New VCR produces noisy picture

[David Morrison]

Since my old VCR (Panasonic NV-J1) has died, I went out to buy a new
one. Thinking that they are often pretty poor quality now, I thought I
would go for a hi-fi model, and got a Panasonic NV-HV60.

When I plugged it in and tuned it, the picture on every channel (UHF and
VHF) was very noisy. Black areas were grey with spotty snow, and the
whole picture seemed to have a slight jitter (maybe the interlacing?)

By camparison, using the TV's tuner, the picture was clear and rock
solid, and blacks were black. My old VCR, if anything, was better than
the TV.

What showed up as a sharp-edged ghost on the tv, was a wide fuzzy area
using the new VCR's tuner.

Is this what I can expect from modern VCRs? Or is it likely to be faulty?

Thanks

David

 

[Phil Allison]

"David Morrison" <davidmor@excite.com> wrote in message
news:davidmor-55F3EC.23095801022004@duster.adelaide.on.net...

Since my old VCR (Panasonic NV-J1) has died, I went out to buy a new
one. Thinking that they are often pretty poor quality now, I thought I
would go for a hi-fi model, and got a Panasonic NV-HV60.

When I plugged it in and tuned it, the picture on every channel (UHF and
VHF) was very noisy. Black areas were grey with spotty snow, and the
whole picture seemed to have a slight jitter (maybe the interlacing?)

By camparison, using the TV's tuner, the picture was clear and rock
solid, and blacks were black. My old VCR, if anything, was better than
the TV.

What showed up as a sharp-edged ghost on the tv, was a wide fuzzy area
using the new VCR's tuner.

Is this what I can expect from modern VCRs? Or is it likely to be faulty?

** The latter - dickhead.




........... Phil

 

[David Morrison]

In article <401cf258$0$5862$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

"David Morrison" <davidmor@excite.com> wrote in message
news:davidmor-55F3EC.23095801022004@duster.adelaide.on.net...
Since my old VCR (Panasonic NV-J1) has died, I went out to buy a new
one. Thinking that they are often pretty poor quality now, I thought I
would go for a hi-fi model, and got a Panasonic NV-HV60.

When I plugged it in and tuned it, the picture on every channel (UHF and
VHF) was very noisy. Black areas were grey with spotty snow, and the
whole picture seemed to have a slight jitter (maybe the interlacing?)

By camparison, using the TV's tuner, the picture was clear and rock
solid, and blacks were black. My old VCR, if anything, was better than
the TV.

What showed up as a sharp-edged ghost on the tv, was a wide fuzzy area
using the new VCR's tuner.

Is this what I can expect from modern VCRs? Or is it likely to be faulty?



** The latter - dickhead.

Right, your two "helpful" posts have earned yourself an entry in my kill
file. Your audience is therefore reduced by one more person.

David

 

[Ken Taylor]

"David Morrison" <davidmor@excite.com> wrote in message
news:davidmor-55F3EC.23095801022004@duster.adelaide.on.net...

Since my old VCR (Panasonic NV-J1) has died, I went out to buy a new
one. Thinking that they are often pretty poor quality now, I thought I
would go for a hi-fi model, and got a Panasonic NV-HV60.

When I plugged it in and tuned it, the picture on every channel (UHF and
VHF) was very noisy. Black areas were grey with spotty snow, and the
whole picture seemed to have a slight jitter (maybe the interlacing?)

By camparison, using the TV's tuner, the picture was clear and rock
solid, and blacks were black. My old VCR, if anything, was better than
the TV.

What showed up as a sharp-edged ghost on the tv, was a wide fuzzy area
using the new VCR's tuner.

Is this what I can expect from modern VCRs? Or is it likely to be faulty?

Thanks

David

It's just as likely that if you search the menus there'll be a setting for
local/dx or similar - it's an attenuator setting. Go for DX so you get max
signal. There should be no trouble signal-wise, as with your old one. It's a
rare VCR that isn't more sensitive than a TV.

Ken

 

[Rod Speed]

"David Morrison" <davidmor@excite.com> wrote in message news:davidmor-55F3EC.23095801022004@duster.adelaide.on.net...

Since my old VCR (Panasonic NV-J1) has died, I went out to buy a new
one. Thinking that they are often pretty poor quality now, I thought I
would go for a hi-fi model, and got a Panasonic NV-HV60.

When I plugged it in and tuned it, the picture on every channel (UHF and
VHF) was very noisy. Black areas were grey with spotty snow, and the
whole picture seemed to have a slight jitter (maybe the interlacing?)

By camparison, using the TV's tuner, the picture was clear and rock
solid, and blacks were black. My old VCR, if anything, was better than
the TV.

What showed up as a sharp-edged ghost on the tv, was a wide fuzzy area
using the new VCR's tuner.

Is this what I can expect from modern VCRs?

Nope, dont get that on any of mine.

Or is it likely to be faulty?

Very likely.

 

[Phil Allison]

"David Morrison" <davidmor@excite.com> wrote in message news:davidmor-

** The latter - dickhead.

Right, your two "helpful" posts have earned yourself an entry in my kill
file. Your audience is therefore reduced by one more person.

** I supplied correct answers for free to your dumb questions.

You expect courtesy too ?



........... Phil

 

[Allan]

You may find that the output channel of your VCR is on top of another
channel.
If you play a tape is it clear? If not while playing unplug the ANT IN
socket to your VCR,
If the signal becomes clear then the problem if your RF output channel is on
top of another TV station, in particular is the Digital signals for several
areas are on UHF 36, which is the output Channel of most VCRs.
Allan

"David Morrison" <davidmor@excite.com> wrote in message
news:davidmor-55F3EC.23095801022004@duster.adelaide.on.net...

Since my old VCR (Panasonic NV-J1) has died, I went out to buy a new
one. Thinking that they are often pretty poor quality now, I thought I
would go for a hi-fi model, and got a Panasonic NV-HV60.

When I plugged it in and tuned it, the picture on every channel (UHF and
VHF) was very noisy. Black areas were grey with spotty snow, and the
whole picture seemed to have a slight jitter (maybe the interlacing?)

By camparison, using the TV's tuner, the picture was clear and rock
solid, and blacks were black. My old VCR, if anything, was better than
the TV.

What showed up as a sharp-edged ghost on the tv, was a wide fuzzy area
using the new VCR's tuner.

Is this what I can expect from modern VCRs? Or is it likely to be faulty?

Thanks

David

 

[KLR]

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 09:02:30 +1000, "Allan" <allanaws@hotmail.com>
wrote:

You may find that the output channel of your VCR is on top of another
channel.
If you play a tape is it clear? If not while playing unplug the ANT IN
socket to your VCR,
If the signal becomes clear then the problem if your RF output channel is on
top of another TV station, in particular is the Digital signals for several
areas are on UHF 36, which is the output Channel of most VCRs.
Allan

I had this problem too. The VCR worked fine for years on my existing
TV - but gave shit results when tried on a TEAC set that I bought
later on. After a lot of frustration - it was found that a slight
movement of the "UHF channel out" adjustment screw on the back of the
vcr (and changing the input channel on the TV of course to match this
new setting) produced a first class result

"David Morrison" <davidmor@excite.com> wrote in message
news:davidmor-55F3EC.23095801022004@duster.adelaide.on.net...
Since my old VCR (Panasonic NV-J1) has died, I went out to buy a new
one. Thinking that they are often pretty poor quality now, I thought I
would go for a hi-fi model, and got a Panasonic NV-HV60.

When I plugged it in and tuned it, the picture on every channel (UHF and
VHF) was very noisy. Black areas were grey with spotty snow, and the
whole picture seemed to have a slight jitter (maybe the interlacing?)

By camparison, using the TV's tuner, the picture was clear and rock
solid, and blacks were black. My old VCR, if anything, was better than
the TV.

What showed up as a sharp-edged ghost on the tv, was a wide fuzzy area
using the new VCR's tuner.

Is this what I can expect from modern VCRs? Or is it likely to be faulty?

Thanks

David

 

[Philip Terrill]

Your video output frequency is probably close to a local t.v station and
your picking up interference from the t.v station (this happened to me). You
can manually change the output frequency of your video, or try using the RCA
plugs instead of the coax.

cheers,

phil


"David Morrison" <davidmor@excite.com> wrote in message
news:davidmor-55F3EC.23095801022004@duster.adelaide.on.net...

Since my old VCR (Panasonic NV-J1) has died, I went out to buy a new
one. Thinking that they are often pretty poor quality now, I thought I
would go for a hi-fi model, and got a Panasonic NV-HV60.

When I plugged it in and tuned it, the picture on every channel (UHF and
VHF) was very noisy. Black areas were grey with spotty snow, and the
whole picture seemed to have a slight jitter (maybe the interlacing?)

By camparison, using the TV's tuner, the picture was clear and rock
solid, and blacks were black. My old VCR, if anything, was better than
the TV.

What showed up as a sharp-edged ghost on the tv, was a wide fuzzy area
using the new VCR's tuner.

Is this what I can expect from modern VCRs? Or is it likely to be faulty?

Thanks

David

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 23:09:58 +1100, David Morrison
<davidmor@excite.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

Since my old VCR (Panasonic NV-J1) has died, I went out to buy a new
one. Thinking that they are often pretty poor quality now, I thought I
would go for a hi-fi model, and got a Panasonic NV-HV60.

When I plugged it in and tuned it, the picture on every channel (UHF and
VHF) was very noisy. Black areas were grey with spotty snow, and the
whole picture seemed to have a slight jitter (maybe the interlacing?)

By camparison, using the TV's tuner, the picture was clear and rock
solid, and blacks were black. My old VCR, if anything, was better than
the TV.

What showed up as a sharp-edged ghost on the tv, was a wide fuzzy area
using the new VCR's tuner.

Is this what I can expect from modern VCRs? Or is it likely to be faulty?

Thanks

David

See http://www.dba.org.au/index.asp?sectionID=24


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.

 

[David Morrison]

You may find that the output channel of your VCR is on top of another
channel.
If you play a tape is it clear? If not while playing unplug the ANT IN
socket to your VCR,
If the signal becomes clear then the problem if your RF output channel is on
top of another TV station, in particular is the Digital signals for several
areas are on UHF 36, which is the output Channel of most VCRs.
Allan

Thanks for your help.

I have now discovered that the picture from the VCR is perfectly clear
if the antenna is not plugged in. (The tuning screen is a good test,
since it is generated by the VCR. It does not depend on the quality of
any of my tapes.)

So it seems as though something coming in on the antenna lead is
disrupting the VCR signal. However, that same "something" does not upset
the tuner in the TV itself.

Could this possibly be interference from digital broadcasts?

According to the ABA web site, there should only be interference if the
VCR's output channel is the same as a channel used for digital
broadcasting here, ie, 37, 38, 36, 53, 51, 29 or 35.

I have tried every channel from 28 to 69 and the interference is still
there. It is slightly less noticeable at channel 69 than it is for 40.

So is this likely to be digital TV interference? Or is there something
wrong with the VCR that it has interference on all channels?

If it is digital TV, the solution is supposed to be to use the AV
sockets on the TV to connect to the VCR. Unfortunately my TV does not
have any AV inputs...

David

 

[Rod Speed]

"David Morrison" <davidmor@excite.com> wrote in message news:davidmor-E30B22.23113102022004@duster.adelaide.on.net...

You may find that the output channel of your VCR is on top of another
channel.
If you play a tape is it clear? If not while playing unplug the ANT IN
socket to your VCR,
If the signal becomes clear then the problem if your RF output channel is on
top of another TV station, in particular is the Digital signals for several
areas are on UHF 36, which is the output Channel of most VCRs.
Allan

Thanks for your help.

I have now discovered that the picture from the VCR is perfectly clear
if the antenna is not plugged in. (The tuning screen is a good test,
since it is generated by the VCR. It does not depend on the quality of
any of my tapes.)

So it seems as though something coming in on the antenna lead is
disrupting the VCR signal. However, that same "something" does not upset
the tuner in the TV itself.

Could this possibly be interference from digital broadcasts?

Yes, or even just a very strong analog signal
on one channel thats overloading the frontend.

The frontend in that VCR is just a worse design than the TV.

According to the ABA web site, there should only be interference
if the VCR's output channel is the same as a channel used for
digital broadcasting here, ie, 37, 38, 36, 53, 51, 29 or 35.

Yeah, its rather more likely to be a very strong analog channel.

I have tried every channel from 28 to 69 and the interference is still
there. It is slightly less noticeable at channel 69 than it is for 40.

So is this likely to be digital TV interference?

Its more likely to be a very strong analog channel overloading
the frontend. What's the story on the TV antenna ? Is it a
simple external antenna or does it have a masthead amp etc ?

Or is there something wrong with the VCR
that it has interference on all channels?

Likely. It could be a fault or just not very well designed.
The obvious way to distinguish between those two
possibilitys is to try another identical model there.

If it is digital TV, the solution is supposed to be to
use the AV sockets on the TV to connect to the VCR.
Unfortunately my TV does not have any AV inputs...

Yeah, I'd return it to where you bought it and get another copy.
If that behaves the same way, get a different model or a full refund.

 

[Ken Taylor]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bvmapl$udbi3$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de...

"David Morrison" <davidmor@excite.com> wrote in message
news:davidmor-E30B22.23113102022004@duster.adelaide.on.net...
You may find that the output channel of your VCR is on top of another
channel.
If you play a tape is it clear? If not while playing unplug the ANT IN
socket to your VCR,
If the signal becomes clear then the problem if your RF output channel
is on
top of another TV station, in particular is the Digital signals for
several
areas are on UHF 36, which is the output Channel of most VCRs.
Allan

Thanks for your help.

I have now discovered that the picture from the VCR is perfectly clear
if the antenna is not plugged in. (The tuning screen is a good test,
since it is generated by the VCR. It does not depend on the quality of
any of my tapes.)

So it seems as though something coming in on the antenna lead is
disrupting the VCR signal. However, that same "something" does not upset
the tuner in the TV itself.

Could this possibly be interference from digital broadcasts?

Yes, or even just a very strong analog signal
on one channel thats overloading the frontend.

The frontend in that VCR is just a worse design than the TV.

According to the ABA web site, there should only be interference
if the VCR's output channel is the same as a channel used for
digital broadcasting here, ie, 37, 38, 36, 53, 51, 29 or 35.

Yeah, its rather more likely to be a very strong analog channel.

I have tried every channel from 28 to 69 and the interference is still
there. It is slightly less noticeable at channel 69 than it is for 40.

So is this likely to be digital TV interference?

Its more likely to be a very strong analog channel overloading
the frontend. What's the story on the TV antenna ? Is it a
simple external antenna or does it have a masthead amp etc ?

Or is there something wrong with the VCR
that it has interference on all channels?

Likely. It could be a fault or just not very well designed.
The obvious way to distinguish between those two
possibilitys is to try another identical model there.

If it is digital TV, the solution is supposed to be to
use the AV sockets on the TV to connect to the VCR.
Unfortunately my TV does not have any AV inputs...

Yeah, I'd return it to where you bought it and get another copy.
If that behaves the same way, get a different model or a full refund.

What about if you use the AV output tot he TV?

Ken

 

[Rod Speed]

"Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message news:bvmbig$u2r98$1@ID-76636.news.uni-berlin.de...

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bvmapl$udbi3$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de...

"David Morrison" <davidmor@excite.com> wrote in message
news:davidmor-E30B22.23113102022004@duster.adelaide.on.net...
You may find that the output channel of your VCR is on top of another
channel.
If you play a tape is it clear? If not while playing unplug the ANT IN
socket to your VCR,
If the signal becomes clear then the problem if your RF output channel
is on
top of another TV station, in particular is the Digital signals for
several
areas are on UHF 36, which is the output Channel of most VCRs.
Allan

Thanks for your help.

I have now discovered that the picture from the VCR is perfectly clear
if the antenna is not plugged in. (The tuning screen is a good test,
since it is generated by the VCR. It does not depend on the quality of
any of my tapes.)

So it seems as though something coming in on the antenna lead is
disrupting the VCR signal. However, that same "something" does not upset
the tuner in the TV itself.

Could this possibly be interference from digital broadcasts?

Yes, or even just a very strong analog signal
on one channel thats overloading the frontend.

The frontend in that VCR is just a worse design than the TV.

According to the ABA web site, there should only be interference
if the VCR's output channel is the same as a channel used for
digital broadcasting here, ie, 37, 38, 36, 53, 51, 29 or 35.

Yeah, its rather more likely to be a very strong analog channel.

I have tried every channel from 28 to 69 and the interference is still
there. It is slightly less noticeable at channel 69 than it is for 40.

So is this likely to be digital TV interference?

Its more likely to be a very strong analog channel overloading
the frontend. What's the story on the TV antenna ? Is it a
simple external antenna or does it have a masthead amp etc ?

Or is there something wrong with the VCR
that it has interference on all channels?

Likely. It could be a fault or just not very well designed.
The obvious way to distinguish between those two
possibilitys is to try another identical model there.

If it is digital TV, the solution is supposed to be to
use the AV sockets on the TV to connect to the VCR.
Unfortunately my TV does not have any AV inputs...

Yeah, I'd return it to where you bought it and get another copy.
If that behaves the same way, get a different model or a full refund.


What about if you use the AV output tot he TV?

He just said the TV doesnt have any, silly |-)

 

[Ken Taylor]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bvmmpf$tsgds$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de...

"Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"David Morrison" <davidmor@excite.com> wrote in message
news:davidmor-E30B22.23113102022004@duster.adelaide.on.net...
You may find that the output channel of your VCR is on top of
another
channel.
If you play a tape is it clear? If not while playing unplug the
ANT IN
socket to your VCR,
If the signal becomes clear then the problem if your RF output
channel
is on
top of another TV station, in particular is the Digital signals
for
several
areas are on UHF 36, which is the output Channel of most VCRs.
Allan

Thanks for your help.

I have now discovered that the picture from the VCR is perfectly
clear
if the antenna is not plugged in. (The tuning screen is a good test,
since it is generated by the VCR. It does not depend on the quality
of
any of my tapes.)

So it seems as though something coming in on the antenna lead is
disrupting the VCR signal. However, that same "something" does not
upset
the tuner in the TV itself.

Could this possibly be interference from digital broadcasts?

Yes, or even just a very strong analog signal
on one channel thats overloading the frontend.

The frontend in that VCR is just a worse design than the TV.

According to the ABA web site, there should only be interference
if the VCR's output channel is the same as a channel used for
digital broadcasting here, ie, 37, 38, 36, 53, 51, 29 or 35.

Yeah, its rather more likely to be a very strong analog channel.

I have tried every channel from 28 to 69 and the interference is
still
there. It is slightly less noticeable at channel 69 than it is for
40.

So is this likely to be digital TV interference?

Its more likely to be a very strong analog channel overloading
the frontend. What's the story on the TV antenna ? Is it a
simple external antenna or does it have a masthead amp etc ?

Or is there something wrong with the VCR
that it has interference on all channels?

Likely. It could be a fault or just not very well designed.
The obvious way to distinguish between those two
possibilitys is to try another identical model there.

If it is digital TV, the solution is supposed to be to
use the AV sockets on the TV to connect to the VCR.
Unfortunately my TV does not have any AV inputs...

Yeah, I'd return it to where you bought it and get another copy.
If that behaves the same way, get a different model or a full refund.


What about if you use the AV output tot he TV?

He just said the TV doesnt have any, silly |-)

How the hell did I miss that?? I wondered why nobody bothered to suggest it.

Still, it'd be a useful test if he can try it on a TV that does. (salvages a
little pride and slinks off.......)

Ken

 

[Rod Speed]

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"Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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"David Morrison" <davidmor@excite.com> wrote in message
news:davidmor-E30B22.23113102022004@duster.adelaide.on.net...
You may find that the output channel of your VCR is on top of
another
channel.
If you play a tape is it clear? If not while playing unplug the
ANT IN
socket to your VCR,
If the signal becomes clear then the problem if your RF output
channel
is on
top of another TV station, in particular is the Digital signals
for
several
areas are on UHF 36, which is the output Channel of most VCRs.
Allan

Thanks for your help.

I have now discovered that the picture from the VCR is perfectly
clear
if the antenna is not plugged in. (The tuning screen is a good test,
since it is generated by the VCR. It does not depend on the quality
of
any of my tapes.)

So it seems as though something coming in on the antenna lead is
disrupting the VCR signal. However, that same "something" does not
upset
the tuner in the TV itself.

Could this possibly be interference from digital broadcasts?

Yes, or even just a very strong analog signal
on one channel thats overloading the frontend.

The frontend in that VCR is just a worse design than the TV.

According to the ABA web site, there should only be interference
if the VCR's output channel is the same as a channel used for
digital broadcasting here, ie, 37, 38, 36, 53, 51, 29 or 35.

Yeah, its rather more likely to be a very strong analog channel.

I have tried every channel from 28 to 69 and the interference is
still
there. It is slightly less noticeable at channel 69 than it is for
40.

So is this likely to be digital TV interference?

Its more likely to be a very strong analog channel overloading
the frontend. What's the story on the TV antenna ? Is it a
simple external antenna or does it have a masthead amp etc ?

Or is there something wrong with the VCR
that it has interference on all channels?

Likely. It could be a fault or just not very well designed.
The obvious way to distinguish between those two
possibilitys is to try another identical model there.

If it is digital TV, the solution is supposed to be to
use the AV sockets on the TV to connect to the VCR.
Unfortunately my TV does not have any AV inputs...

Yeah, I'd return it to where you bought it and get another copy.
If that behaves the same way, get a different model or a full refund.


What about if you use the AV output tot he TV?

He just said the TV doesnt have any, silly |-)

How the hell did I miss that??

Just altzhiemers, nothing to worry about.

Hope you have been polite to the kids,
they'll be picking the nursing home.

I wondered why nobody bothered to suggest it.

Still, it'd be a useful test if he can try it on a TV that does.

I doubt its that since the tuning screen doesnt show the problem.

(salvages a little pride and slinks off.......)

A Jap would at least have the decency to disembowel itself.

 

[Dean]

I bought a Panasonic NVSJ230 last year. The remote control works about half
the time and the picture on playback is crap. Panasonic say there's nothing
wrong with it.

 

[Bill Bailley]

"Dean" <deanb@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:4021af2a@quokka.wn.com.au...

I bought a Panasonic NVSJ230 last year. The remote control works about
half
the time and the picture on playback is crap. Panasonic say there's
nothing
wrong with it.

Quite likely, moving the UHF output of the vcr a tad will fix the picture.

The remote - dead easy. Many of the new low energy lights radiate strongly
enough to swamp the output of the remote. Mystifying too, because it seems
intermittent.

Luck,
Bill.

 

[David]

"Bill Bailley" <JustMe@Home> wrote in message
news:40222635$0$28870$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

"Dean" <deanb@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:4021af2a@quokka.wn.com.au...
I bought a Panasonic NVSJ230 last year. The remote control works about
half
the time and the picture on playback is crap. Panasonic say there's
nothing
wrong with it.



Quite likely, moving the UHF output of the vcr a tad will fix the picture.

The remote - dead easy. Many of the new low energy lights radiate strongly
enough to swamp the output of the remote. Mystifying too, because it seems
intermittent.

Luck,
Bill.

I had to take out those energy saving bulbs that I had in my living room.
They stopped all of my remotes from working while they were switched on.