Now It's Pepcid's Turn To Fly Off The Shelves

New York clinical trial quietly tests heartburn remedy against coronavirus

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/new-york-clinical-trial-quietly-tests-heartburn-remedy-against-coronavirus

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:52:57 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

New York clinical trial quietly tests heartburn remedy against
coronavirus

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/new-york-clinical-trial-quietly-
tests-heartburn-remedy-against-coronavirus

It could well be something simple and already available like that which
is our best hope (until a vaccine is developed) for preventing the
disease turning fatal in its later stages.

 

[Ricky C]

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 6:53:01 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:

New York clinical trial quietly tests heartburn remedy against coronavirus

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/new-york-clinical-trial-quietly-tests-heartburn-remedy-against-coronavirus

It's only quiet because Trump has ended his Corona briefings.

That won't last long.

--

Rick C.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 9:37:54 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:52:57 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

New York clinical trial quietly tests heartburn remedy against
coronavirus

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/new-york-clinical-trial-quietly-
tests-heartburn-remedy-against-coronavirus

It could well be something simple and already available like that which
is our best hope (until a vaccine is developed) for preventing the
disease turning fatal in its later stages.

But probably isn't. There's a lot of clutching at straws going on, and nowhere near enough effort being put into ramping up US lock down and contact tracing to a level where the new case per day number starts decreasing, rather than sitting close to a steady 30,000 per day.

That is an approach which has worked elsewhere. There may be some fundamental defect in US society that stops them doing it effectively, but it's most likely a deficiency in their politicians rather than the rest of the population.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 7:37:54 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:52:57 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

New York clinical trial quietly tests heartburn remedy against
coronavirus

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/new-york-clinical-trial-quietly-
tests-heartburn-remedy-against-coronavirus

It could well be something simple and already available like that which
is our best hope (until a vaccine is developed) for preventing the
disease turning fatal in its later stages.

Yes definitely! You can sip your Pepcid/Lysol cocktail while basking in the glow of your UV sun tanner...
It will be fecal transplants next. Bat guano is definitely being overlooked- you know what they say about a bit of hair of the dog that bit you.

 

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 08:05:12 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 7:37:54 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:52:57 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

New York clinical trial quietly tests heartburn remedy against
coronavirus

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/new-york-clinical-trial-quietly-
tests-heartburn-remedy-against-coronavirus

It could well be something simple and already available like that which
is our best hope (until a vaccine is developed) for preventing the
disease turning fatal in its later stages.

Yes definitely! You can sip your Pepcid/Lysol cocktail while basking in the glow of your UV sun tanner...
It will be fecal transplants next. Bat guano is definitely being overlooked- you know what they say about a bit of hair of the dog that bit you.

The chances of some drug like that being effective against a virus are
laughably low. But if we try 1000 such drugs, we might wind up with a
life saver. Lots of great drugs were discovered by accident or by
brute-force mass testing. Some day we will really understand
biochemistry, but we don't yet.

Fecal transplants do fix some serious illnesses.

Institutional contempt for unapproved concepts is a great way to miss
opportunities.

The NIH should have a branch that funds and later evaluates wild, out
of the mainstream ideas.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 12:15:27 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 08:05:12 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 7:37:54 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:52:57 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

New York clinical trial quietly tests heartburn remedy against
coronavirus

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/new-york-clinical-trial-quietly-
tests-heartburn-remedy-against-coronavirus

It could well be something simple and already available like that which
is our best hope (until a vaccine is developed) for preventing the
disease turning fatal in its later stages.

Yes definitely! You can sip your Pepcid/Lysol cocktail while basking in the glow of your UV sun tanner...
It will be fecal transplants next. Bat guano is definitely being overlooked- you know what they say about a bit of hair of the dog that bit you.

The chances of some drug like that being effective against a virus are
laughably low. But if we try 1000 such drugs, we might wind up with a
life saver. Lots of great drugs were discovered by accident or by
brute-force mass testing. Some day we will really understand
biochemistry, but we don't yet.

They do understand it enough to know it acts as a protease inhibitor during viral replication. The protease enzymes are responsible for assembling the protein capsid of the newly minted virus particles in preparation for release from the infected cell.
Then it does have the record of reducing the death rate by 50% for those impoverished Chinese, which can't be ignored.

Fecal transplants do fix some serious illnesses.

Institutional contempt for unapproved concepts is a great way to miss
opportunities.

The NIH should have a branch that funds and later evaluates wild, out
of the mainstream ideas.

I think they do have a group that researches the wild and wacky.

One of their institutes is dedicated to researching disease we don't know anything about- to give you an idea of the expanse of subject matter they cover.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[whit3rd]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 9:15:27 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

[about a heartburn remedy being tested for coronavirus aillment]

The chances of some drug like that being effective against a virus are
laughably low. But if we try 1000 such drugs...

The problem, though, of a hundred monkeys on a hundred typewriters
that will eventually produce the works of Shakespeare,
is that you can compute the time for a one-in-a-million chance of
it happening. The universe isn't old enough.

Shakespeare did it by more efficient methods.
Even if the monkeys DID do the task, who'd READ the gibberish
and pick out the good stuff?

The NIH should have a branch that funds and later evaluates wild, out
of the mainstream ideas.

No, steering marginal ideas into 'a branch' isn't good communication (and
science is a cooperative process). The various institutes of health
DO evaluate ideas, and fund researches, intelligently. Efficiently, we hope.

For efficiency, I'd recommend evaluate first, fund second. Like shopping.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:20:50 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 9:15:27 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

[about a heartburn remedy being tested for coronavirus aillment]

The chances of some drug like that being effective against a virus are
laughably low. But if we try 1000 such drugs...

The problem, though, of a hundred monkeys on a hundred typewriters
that will eventually produce the works of Shakespeare,
is that you can compute the time for a one-in-a-million chance of
it happening. The universe isn't old enough.

Yes, that's easily calculated.

Shakespeare did it by more efficient methods.
Even if the monkeys DID do the task, who'd READ the gibberish
and pick out the good stuff?

The NIH should have a branch that funds and later evaluates wild, out
of the mainstream ideas.

No, steering marginal ideas into 'a branch' isn't good communication (and
science is a cooperative process). The various institutes of health
DO evaluate ideas, and fund researches, intelligently. Efficiently, we hope.

For efficiency, I'd recommend evaluate first, fund second. Like shopping.

Read Townes' book, "How The Laser Happened." It should have been "How
The Laser Almost Didn't Happen."

You can get it for $4.






--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[Ricky C]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 1:20:55 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 9:15:27 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

[about a heartburn remedy being tested for coronavirus aillment]

The chances of some drug like that being effective against a virus are
laughably low. But if we try 1000 such drugs...

The problem, though, of a hundred monkeys on a hundred typewriters
that will eventually produce the works of Shakespeare,
is that you can compute the time for a one-in-a-million chance of
it happening. The universe isn't old enough.

Shakespeare did it by more efficient methods.
Even if the monkeys DID do the task, who'd READ the gibberish
and pick out the good stuff?

100 literary critics, of course!

The NIH should have a branch that funds and later evaluates wild, out
of the mainstream ideas.

No, steering marginal ideas into 'a branch' isn't good communication (and
science is a cooperative process). The various institutes of health
DO evaluate ideas, and fund researches, intelligently. Efficiently, we hope.

For efficiency, I'd recommend evaluate first, fund second. Like shopping.

Why are people so in love with the idea that "wild, out of the mainstream" drugs need to be investigated??? I suppose if you are of the opinion that there are no sciences that can apply rational thought to come up with new ideas... other than electronics, this would appeal to you. But we don't know anyone like that, do we?

Electronics really isn't science is it? I mean, science investigates our existence and develops new ideas and new principles to explain the world around us. Electronics uses those ideas to create better cell phones. Kinda like a tailor who only works with scraps.

--

Rick C.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 2:15:27 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 08:05:12 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 7:37:54 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:52:57 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

New York clinical trial quietly tests heartburn remedy against
coronavirus

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/new-york-clinical-trial-quietly-
tests-heartburn-remedy-against-coronavirus

It could well be something simple and already available like that which
is our best hope (until a vaccine is developed) for preventing the
disease turning fatal in its later stages.

Yes definitely! You can sip your Pepcid/Lysol cocktail while basking in the glow of your UV sun tanner...
It will be fecal transplants next. Bat guano is definitely being overlooked- you know what they say about a bit of hair of the dog that bit you.

The chances of some drug like that being effective against a virus are
laughably low. But if we try 1000 such drugs, we might wind up with a
life saver. Lots of great drugs were discovered by accident or by
brute-force mass testing.

Name one. Brute force mass testing would also kill a lot of patients.

One trial testing hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for Covid-19 got shut down when a larger proportion of the patients taking the drug died than those in the control group.

Some day we will really understand
biochemistry, but we don't yet.

John Larkin doesn't understand it all, so his opinion is worthless.

> Fecal transplants do fix some serious illnesses.

And we do understand why. Sampling the bacterial populations before and after the transplant does tel you what's been going on.

Institutional contempt for unapproved concepts is a great way to miss
opportunities.

Being incautious about hare-brained ideas is great way to kill patients.

The NIH should have a branch that funds and later evaluates wild, out
of the mainstream ideas.

Just as long as neither Trump or John Larkin gets to propose any of them. There's a distinction between innovative ideas and hare-brained idiocy that neither of them seem to be able to manage.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney