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John Larkin
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1298 pages! Seems to be growing exponentially.
John
John
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qrk
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On Tue, 04 May 2004 17:23:02 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:
Digi-Key T042: 1368 pgs, 37 mm thick
Mouser 616: 1178 pgs, 32 mm thick
Mouser 618: 1298 pgs, 35 mm thick
Jameco 204: 169 pgs, 4 mm thick (poor Jameco!)
I think Mouser and Digi-Key are duking it out. I remember when
Digi-Key's catalog was a newspaper.
Mark
<jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:
Digi-Key T032: 1168 pgs, 33 mm thick
Digi-Key T042: 1368 pgs, 37 mm thick
Mouser 616: 1178 pgs, 32 mm thick
Mouser 618: 1298 pgs, 35 mm thick
Jameco 204: 169 pgs, 4 mm thick (poor Jameco!)
I think Mouser and Digi-Key are duking it out. I remember when
Digi-Key's catalog was a newspaper.
Mark
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Joel Kolstad
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qrk <SpamTrap@reson.com> wrote:
reason their prices were so much higher than anyone else!
Hmm... I remember when Nuts & Volts was 90+% advertisements! I decided to
get a 'life membership' ($99!) all of about six months after they stopped
offering them.
I always thought that huge catalog that Newark had (has?) was some of the
reason their prices were so much higher than anyone else!
Hmm... I remember when Nuts & Volts was 90+% advertisements! I decided to
get a 'life membership' ($99!) all of about six months after they stopped
offering them.
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Michael Black
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qrk (SpamTrap@reson.com) writes:
had a catalog, it wasn't much more than what we saw in the ads in
the amateur radio magazines.
Michael
I can remember when Digi-Key sold small kits, and no parts. If they
had a catalog, it wasn't much more than what we saw in the ads in
the amateur radio magazines.
Michael
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PaulCsouls
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On 5 May 2004 03:00:57 GMT, et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black)
wrote:
electronic parts stores. Now all that left is what's tucked in the
corner of Radio Shack.
Paul
wrote:
That was before mail order killed off all the little Ma-n-Pa
electronic parts stores. Now all that left is what's tucked in the
corner of Radio Shack.
Paul
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Robert Baer
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PaulCsouls wrote:
Almost seems to shrink every month...
....you mean what *little* is tucked in a small corner of Radio Shack.
Almost seems to shrink every month...
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Brad Albing
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Michael Black wrote:
[snip]
Burstein-Applebee (sp?) catalog....
[snip]
Bunch o' young whipper-snappers -- I remember when we'd order from the
Burstein-Applebee (sp?) catalog....
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Tim Wescott
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Robert Baer wrote:
in the itty bitty parts aisle. Now everything is harder to find, but
there's 3x as much stuff as there was the month before.
This seems to be a good idea -- you go looking for something specific,
you don't need to _see_ an MPF-102 to know you want it, and you _do_
know that it'll be in the "Semiconductors & IC's" drawer and not in with
the flashlight bulbs.
--
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com
The last time I visited Tandy Aerospace they had put a chest of drawers
in the itty bitty parts aisle. Now everything is harder to find, but
there's 3x as much stuff as there was the month before.
This seems to be a good idea -- you go looking for something specific,
you don't need to _see_ an MPF-102 to know you want it, and you _do_
know that it'll be in the "Semiconductors & IC's" drawer and not in with
the flashlight bulbs.
--
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com
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Richard Henry
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"Robert Baer" <robertbaer@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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overnight?
news:40989EAF.E940C480@earthlink.net...
Why do you need Radio Shack when Digikey, Mouser and the others will deliver
overnight?
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John Larkin
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 15:54:47 GMT, Brad Albing
<itza.secret@none-of.yer-bidness> wrote:
John
<itza.secret@none-of.yer-bidness> wrote:
Once, there was only Allied. And they knew it.
John
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Joel Kolstad
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Richard Henry <rphenry@home.com> wrote:
charge you $5 for a sub-$25 order and about $15 for the overnighting.
Because for a $.39 item that Radio Shack wants $1.99 for, DigiKey will
charge you $5 for a sub-$25 order and about $15 for the overnighting.
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Jim Thompson
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On Wed, 5 May 2004 10:42:18 -0700, "Joel Kolstad"
<JKolstad71HatesSpam@Yahoo.Com> wrote:
Apparently RS can't understand time zones... at 6AM this morning they
called, waking me up, to ask if they could send their "Industrial
Catalog".
You might imagine what I told them ;-)
...Jim Thompson
--
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
<JKolstad71HatesSpam@Yahoo.Com> wrote:
Here's something that can really piss you off...
Apparently RS can't understand time zones... at 6AM this morning they
called, waking me up, to ask if they could send their "Industrial
Catalog".
You might imagine what I told them ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice
480)460-2350 | || E-mail Address at Website Fax
480)460-2142 | Brass Rat || http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Frank Bemelman
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"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> schreef in bericht
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Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)
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Plonk?
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Thanks, Frank.
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John Popelish
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John Larkin wrote:
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Then they blew it.
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Tweetldee
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"Brad Albing" <itza.secret@none-of.yer-bidness> wrote in message
news:40990E42.77F6444B@none-of.yer-bidness...
Yeppers, Burstein-Applebee, Olson Electronics, and the venerable Lafayette
Electronics. I bought a ton of stuff from all three stores, and
occassionally still come across some of the stuff that got stuffed into a
box and never used. I bought Perpetuum-Ebner turntable that became the
beginnings of my first HI-FI system from Burstein-Applebee, back in the mid
60's, if I remember correctly. Wish they were still around.
--
Dave M
Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad
judgement.
news:40990E42.77F6444B@none-of.yer-bidness...
Yeppers, Burstein-Applebee, Olson Electronics, and the venerable Lafayette
Electronics. I bought a ton of stuff from all three stores, and
occassionally still come across some of the stuff that got stuffed into a
box and never used. I bought Perpetuum-Ebner turntable that became the
beginnings of my first HI-FI system from Burstein-Applebee, back in the mid
60's, if I remember correctly. Wish they were still around.
--
Dave M
Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad
judgement.
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Walter Harley
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"Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com> wrote in message
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discover you need something you don't have.
But in response to an earlier post, it wasn't just mail-order that killed
off the mom 'n' pop stores; it was two other things:
- Fewer electronics hobbyists. It's not what kids play with any more. And
no surprise: most of the interesting electronic things they see around the
house, like cell phones and PC's, are impossible to build by themselves.
Why would you struggle to build a rudimentary AM radio when you could just
listen to MP3's on your iPod?
- Tremendous variety of parts. When the Digikey catalog was just a few
pages long, it wasn't because they only had .001% of available parts. It
was because there was a lot less variety! There weren't 5000 different
opamps being manufactured. PICs and microcontrollers didn't exist. There
weren't four different sizes of surface mount resistors for every one of the
1% resistance series.
I think that there's going to be an implosion sometime soon. It can't be
easy to make money stocking, or even pretending to stock, so many parts.
How many oddball-value 1206 resistors is Mouser sitting on right now? How
much money did they plonk down to purchase them, and what are they doing to
service that debt? I think we're going to see a lot of distributors axing a
lot of parts from their inventory.
news:3s8mc.15512$fE.5128@fed1read02...
Lucky you, to have a job where you can wait till the next afternoon when you
discover you need something you don't have.
But in response to an earlier post, it wasn't just mail-order that killed
off the mom 'n' pop stores; it was two other things:
- Fewer electronics hobbyists. It's not what kids play with any more. And
no surprise: most of the interesting electronic things they see around the
house, like cell phones and PC's, are impossible to build by themselves.
Why would you struggle to build a rudimentary AM radio when you could just
listen to MP3's on your iPod?
- Tremendous variety of parts. When the Digikey catalog was just a few
pages long, it wasn't because they only had .001% of available parts. It
was because there was a lot less variety! There weren't 5000 different
opamps being manufactured. PICs and microcontrollers didn't exist. There
weren't four different sizes of surface mount resistors for every one of the
1% resistance series.
I think that there's going to be an implosion sometime soon. It can't be
easy to make money stocking, or even pretending to stock, so many parts.
How many oddball-value 1206 resistors is Mouser sitting on right now? How
much money did they plonk down to purchase them, and what are they doing to
service that debt? I think we're going to see a lot of distributors axing a
lot of parts from their inventory.
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Richard Henry
Guest
"Walter Harley" <walterh@cafewalterNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:c7c2vi$ml9$0@216.39.172.65...
in the shop, there was no way Radio Shak would have it.
store that used an IR circuit to set off an intrusion alarm. He got an old
textbook from GoodWill and hollowed out a cavity for it with the "eye"
looking out thorugh a hole drilled in the book cover.
the manufacturer explicitly for Digikey. I can imagine there is a lot of
material in Thief River Falls warehouse that doesn't belong to Digikey
untuil they pick it and pack it.
news:c7c2vi$ml9$0@216.39.172.65...
When I was working, if I needed something right away, and we didn't have it
in the shop, there was no way Radio Shak would have it.
You can still do some things. My son bought a kit at an electronics surplus
store that used an IR circuit to set off an intrusion alarm. He got an old
textbook from GoodWill and hollowed out a cavity for it with the "eye"
looking out thorugh a hole drilled in the book cover.
Some of the stuff I have goten from Digikey looks like it was packaged by
the manufacturer explicitly for Digikey. I can imagine there is a lot of
material in Thief River Falls warehouse that doesn't belong to Digikey
untuil they pick it and pack it.
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Michael Black
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"Walter Harley" (walterh@cafewalterNOSPAM.com) writes:
It's that back then, the hobbyist was pretty much using the same parts
as the service people, and the small manufacturers, and the small prototypers.
There wasn't complete overlap, but the differences, be they parts unique
to servicing or parts unique to the hobbyist, made up a small percentage
of the parts the stores carried. And likely, they came from a relative
handful of companies.
This meant that the stores just had to tolerate the hobbyist, not cater
specifically to them. They weren't stuck with much inventory that
wasn't bought by the customer, and because they had a wider customer base,
This last meant that the business could be reasonably profitable.
But then as parts started becoming much more specialized, as ICs started
to come into use, there was a much bigger division. Even thirty years ago,
many ICs intended for TV sets were hardly useful for much beyond their
intended use, and as the years went by, this got even worse.
The stores could choose who their market was, or they would be stuck
with large inventory that didn't overlap the various customer bases.
And this came along at a time when owners of long term businesses might
be considering retiring. The old stock wasn't selling, and to move into
the solid-state age would require moving into completely new stock. Those
nice downtown locations were probably much more valuable for real estate
development than for an aging small business. The area where I first
went in 1971 to buy parts, and discovered a while later to be a cluster
of stores that catered to the hobbyist, is quite different and has been
different for at least twenty years. The stores are long gone, but the
area has been rebuilt and built up since I first visited it.
New businesses coming into the field had the advantage of no stock,
and didn't have to switch mindsets to solid state. They came up with
a different business perspective, and not only was location not as
convenient, but they often decided not to deal with hobbyists. They
were no longer the owner who also served the customer, and maybe knew
many of them from the local radio club, or whatever.
I brought up Digi-Key's origins earlier and it's not particularly
different from the beginnings of the old time places that started fading
out as Digi-Key began its rise. Except by the early seventies, fewer
were around who had seen those other businesses begin. And this is more
so now. It was the newcomer back then, and now it's the stade old
business.
Michael
It's that back then, the hobbyist was pretty much using the same parts
as the service people, and the small manufacturers, and the small prototypers.
There wasn't complete overlap, but the differences, be they parts unique
to servicing or parts unique to the hobbyist, made up a small percentage
of the parts the stores carried. And likely, they came from a relative
handful of companies.
This meant that the stores just had to tolerate the hobbyist, not cater
specifically to them. They weren't stuck with much inventory that
wasn't bought by the customer, and because they had a wider customer base,
This last meant that the business could be reasonably profitable.
But then as parts started becoming much more specialized, as ICs started
to come into use, there was a much bigger division. Even thirty years ago,
many ICs intended for TV sets were hardly useful for much beyond their
intended use, and as the years went by, this got even worse.
The stores could choose who their market was, or they would be stuck
with large inventory that didn't overlap the various customer bases.
And this came along at a time when owners of long term businesses might
be considering retiring. The old stock wasn't selling, and to move into
the solid-state age would require moving into completely new stock. Those
nice downtown locations were probably much more valuable for real estate
development than for an aging small business. The area where I first
went in 1971 to buy parts, and discovered a while later to be a cluster
of stores that catered to the hobbyist, is quite different and has been
different for at least twenty years. The stores are long gone, but the
area has been rebuilt and built up since I first visited it.
New businesses coming into the field had the advantage of no stock,
and didn't have to switch mindsets to solid state. They came up with
a different business perspective, and not only was location not as
convenient, but they often decided not to deal with hobbyists. They
were no longer the owner who also served the customer, and maybe knew
many of them from the local radio club, or whatever.
I brought up Digi-Key's origins earlier and it's not particularly
different from the beginnings of the old time places that started fading
out as Digi-Key began its rise. Except by the early seventies, fewer
were around who had seen those other businesses begin. And this is more
so now. It was the newcomer back then, and now it's the stade old
business.
Michael
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Joel Kolstad
Guest
Michael Black <et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
survive... They already have (not at all cheap, as with their drinks)
wireless networking!
Hmm... I wonder if a Starbucks with electronic parts as well would
survive...
They already have (not at all cheap, as with their drinks)wireless networking!
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Tim Hubberstey
Guest
Joel Kolstad wrote:
Fry's Electronics certainly proved that, at least in the Bay area of
California, it is possible to combine a grocery store, consumer
electronics store, and an electronics parts store in one location and
have it be (very) profitable.
In Vancouver, Starbucks and Chapters bookstore have some sort of
agreement and you find a Starbucks inside most of the Chapters.
--
Tim Hubberstey, P.Eng. . . . . . Hardware/Software Consulting Engineer
Marmot Engineering . . . . . . . VHDL, ASICs, FPGAs, embedded systems
Vancouver, BC, Canada . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.marmot-eng.com
In the right market, it could be a "killer app".Michael Black <et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
Those
nice downtown locations were probably much more valuable for real estate
development than for an aging small business.
Hmm... I wonder if a Starbucks with electronic parts as well would
survive...
wireless networking!
Fry's Electronics certainly proved that, at least in the Bay area of
California, it is possible to combine a grocery store, consumer
electronics store, and an electronics parts store in one location and
have it be (very) profitable.
In Vancouver, Starbucks and Chapters bookstore have some sort of
agreement and you find a Starbucks inside most of the Chapters.
--
Tim Hubberstey, P.Eng. . . . . . Hardware/Software Consulting Engineer
Marmot Engineering . . . . . . . VHDL, ASICs, FPGAs, embedded systems
Vancouver, BC, Canada . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.marmot-eng.com