nice paper...

[server]

I still draw schematics on paper. I used d-size vellum since about the
civil war, but it\'s got expensive and hard to find. The blueprint
machine is retired and the vellum doesn\'t photograph well.

This is great:

https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Recycled-Easel-Quadrille-50-Sheet/dp/B00A3YZ1BG

It feels good and erases well and photographs well.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv766ygplmbnzhx/P944_Sh2.jpg?raw=1



--

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[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 3:04:24 PM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> I still draw schematics on paper.

And here was I thinking that he scored them into wet clay tablets, then fired them to get an archivable record.

Worked for the Babylonians.

I used d-size vellum since about the civil war, but it\'s got expensive and hard to find. The blueprint machine is retired and the vellum doesn\'t photograph well.

This is great:

https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Recycled-Easel-Quadrille-50-Sheet/dp/B00A3YZ1BG

It feels good and erases well and photographs well.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv766ygplmbnzhx/P944_Sh2.jpg?raw=1

Computer aided design on a screen works too. It\'s not that way that I worked in the 1960\'s but when we got processors that made it work well - 68000-based as it happens - in the mid-1980\'s, I found that it worked rather better.

Plugging exactly what I\'d drawn into a simulation package caught the occasional drop-off a lot more easily and cheaply than finding it after it had been turned into almost working hardware.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[amdx]

On 2/25/2022 10:04 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

I still draw schematics on paper. I used d-size vellum since about the
civil war, but it\'s got expensive and hard to find. The blueprint
machine is retired and the vellum doesn\'t photograph well.

This is great:

https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Recycled-Easel-Quadrille-50-Sheet/dp/B00A3YZ1BG

It feels good and erases well and photographs well.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv766ygplmbnzhx/P944_Sh2.jpg?raw=1



I don\'t get the dimensions.

* Dimensions: 4x10x9. 2 per carton.
* Each pad measures 27\"H x 34\"W.
*           Mikek


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[server]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:13:26 -0600, amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:

On 2/25/2022 10:04 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
I still draw schematics on paper. I used d-size vellum since about the
civil war, but it\'s got expensive and hard to find. The blueprint
machine is retired and the vellum doesn\'t photograph well.

This is great:

https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Recycled-Easel-Quadrille-50-Sheet/dp/B00A3YZ1BG

It feels good and erases well and photographs well.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv766ygplmbnzhx/P944_Sh2.jpg?raw=1



I don\'t get the dimensions.

* Dimensions: 4x10x9. 2 per carton.
* Each pad measures 27\"H x 34\"W.
*           Mikek

The sheets are 27x34 inches. Bigger than D size, but I can get used to
that.

I\'ll get used to the 1\" grid too.

I include hand-drawn diagrams, paper or whiteboard photos, in emails
and proposals to customers, and nobody seems to mind. I hate
PowerPoint cartoons.

I can do schematic design on paper 10x faster than CAD. If a library
part has to be created, that ratio could be 1000:1.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[Rich S]

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 4:23:19 PM UTC, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:13:26 -0600, amdx <am...@knology.net> wrote:

On 2/25/2022 10:04 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
I still draw schematics on paper. I used d-size vellum since about the
civil war, but it\'s got expensive and hard to find. The blueprint
machine is retired and the vellum doesn\'t photograph well.

This is great:

https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Recycled-Easel-Quadrille-50-Sheet/dp/B00A3YZ1BG

It feels good and erases well and photographs well.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv766ygplmbnzhx/P944_Sh2.jpg?raw=1



I don\'t get the dimensions.

* Dimensions: 4x10x9. 2 per carton.
* Each pad measures 27\"H x 34\"W.
* Mikek
The sheets are 27x34 inches. Bigger than D size, but I can get used to
that.

I\'ll get used to the 1\" grid too.

I include hand-drawn diagrams, paper or whiteboard photos, in emails
and proposals to customers, and nobody seems to mind. I hate
PowerPoint cartoons.

I can do schematic design on paper 10x faster than CAD. If a library
part has to be created, that ratio could be 1000:1.
--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

Just curious, have you tried one of the newer e-Ink tablets?
Though I think, not as large (yet) as D size, but that
does minimize waste & postage ;-)
= RS

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 09:09:47 -0800 (PST), Rich S
<richsulinengineer@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 4:23:19 PM UTC, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:13:26 -0600, amdx <am...@knology.net> wrote:

On 2/25/2022 10:04 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
I still draw schematics on paper. I used d-size vellum since about the
civil war, but it\'s got expensive and hard to find. The blueprint
machine is retired and the vellum doesn\'t photograph well.

This is great:

https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Recycled-Easel-Quadrille-50-Sheet/dp/B00A3YZ1BG

It feels good and erases well and photographs well.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv766ygplmbnzhx/P944_Sh2.jpg?raw=1



I don\'t get the dimensions.

* Dimensions: 4x10x9. 2 per carton.
* Each pad measures 27\"H x 34\"W.
* Mikek
The sheets are 27x34 inches. Bigger than D size, but I can get used to
that.

I\'ll get used to the 1\" grid too.

I include hand-drawn diagrams, paper or whiteboard photos, in emails
and proposals to customers, and nobody seems to mind. I hate
PowerPoint cartoons.

I can do schematic design on paper 10x faster than CAD. If a library
part has to be created, that ratio could be 1000:1.
--

I yam what I yam - Popeye


Just curious, have you tried one of the newer e-Ink tablets?
Though I think, not as large (yet) as D size, but that
does minimize waste & postage ;-)
= RS

No. I like my drafting table and my electric pencil sharpener and my
electric eraser. I draw facing a giant window with a view over the
street and some trees and birds and things. It\'s nice to get up and
move around and not sit and click a mouse all day.

The drawings will be around for decades, long after the electronic
gadgets are all dead.

But the new paper won\'t fit into the drawer on my old wooden drafting
table. Crisis. I\'m cutting the sheets down to 22x34.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[bitrex]

On 2/26/2022 1:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 09:09:47 -0800 (PST), Rich S
richsulinengineer@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 4:23:19 PM UTC, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:13:26 -0600, amdx <am...@knology.net> wrote:

On 2/25/2022 10:04 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
I still draw schematics on paper. I used d-size vellum since about the
civil war, but it\'s got expensive and hard to find. The blueprint
machine is retired and the vellum doesn\'t photograph well.

This is great:

https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Recycled-Easel-Quadrille-50-Sheet/dp/B00A3YZ1BG

It feels good and erases well and photographs well.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv766ygplmbnzhx/P944_Sh2.jpg?raw=1



I don\'t get the dimensions.

* Dimensions: 4x10x9. 2 per carton.
* Each pad measures 27\"H x 34\"W.
* Mikek
The sheets are 27x34 inches. Bigger than D size, but I can get used to
that.

I\'ll get used to the 1\" grid too.

I include hand-drawn diagrams, paper or whiteboard photos, in emails
and proposals to customers, and nobody seems to mind. I hate
PowerPoint cartoons.

I can do schematic design on paper 10x faster than CAD. If a library
part has to be created, that ratio could be 1000:1.
--

I yam what I yam - Popeye


Just curious, have you tried one of the newer e-Ink tablets?
Though I think, not as large (yet) as D size, but that
does minimize waste & postage ;-)
= RS

No. I like my drafting table and my electric pencil sharpener and my
electric eraser. I draw facing a giant window with a view over the
street and some trees and birds and things. It\'s nice to get up and
move around and not sit and click a mouse all day.

The drawings will be around for decades, long after the electronic
gadgets are all dead.

You can print them out. If they can be exported in SVG format one could
probably rig up a pen-plotter to draw them out all nice on high-quality
archival paper

 

[Rich S]

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 6:20:22 PM UTC, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 09:09:47 -0800 (PST), Rich S
richsuli...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 4:23:19 PM UTC, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:13:26 -0600, amdx <am...@knology.net> wrote:

On 2/25/2022 10:04 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
I still draw schematics on paper. I used d-size vellum since about the
civil war, but it\'s got expensive and hard to find. The blueprint
machine is retired and the vellum doesn\'t photograph well.

This is great:

https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Recycled-Easel-Quadrille-50-Sheet/dp/B00A3YZ1BG

It feels good and erases well and photographs well.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv766ygplmbnzhx/P944_Sh2.jpg?raw=1



I don\'t get the dimensions.

* Dimensions: 4x10x9. 2 per carton.
* Each pad measures 27\"H x 34\"W.
* Mikek
The sheets are 27x34 inches. Bigger than D size, but I can get used to
that.

I\'ll get used to the 1\" grid too.

I include hand-drawn diagrams, paper or whiteboard photos, in emails
and proposals to customers, and nobody seems to mind. I hate
PowerPoint cartoons.

I can do schematic design on paper 10x faster than CAD. If a library
part has to be created, that ratio could be 1000:1.
--

I yam what I yam - Popeye


Just curious, have you tried one of the newer e-Ink tablets?
Though I think, not as large (yet) as D size, but that
does minimize waste & postage ;-)
= RS
No. I like my drafting table and my electric pencil sharpener and my
electric eraser. I draw facing a giant window with a view over the
street and some trees and birds and things. It\'s nice to get up and
move around and not sit and click a mouse all day.

The drawings will be around for decades, long after the electronic
gadgets are all dead.

But the new paper won\'t fit into the drawer on my old wooden drafting
table. Crisis. I\'m cutting the sheets down to 22x34.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

I love a good old drafting table, too, but the wife, not so much
I sketch on paper but also convert schematics in electronic form
once the rough has become less rough. I guess you have a well-
paid jr engineer to convert all your gems.

True, paper is surprisingly durable. Though, in your case a decade
may not matter...
It may be difficult for your future office holder to figure out what
a HMC347 is, much less source one!

 

[server]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 14:48:02 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 2/26/2022 1:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 09:09:47 -0800 (PST), Rich S
richsulinengineer@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 4:23:19 PM UTC, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:13:26 -0600, amdx <am...@knology.net> wrote:

On 2/25/2022 10:04 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
I still draw schematics on paper. I used d-size vellum since about the
civil war, but it\'s got expensive and hard to find. The blueprint
machine is retired and the vellum doesn\'t photograph well.

This is great:

https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Recycled-Easel-Quadrille-50-Sheet/dp/B00A3YZ1BG

It feels good and erases well and photographs well.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv766ygplmbnzhx/P944_Sh2.jpg?raw=1



I don\'t get the dimensions.

* Dimensions: 4x10x9. 2 per carton.
* Each pad measures 27\"H x 34\"W.
* Mikek
The sheets are 27x34 inches. Bigger than D size, but I can get used to
that.

I\'ll get used to the 1\" grid too.

I include hand-drawn diagrams, paper or whiteboard photos, in emails
and proposals to customers, and nobody seems to mind. I hate
PowerPoint cartoons.

I can do schematic design on paper 10x faster than CAD. If a library
part has to be created, that ratio could be 1000:1.
--

I yam what I yam - Popeye


Just curious, have you tried one of the newer e-Ink tablets?
Though I think, not as large (yet) as D size, but that
does minimize waste & postage ;-)
= RS

No. I like my drafting table and my electric pencil sharpener and my
electric eraser. I draw facing a giant window with a view over the
street and some trees and birds and things. It\'s nice to get up and
move around and not sit and click a mouse all day.

The drawings will be around for decades, long after the electronic
gadgets are all dead.

You can print them out. If they can be exported in SVG format one could
probably rig up a pen-plotter to draw them out all nice on high-quality
archival paper

This paper photographs nicely with my cell phone. It\'s a Samsung,
kinda junky but it has a fabulous camera.

The final design will be CAD\'ded by someone else, which will involve
creating some new library parts. That is a pretty serious process.





--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[server]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 11:52:28 -0800 (PST), Rich S
<richsulinengineer@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 6:20:22 PM UTC, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 09:09:47 -0800 (PST), Rich S
richsuli...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 4:23:19 PM UTC, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:13:26 -0600, amdx <am...@knology.net> wrote:

On 2/25/2022 10:04 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
I still draw schematics on paper. I used d-size vellum since about the
civil war, but it\'s got expensive and hard to find. The blueprint
machine is retired and the vellum doesn\'t photograph well.

This is great:

https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Recycled-Easel-Quadrille-50-Sheet/dp/B00A3YZ1BG

It feels good and erases well and photographs well.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv766ygplmbnzhx/P944_Sh2.jpg?raw=1



I don\'t get the dimensions.

* Dimensions: 4x10x9. 2 per carton.
* Each pad measures 27\"H x 34\"W.
* Mikek
The sheets are 27x34 inches. Bigger than D size, but I can get used to
that.

I\'ll get used to the 1\" grid too.

I include hand-drawn diagrams, paper or whiteboard photos, in emails
and proposals to customers, and nobody seems to mind. I hate
PowerPoint cartoons.

I can do schematic design on paper 10x faster than CAD. If a library
part has to be created, that ratio could be 1000:1.
--

I yam what I yam - Popeye


Just curious, have you tried one of the newer e-Ink tablets?
Though I think, not as large (yet) as D size, but that
does minimize waste & postage ;-)
= RS
No. I like my drafting table and my electric pencil sharpener and my
electric eraser. I draw facing a giant window with a view over the
street and some trees and birds and things. It\'s nice to get up and
move around and not sit and click a mouse all day.

The drawings will be around for decades, long after the electronic
gadgets are all dead.

But the new paper won\'t fit into the drawer on my old wooden drafting
table. Crisis. I\'m cutting the sheets down to 22x34.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

I love a good old drafting table, too, but the wife, not so much
I sketch on paper but also convert schematics in electronic form
once the rough has become less rough. I guess you have a well-
paid jr engineer to convert all your gems.

We are right now interviwing candidates for the PCB layout position.
The other engineers CAD their own schematics, but I prefer to hand off
the paper so someone else.

True, paper is surprisingly durable. Though, in your case a decade
may not matter...

???

It may be difficult for your future office holder to figure out what
a HMC347 is, much less source one!

That applies to all parts lately.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[amdx]

On 2/26/2022 10:23 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:13:26 -0600, amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:

On 2/25/2022 10:04 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
I still draw schematics on paper. I used d-size vellum since about the
civil war, but it\'s got expensive and hard to find. The blueprint
machine is retired and the vellum doesn\'t photograph well.

This is great:

https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Recycled-Easel-Quadrille-50-Sheet/dp/B00A3YZ1BG

It feels good and erases well and photographs well.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv766ygplmbnzhx/P944_Sh2.jpg?raw=1



I don\'t get the dimensions.

* Dimensions: 4x10x9. 2 per carton.
* Each pad measures 27\"H x 34\"W.
*           Mikek
The sheets are 27x34 inches. Bigger than D size, but I can get used to
that.

I\'ll get used to the 1\" grid too.

I include hand-drawn diagrams, paper or whiteboard photos, in emails
and proposals to customers, and nobody seems to mind. I hate
PowerPoint cartoons.

I can do schematic design on paper 10x faster than CAD. If a library
part has to be created, that ratio could be 1000:1.



OK, what does \"Dimensions: 4x10x9\" mean? Probably just an error.

                                     Mikek


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[Rich S]

True, paper is surprisingly durable. Though, in your case a decade
may not matter...
???

Sorry, that was vague.
I meant everything is rapidly becoming \"digital\";
we feel the pressure--via peer or manager--to
move to the \"new\" ways.

 

[Rich S]

OK, what does \"Dimensions: 4x10x9\" mean? Probably just an error.
Mikek

Welcome to Amazon, where fact-checking is
random and the \"wisdom of the crowd\" is supposed to
make everything \"just fine\".

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 2/27/2022 19:12, Rich S wrote:

True, paper is surprisingly durable. Though, in your case a decade
may not matter...
???
Sorry, that was vague.
I meant everything is rapidly becoming \"digital\";
we feel the pressure--via peer or manager--to
move to the \"new\" ways.

I switched from designing on paper to using a (my own) graphics editor
happened around 1985. The ability to edit, move portions etc. was a
huge game changer for me.
But I was never really good at editing on paper, though I used a
\"thinking\" pencil to clear some design ideas until about 20 years ago.
Just sketching and thinking, not producing a usable schematic.
I knew a guy - an excellent design engineer, I have learned things
from him back in the 80-s - who preferred paper back then. He said he
used the time needed to erase a portion and redraw it thus freeing
some space to insert something (this was about designing entire
MPU systems with various peripheries) to think of the design.
I still happen to rethink parts of a design while routing the PCB,
probably most of us do.

 

[server]

On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:12:52 -0800 (PST), Rich S
<richsulinengineer@gmail.com> wrote:

True, paper is surprisingly durable. Though, in your case a decade
may not matter...
???
Sorry, that was vague.
I meant everything is rapidly becoming \"digital\";
we feel the pressure--via peer or manager--to
move to the \"new\" ways.

Some new things are wonderful. Some are silly.

Whiteboards and phone cameras are great, but it\'s still drawing.

Spice and PCB cad and SolidWorks are wonderful. Terabyte hard drives
and Gbit web links too. PowerPoint is net destructive.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[amdx]

On 2/27/2022 11:22 AM, Rich S wrote:

OK, what does \"Dimensions: 4x10x9\" mean? Probably just an error.
Mikek
Welcome to Amazon, where fact-checking is
random and the \"wisdom of the crowd\" is supposed to
make everything \"just fine\".

Thanks for noticing the problem!

 I though engineers were good at dimensional things

                                Mikek


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[Phil Hobbs]

Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

On 2/27/2022 19:12, Rich S wrote:
True, paper is surprisingly durable. Though, in your case a decade
may not matter...
???
Sorry, that was vague.
I meant everything is rapidly becoming \"digital\";
we feel the pressure--via peer or manager--to
move to the \"new\" ways.


I switched from designing on paper to using a (my own) graphics editor
happened around 1985. The ability to edit, move portions etc. was a
huge game changer for me.
But I was never really good at editing on paper, though I used a
\"thinking\" pencil to clear some design ideas until about 20 years ago.
Just sketching and thinking, not producing a usable schematic.
I knew a guy - an excellent design engineer, I have learned things
from him back in the 80-s - who preferred paper back then. He said he
used the time needed to erase a portion and redraw it thus freeing
some space to insert something (this was about designing entire
MPU systems with various peripheries) to think of the design.
I still happen to rethink parts of a design while routing the PCB,
probably most of us do.

B-size Clearprint fade-out vellum and Staedtler 2H leads in holders for
yours truly.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[server]

On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 20:58:56 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 2/27/2022 19:12, Rich S wrote:
True, paper is surprisingly durable. Though, in your case a decade
may not matter...
???
Sorry, that was vague.
I meant everything is rapidly becoming \"digital\";
we feel the pressure--via peer or manager--to
move to the \"new\" ways.


I switched from designing on paper to using a (my own) graphics editor
happened around 1985. The ability to edit, move portions etc. was a
huge game changer for me.
But I was never really good at editing on paper, though I used a
\"thinking\" pencil to clear some design ideas until about 20 years ago.
Just sketching and thinking, not producing a usable schematic.
I knew a guy - an excellent design engineer, I have learned things
from him back in the 80-s - who preferred paper back then. He said he
used the time needed to erase a portion and redraw it thus freeing
some space to insert something (this was about designing entire
MPU systems with various peripheries) to think of the design.
I still happen to rethink parts of a design while routing the PCB,
probably most of us do.

B-size Clearprint fade-out vellum and Staedtler 2H leads in holders for
yours truly.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

We do everything official as B size. Old printed schematics make
excellent place mats for lunch.




--

I yam what I yam - Popeye