) are likely to lose a great many people. Others may do better.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:10:05 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 18 May 2023 11:29:31 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:14:32?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 18 May 2023 11:04:50 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:49:50?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2023 13:52:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Not a bit futuristic, it\'s happening now, time constants finally caught up and blindsided climate scientists.
Now that\'s funny. Thanks.

Mankind has no more than two generations remaining, and that last one won\'t be pretty. You can only take technology so far, and when it tries to go up against something on this scale, it loses.

That\'s crazy. Will everyone on earth all drop dead one Tuesday afternoon, the instant the average temp hits the lethal 1.5c rise from the end of little ice age?

What will happen is that birth rates will decline to zero and then negative population growth, somewhere below 10 billion, and productivity will spread and reduce poverty.

THAT is what will blindside the experts.

People will be dying in large numbers from the excessive heat, drought, famine and pestilence.

Keep hoping, but you\'ll probably be disappointed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/owpv49n1pg58bll/Climate_Deaths_2.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0tm8wyli83nt1v4/human-progress.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jf8rjfh93e13rre/Corn_Yield.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mebwcus72nmr16p/Leaf_Area_NASA.jpg?raw=1

Plants love warmth and CO2.
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Weeds love it even more than the the plants we grow for food. John Larkin lacks the wit to realise that straight-line extrapolation isn\'t a mechanism that generates reliable prophecies. Finding randomly selected graphs that suit his point of view isn\'t exactly constructing a convincing argument.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 1:10:05 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 18 May 2023 11:29:31 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

People will be dying in large numbers from the excessive heat, drought, famine and pestilence.
Keep hoping, but you\'ll probably be disappointed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/owpv49n1pg58bll/Climate_Deaths_2.jpg?raw=1
Click to expand...

Bad data; time-of-death climate anomaly is not the only way climate change shortens lives.

> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0tm8wyli83nt1v4/human-progress.jpg?raw=1

Huh?

> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jf8rjfh93e13rre/Corn_Yield.jpg?raw=1

Yeah, corn is a standout. Beef, on the other hand, is on decline.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mebwcus72nmr16p/Leaf_Area_NASA.jpg?raw=1

Plants love warmth and CO2.
Click to expand...

Ya don\'t eat sargassum.

Weeds in their profusion... aren\'t nutritious crop plants. CO2 only is useful for
making carbohydrates, NOT proteins and other nutrients. The green color can fool ya.
Don\'t bother me with what plants want, we\'re humans.
Here\'s what I want from John Barleycorn... but the plants don\'t love it.

<https://genius.com/Jethro-tull-john-barleycorn-lyrics>
 
On Fri, 19 May 2023 02:34:03 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 1:10:05?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 18 May 2023 11:29:31 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

People will be dying in large numbers from the excessive heat, drought, famine and pestilence.
Keep hoping, but you\'ll probably be disappointed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/owpv49n1pg58bll/Climate_Deaths_2.jpg?raw=1

Bad data; time-of-death climate anomaly is not the only way climate change shortens lives.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0tm8wyli83nt1v4/human-progress.jpg?raw=1

Huh?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jf8rjfh93e13rre/Corn_Yield.jpg?raw=1

Yeah, corn is a standout. Beef, on the other hand, is on decline.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mebwcus72nmr16p/Leaf_Area_NASA.jpg?raw=1

Plants love warmth and CO2.

Ya don\'t eat sargassum.

Weeds in their profusion... aren\'t nutritious crop plants. CO2 only is useful for
making carbohydrates, NOT proteins and other nutrients.
Click to expand...

You and Fred can be as gloomy and depressed and bummed-out as you
want. I\'ll go the local farmers\' market every Saturday morning and buy
beautiful fruits and veggies and huge tasty oysters.

We BBQ the oysters. We also BBQ the beautiful purple onions and, when
we can get them, the giant dark-purple, almost black, asparagus.

https://www.savorysuitcase.com/purple-asparagus/

Seems to me that fresh produce has gotten much better in the last
decade or two, both quality and variety.

I cooked a giant pot of red beans yesterday. The Louisiana classic,
Red Beans And Rice, feeds a decent fraction of the world\'s population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney_bean

9% protein. Rice is 3%. You really should hire a kid to teach you how
to use google.

I guess that the 20% DV protein in the beans assumes that you only eat
one serving, which nobody does with mine. The bacon and andouille add
more protein.
 
On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 12:01:14 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 19 May 2023 02:34:03 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 1:10:05?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 18 May 2023 11:29:31 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

People will be dying in large numbers from the excessive heat, drought, famine and pestilence.
Keep hoping, but you\'ll probably be disappointed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/owpv49n1pg58bll/Climate_Deaths_2.jpg?raw=1

Bad data; time-of-death climate anomaly is not the only way climate change shortens lives.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0tm8wyli83nt1v4/human-progress.jpg?raw=1

Huh?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jf8rjfh93e13rre/Corn_Yield.jpg?raw=1

Yeah, corn is a standout. Beef, on the other hand, is on decline.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mebwcus72nmr16p/Leaf_Area_NASA.jpg?raw=1

Plants love warmth and CO2.

Ya don\'t eat sargassum.

Weeds in their profusion... aren\'t nutritious crop plants. CO2 only is useful for making carbohydrates, NOT proteins and other nutrients.

You and Fred can be as gloomy and depressed and bummed-out as you want.
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It\'s called being well-informed. Ignoring warnings of incipient problems us called being feckless, and that\'s precisely your attitude.

> I\'ll go the local farmers\' market every Saturday morning and buy beautiful fruits and veggies and huge tasty oysters.

Enjoy it while you can.

We BBQ the oysters. We also BBQ the beautiful purple onions and, when we can get them, the giant dark-purple, almost black, asparagus.

https://www.savorysuitcase.com/purple-asparagus/

Seems to me that fresh produce has gotten much better in the last decade or two, both quality and variety.
Click to expand...

So what?

I cooked a giant pot of red beans yesterday. The Louisiana classic, Red Beans And Rice, feeds a decent fraction of the world\'s population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney_bean

9% protein. Rice is 3%. You really should hire a kid to teach you how to use google.
Click to expand...

And John should go back to school and learn that current performances is no guarantee of future performance,

I guess that the 20% DV protein in the beans assumes that you only eat one serving, which nobody does with mine. The bacon and andouille add
more protein.
Click to expand...

As long as you can get them.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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