Obama wants my help.

[amdx]

On 10/23/2013 1:40 PM, Charlemagne wrote:

On 10/23/2013 1:39 PM, Bob F wrote:
amdx wrote:
I saw Obama on TV, he has ask that we tell others what Obamacare has
meant me.

I has meant my insurance premium has went up by 44.4% in the last
17 months. I will see the next increase in May 2014.
I checked on the price of Obamacare, the silver plan
is comparable in price, but the copay is about $2000 higher
then the $10,000 copay I have.
Note the low priced policy I had, increased to be as expensive as
Obamacare.


Obamacare will save me $356/month, as I found out by spending 40
minutes signing
up, including time spend digging out my records. Of course, I live in
a liberal
state that created its own exchange as the bill intended, not one of
the 36
conservative states that opted out and dumped their responsibility on the
federal government site.



Yeah, and we heard Obama up there making up stories yesterday too....
Nice fairy tale, but only harry and kevin believe you. We have all seen
the figures, those of us who are looking...

His story could be true. He or his family may have some medical
conditions that caused him to pay more of his fair share. With Obamacare
everyone pays the same rate. As a 55 year old with your tubes tied you
still pay for pregnancy benefits.

 

[amdx]

On 10/23/2013 1:48 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 10/23/13, 2:32 PM, amdx wrote:
On 10/23/2013 12:12 PM, amdx wrote:
I saw Obama on TV, he has ask that we tell others what Obamacare has
meant me.

I has meant my insurance premium has went up by 44.4% in the last
17 months. I will see the next increase in May 2014.
I checked on the price of Obamacare, the silver plan
is comparable in price, but the copay is about $2000 higher
then the $10,000 copay I have.
Note the low priced policy I had, increased to be as expensive as
Obamacare.
Mikek


https://www.healthcare.gov/

See the new box, lower midle right.

See Plans Now

No private information.


In my part of Maryland, a "platinum plan" for a family of five would run
about $1200 a month, without a tax credit. If that family income was
about $60,000 a year, the tax credit would drop that to around $750 a
month. This is a platinum plan, mind you, the best that is offered.

http://www.marylandhealthconnection.gov/assets/MarylandHealthConnection-Sample-Rates-Scenarios.pdf


Not all the plans that will be offered are up on the site.

Yes, that's $14,000 per year if you earn $94,000.
And what is the deductible? Should be pretty reasonable
for the Platinum plan. But I bet it's more then $2,500.
So what's the deductible?

 

[NotMe]

"amdx" <nojunk@knology.net> wrote in message
news:l495hl$jq1$1@dont-email.me...

On 10/23/2013 1:20 PM, NotMe wrote:
"amdx" <nojunk@knology.net> wrote in message
news:l4902t$fdb$1@dont-email.me...
I saw Obama on TV, he has ask that we tell others what Obamacare has
meant
me.

I has meant my insurance premium has went up by 44.4% in the last
17 months. I will see the next increase in May 2014.
I checked on the price of Obamacare, the silver plan
is comparable in price, but the copay is about $2000 higher
then the $10,000 copay I have.
Note the low priced policy I had, increased to be as expensive as
Obamacare.

Seems to me you should be shopping insurance. I have interest in a
number
of small businesses. Our cost have gone up but not nearly (by half) what
they have over the past 20+ years.




I don't believe you have a health insurance policy that increased less
than 50% in 20+ years. MY BCBS is up 44.5% in 17 months.

I had more to say but, you need to qualify and defend such a wild story.
I'm very interested in your response.

Not one policy but many via multiple small businesses. Granted we shopped
carefully to the point of getting to know the agents and the underwriters.

To be specific the increases in the previous 10 years were on the order of
10%/ year, in the past 3 were 4%. This year we received various rebates
under the 80% rule.

Some I know personally who are basically self employed or did not have
employer based insurance have likewise done better in the past two years or
so.

 

[Califbill]

"F.O.A.D." <noway@jose.com> wrote:

On 10/23/13, 2:32 PM, amdx wrote:
On 10/23/2013 12:12 PM, amdx wrote:
I saw Obama on TV, he has ask that we tell others what Obamacare has
meant me.

I has meant my insurance premium has went up by 44.4% in the last
17 months. I will see the next increase in May 2014.
I checked on the price of Obamacare, the silver plan
is comparable in price, but the copay is about $2000 higher
then the $10,000 copay I have.
Note the low priced policy I had, increased to be as expensive as
Obamacare.
Mikek


https://www.healthcare.gov/

See the new box, lower midle right.

See Plans Now

No private information.


In my part of Maryland, a "platinum plan" for a family of five would run
about $1200 a month, without a tax credit. If that family income was
about $60,000 a year, the tax credit would drop that to around $750 a
month. This is a platinum plan, mind you, the best that is offered.

http://www.marylandhealthconnection.gov/assets/MarylandHealthConnection-Sample-Rates-Scenarios.pdf

Not all the plans that will be offered are up on the site.

What is the actual plan? How much deductible? Copay?

 

[PaxPerPoten]

On 10/23/2013 1:46 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article <l494hs$dqn$1@dont-email.me>, BuckD@gmail.com says...

On 10/23/2013 1:15 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:
I saw Obama on TV, he has ask that we tell others what Obamacare has meant me.

I has meant my insurance premium has went up by 44.4% in the last
17 months. I will see the next increase in May 2014.
I checked on the price of Obamacare, the silver plan
is comparable in price, but the copay is about $2000 higher
then the $10,000 copay I have.
Note the low priced policy I had, increased to be as expensive as
Obamacare.
Mikek

Bullshit.


Not bullshit at all. If you listen to any news agency that isn't MSNBC,
you will hear story after story of this and much worse... Tens of
thousands are losing their current insurance and getting thrown into the
ACA, more are experiencing 100% of greater increase in premiums and up
to 600% in deductible.....

I know you will call names, but it won't change any of the facts....

And what about the stories of premiums being lowered? Of course, you
don't want to hear those, your jawbone will get WAY out of whack...

Your head is out to lunch, Sport! Reality certainly is not an issue in
your world.
>

 

[Charlemagne]

On 10/23/2013 10:46 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:

On 10/23/2013 12:15 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:
I saw Obama on TV, he has ask that we tell others what Obamacare has
meant me.

I has meant my insurance premium has went up by 44.4% in the last
17 months. I will see the next increase in May 2014.
I checked on the price of Obamacare, the silver plan
is comparable in price, but the copay is about $2000 higher
then the $10,000 copay I have.
Note the low priced policy I had, increased to be as expensive as
Obamacare.
Mikek

Bullshit.


That is a good description of the Marxist Obama care program. Anyone
check outy de4nytal and glasses benefits?

Ha, let me guess who cross posted this <snerk> harry is after all, the
sock puppet king of usenet.. Funny how all of a sudden these new posters
are hare backing him up, lol...

 

[PaxPerPoten]

On 10/23/2013 12:15 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:
I saw Obama on TV, he has ask that we tell others what Obamacare has meant me.

I has meant my insurance premium has went up by 44.4% in the last
17 months. I will see the next increase in May 2014.
I checked on the price of Obamacare, the silver plan
is comparable in price, but the copay is about $2000 higher
then the $10,000 copay I have.
Note the low priced policy I had, increased to be as expensive as
Obamacare.
Mikek

Bullshit.

That is a good description of the Marxist Obama care program. Anyone
check outy de4nytal and glasses benefits?
>

 

[Bob F]

Charlemagne wrote:

Obamacare will save me $356/month, as I found out by spending 40
minutes signing up, including time spend digging out my records. Of
course, I live in a liberal state that created its own exchange as
the bill intended, not one of the 36 conservative states that opted
out and dumped their responsibility on the federal government site.



Yeah, and we heard Obama up there making up stories yesterday too....
Nice fairy tale, but only harry and kevin believe you. We have all
seen the figures, those of us who are looking...

As Repubs everywhere, you know better than the person speaking that person's
exact situation. It must be nice know so well how right you always are. Moron!

My post is the plain truth.

Quit bitchin until you've actually tried signing up. If you're having problems,
move to a liberal state that actually set up a working signup site.

Republicans - first they break it, then they complain it's broken.

 

[PaxPerPoten]

On 10/23/2013 12:53 PM, Jim Whitby wrote:

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:15:00 +0000, F.O.A.D. wrote:

amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:
I saw Obama on TV, he has ask that we tell others what Obamacare has
meant me.

I has meant my insurance premium has went up by 44.4% in the last
17 months. I will see the next increase in May 2014.
I checked on the price of Obamacare, the silver plan
is comparable in price, but the copay is about $2000 higher then the
$10,000 copay I have.
Note the low priced policy I had, increased to be as expensive as
Obamacare.
Mikek

Bullshit.

Now that's an interesting and really informative comment!
I wonder how you know so much about someone's insurance. Did you write
the policy for him or steal his mail or ???.

Sounds like typical liberal stuff. Can't compete on facts, so start name
calling.

Be careful... Next you w3ill be charged with racism, Genocide and all
kinds of other epitaths. ;-p
>

 

[Martin Brown]

On 23/10/2013 19:30, amdx wrote:

On 10/23/2013 12:53 PM, Jim Whitby wrote:
On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:15:00 +0000, F.O.A.D. wrote:

amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:
I saw Obama on TV, he has ask that we tell others what Obamacare has
meant me.

I has meant my insurance premium has went up by 44.4% in the last
17 months. I will see the next increase in May 2014.
I checked on the price of Obamacare, the silver plan
is comparable in price, but the copay is about $2000 higher then the
$10,000 copay I have.
Note the low priced policy I had, increased to be as expensive as
Obamacare.
Mikek

Bullshit.

It is probably true if you have a health insurance policy that never
pays out unless you are missing several major limbs at the same time!

Now that's an interesting and really informative comment!
I wonder how you know so much about someone's insurance. Did you write
the policy for him or steal his mail or ???.

Sounds like typical liberal stuff. Can't compete on facts, so start name
calling.

You might be able to afford a ÂŁ10k hit and most professionals probably
could too, but do you not think that the poor deserve access to
healthcare or do you prefer to step over them as they die in the gutter?

America is a great place to be healthy, wealthy and fit, but lose any
one of these key components and you will surely lose *all* the others.

I was just on the Obamacare site, They have a new box that you can
click to get prices without signing up. Before you get the prices there
are seven pages with a note telling you that the price doesn't reflect
the price because you may qualify for a subsidy, 7 pages telling you
this! Then when you get the price for the plan, they don't tell you
how high your deductible is.
Why, because for most people the large deductibles are earth shaking!!!!

For years when I told people I had a $10,000 deductible they always
thought it was terrible, I thought it was the best plan. Now Obamacare
has found, they huge deductibles to keep the premiums from being
completely unworkable. And even then they need to subsidize the premiums
for most.
Mikek
We have a problem, Obamacare is not the answer.

Are Americans really so overweight, unfit and hypochondriachal that the
only way you can offer universal healthcare is to have insanely high
deductables that most working class people cannot possibly afford?

Most of the ROW manages with deductables ranging from ÂŁ100 to ÂŁ5000
depending on what you want to opt in for. European health insurance
typically gives you the option to PAYG for small items and then caps the
drugs cost for long term conditions at ÂŁ200 pa or thereabouts.

The whole purpose of a universal healthcare system is that you pay in to
have the services available and be glad if you never need them.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[iBoaterer]

In article <l4a1u7$afn$1@dont-email.me>, BuckD@gmail.com says...

On 10/23/2013 10:46 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
On 10/23/2013 12:15 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:
I saw Obama on TV, he has ask that we tell others what Obamacare has
meant me.

I has meant my insurance premium has went up by 44.4% in the last
17 months. I will see the next increase in May 2014.
I checked on the price of Obamacare, the silver plan
is comparable in price, but the copay is about $2000 higher
then the $10,000 copay I have.
Note the low priced policy I had, increased to be as expensive as
Obamacare.
Mikek

Bullshit.


That is a good description of the Marxist Obama care program. Anyone
check outy de4nytal and glasses benefits?




Ha, let me guess who cross posted this <snerk> harry is after all, the
sock puppet king of usenet.. Funny how all of a sudden these new posters
are hare backing him up, lol...

Did you read the post, idiot? It does nothing to "back up Harry".

 

[F.O.A.D.]

On 10/24/13, 7:54 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article <l4a1u7$afn$1@dont-email.me>, BuckD@gmail.com says...

On 10/23/2013 10:46 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
On 10/23/2013 12:15 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:
I saw Obama on TV, he has ask that we tell others what Obamacare has
meant me.

I has meant my insurance premium has went up by 44.4% in the last
17 months. I will see the next increase in May 2014.
I checked on the price of Obamacare, the silver plan
is comparable in price, but the copay is about $2000 higher
then the $10,000 copay I have.
Note the low priced policy I had, increased to be as expensive as
Obamacare.
Mikek

Bullshit.


That is a good description of the Marxist Obama care program. Anyone
check outy de4nytal and glasses benefits?




Ha, let me guess who cross posted this <snerk> harry is after all, the
sock puppet king of usenet.. Funny how all of a sudden these new posters
are hare backing him up, lol...

Did you read the post, idiot? It does nothing to "back up Harry".

You are taking PsychoSnotty seriously. Your bad.

 

[amdx]

On 10/23/2013 3:39 PM, NotMe wrote:

"amdx" <nojunk@knology.net> wrote in message
news:l495hl$jq1$1@dont-email.me...
On 10/23/2013 1:20 PM, NotMe wrote:
"amdx" <nojunk@knology.net> wrote in message
news:l4902t$fdb$1@dont-email.me...
I saw Obama on TV, he has ask that we tell others what Obamacare has
meant
me.

I has meant my insurance premium has went up by 44.4% in the last
17 months. I will see the next increase in May 2014.
I checked on the price of Obamacare, the silver plan
is comparable in price, but the copay is about $2000 higher
then the $10,000 copay I have.
Note the low priced policy I had, increased to be as expensive as
Obamacare.

Seems to me you should be shopping insurance. I have interest in a
number
of small businesses. Our cost have gone up but not nearly (by half) what
they have over the past 20+ years.




I don't believe you have a health insurance policy that increased less
than 50% in 20+ years. MY BCBS is up 44.5% in 17 months.

I had more to say but, you need to qualify and defend such a wild story.
I'm very interested in your response.

Not one policy but many via multiple small businesses. Granted we shopped
carefully to the point of getting to know the agents and the underwriters.

To be specific the increases in the previous 10 years were on the order of
10%/ year,

I see that as 160% increase in ten years. I think your comment was
something about 50% in 20 years?

Some I know personally who are basically self employed or did not have
employer based insurance have likewise done better in the past two years or
so.

I'm in Florida, I have shopped and found nothing cheaper.
However, even after my Obamacare increases,
I'm only paying $7,600 a year.
Mikek

 

[amdx]

On 10/24/2013 2:50 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

On 23/10/2013 19:30, amdx wrote:
On 10/23/2013 12:53 PM, Jim Whitby wrote:
On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:15:00 +0000, F.O.A.D. wrote:

amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:
I saw Obama on TV, he has ask that we tell others what Obamacare has
meant me.

I has meant my insurance premium has went up by 44.4% in the last
17 months. I will see the next increase in May 2014.
I checked on the price of Obamacare, the silver plan
is comparable in price, but the copay is about $2000 higher then the
$10,000 copay I have.
Note the low priced policy I had, increased to be as expensive as
Obamacare.
Mikek

Bullshit.

It is probably true if you have a health insurance policy that never
pays out unless you are missing several major limbs at the same time!

After I pay my $10k deductible everything is covered 100%, no copays.
Doctor services, hospitalizations, prescriptions etc, no copays.
Don't even have to loose a fingernail.
Mikek

 

[amdx]

On 10/24/2013 2:50 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

On 23/10/2013 19:30, amdx wrote:
On 10/23/2013 12:53 PM, Jim Whitby wrote:
On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:15:00 +0000, F.O.A.D. wrote:

amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:
I saw Obama on TV, he has ask that we tell others what Obamacare has
meant me.

I has meant my insurance premium has went up by 44.4% in the last
17 months. I will see the next increase in May 2014.
I checked on the price of Obamacare, the silver plan
is comparable in price, but the copay is about $2000 higher then the
$10,000 copay I have.
Note the low priced policy I had, increased to be as expensive as
Obamacare.
Mikek

Bullshit.

It is probably true if you have a health insurance policy that never
pays out unless you are missing several major limbs at the same time!

After I pay my $10k deductible everything is covered 100%, no copays.
Doctor services, hospitalizations, prescriptions etc, no copays.
Don't even have to loose a fingernail.
Mikek

 

[Charlie E.]

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:39:58 -0700, "Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com>
wrote:

amdx wrote:
I saw Obama on TV, he has ask that we tell others what Obamacare has
meant me.

I has meant my insurance premium has went up by 44.4% in the last
17 months. I will see the next increase in May 2014.
I checked on the price of Obamacare, the silver plan
is comparable in price, but the copay is about $2000 higher
then the $10,000 copay I have.
Note the low priced policy I had, increased to be as expensive as
Obamacare.


Obamacare will save me $356/month, as I found out by spending 40 minutes signing
up, including time spend digging out my records. Of course, I live in a liberal
state that created its own exchange as the bill intended, not one of the 36
conservative states that opted out and dumped their responsibility on the
federal government site.

Bob,
Just out of curiousity, is that before or after the subsidy?

Charlie

 

[Bob F]

Charlie E. wrote:

Bob,
Just out of curiousity, is that before or after the subsidy?

After.

 

[amdx]

On 10/23/2013 12:39 PM, Bob F wrote:

amdx wrote:
I saw Obama on TV, he has ask that we tell others what Obamacare has
meant me.

I has meant my insurance premium has went up by 44.4% in the last
17 months. I will see the next increase in May 2014.
I checked on the price of Obamacare, the silver plan
is comparable in price, but the copay is about $2000 higher
then the $10,000 copay I have.
Note the low priced policy I had, increased to be as expensive as
Obamacare.


Obamacare will save me $356/month, as I found out by spending 40 minutes signing
up, including time spend digging out my records. Of course, I live in a liberal
state that created its own exchange as the bill intended, not one of the 36
conservative states that opted out and dumped their responsibility on the
federal government site.

I'm really curious if your comparing apples to apples, regarding your
old and new policies.

How do the deductibles compare?
How do the copays compare?
How does the out of pocket compare?
Did you already have the things included in your premium that Obamacare
has forced on the the rest of us?
Such as, free yearly physical, free mammograms, free gynecological exam,
free colonoscopy and some others I can't quickly find.
The point, these aren't really free, the company has to charge a
higher premium to give these at no charge. That's why I wonder if you
had a high cost policy already.
Would you give me more details.
Thanks, Mikek

 

[Charlie E.]

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:59:57 -0700, "Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com>
wrote:

Charlie E. wrote:
Bob,
Just out of curiousity, is that before or after the subsidy?


After.

Ok, so your actual premium probably went up big time, but the
government is 'making up' for the difference - i.e. stealing from the
taxpayer to make you feel like you got a bargain. What was the
difference in the pre-subsidy premium!

Charlie

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:11:33 -0700, Charlie E. <edmondson@ieee.org>
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:59:57 -0700, "Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Charlie E. wrote:
Bob,
Just out of curiousity, is that before or after the subsidy?


After.


Ok, so your actual premium probably went up big time, but the
government is 'making up' for the difference - i.e. stealing from the
taxpayer to make you feel like you got a bargain. What was the
difference in the pre-subsidy premium!

BobF is a socialist. He's all in favor of stealing. As long as he's
the recipient, take it all (the government can keep some for their
trouble - doesn't matter to him).