New, minimally moderated group

[John Fortier]

The new group is in the process of formation.

I shall not be posting to this group from now on. It's beyond help.

Far too many old fogies who condone anti-socila behaviour "Because it's
always been that way." or "I've been posting here for years and I think
abusing newbiesis fun". Not direct quotes but an indication of the
mentality of those whose, de facto, domination of the group makes it the
exceptionally inhospitible place it is today.

So one of your pals gets his just deserts. Tough. None of you
pusilimaneous old farts had the guts to control him and you all knew what he
was doing, so you condoned the misuse of company time and equipment. What
an example you all are.

So, the old order stays where it is, congratulating itself and bumbling on
about how knowledgeable you all are.

You are truly contemptible.

 

[Roy McCammon]

John Fortier wrote:

So one of your pals gets his just deserts.

who got what?



--
local optimization seldom leads to global optimization

my e-mail address is: rb <my last name> AT ieee DOT org

 

[Lord Garth]

"John Fortier" <jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4qSlb.46904$Sc7.37088@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

The new group is in the process of formation.

I shall not be posting to this group from now on. It's beyond help.

Far too many old fogies who condone anti-socila behaviour "Because it's
always been that way." or "I've been posting here for years and I think
abusing newbiesis fun". Not direct quotes but an indication of the
mentality of those whose, de facto, domination of the group makes it the
exceptionally inhospitible place it is today.

So one of your pals gets his just deserts. Tough. None of you
pusilimaneous old farts had the guts to control him and you all knew what
he
was doing, so you condoned the misuse of company time and equipment.
What
an example you all are.

So, the old order stays where it is, congratulating itself and bumbling on
about how knowledgeable you all are.

You are truly contemptible.

*YAWN!!!!*

Bye Bye !

 

[Dimitrij Klingbeil]

"John Fortier" <jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4qSlb.46904$Sc7.37088@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

The new group is in the process of formation.

I shall not be posting to this group from now on. It's beyond help.

Far too many old fogies who condone anti-socila behaviour "Because it's
always been that way." or "I've been posting here for years and I think
abusing newbiesis fun". Not direct quotes but an indication of the
mentality of those whose, de facto, domination of the group makes it the
exceptionally inhospitible place it is today.

In the last year I have not seen any newbies abused here. The style may
sometimes be 'rough and tough', but usually between those who know each
other more or less. Of course, there were a handful of 'stupid questions'
answered in a rather impolite way, but the 90+% rest of them was dealt with
carefully. If you filter out the two flamewar threads, the assumption in the
last senttence is untenible.

So one of your pals gets his just deserts. Tough. None of you
pusilimaneous old farts had the guts to control him and you all knew what
he
was doing, so you condoned the misuse of company time and equipment.
What
an example you all are.

Now this IS abuse of a good deal of users in this newsgroup, espsecially the
new ones who have not known everyone here for a quarter century and did not
see a need to participate in the last (still lasting) flamewar. After all, a
newsgroup is not something to be controlled with military precision, we all
have a great luck it is not. Franklin was right to say that sacrificing
freedom for security deserves neither. Of course the last flamewar is unique
in a whole last year that I'm around here, maybe a lot more, but don't tell
me that it's still a year to last.

So, the old order stays where it is, congratulating itself and bumbling on
about how knowledgeable you all are.

You are truly contemptible.

Some 2 weeks or so before you could not have said that. Have a look at this
newsgroup after a couple of weeks, when the flamewar calms down and
disappears from the servers. Period.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:25:52 GMT, "John Fortier"
<jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote:

The new group is in the process of formation.

I shall not be posting to this group from now on.

Ah! We are, what's that French word... désolé.

It's beyond help.

Right. More French: Bon voyage.

Far too many old fogies who condone anti-socila behaviour "Because it's
always been that way." or "I've been posting here for years and I think
abusing newbiesis fun". Not direct quotes but an indication of the
mentality of those whose, de facto, domination of the group makes it the
exceptionally inhospitible place it is today.

So one of your pals gets his just deserts. Tough. None of you
pusilimaneous old farts had the guts to control him and you all knew what he
was doing,

"Guts to control him?" The only reasonable way to control him would be
to march him down to the nearest pub and fill him with lots of beer.

so you condoned the misuse of company time and equipment.

Hey, I thought Fields *owned* the company.

So, the old order stays where it is, congratulating itself and bumbling on
about how knowledgeable you all are.

We are congratulating ourselves that you are leaving; but I knew that
all along.

You are truly contemptible.

Is what you're really trying to say is that you'll be leaving the
group? Bon voyage.

John

 

[Robert Monsen]

"Dimitrij Klingbeil" <dklingb@cs.tu-berlin.de> wrote in message
news:3f98068c_1@news.arcor-ip.de...

"John Fortier" <jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4qSlb.46904$Sc7.37088@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
The new group is in the process of formation.

I shall not be posting to this group from now on. It's beyond help.

Far too many old fogies who condone anti-socila behaviour "Because it's
always been that way." or "I've been posting here for years and I think
abusing newbiesis fun". Not direct quotes but an indication of the
mentality of those whose, de facto, domination of the group makes it the
exceptionally inhospitible place it is today.

In the last year I have not seen any newbies abused here. The style may
sometimes be 'rough and tough', but usually between those who know each
other more or less. Of course, there were a handful of 'stupid questions'
answered in a rather impolite way, but the 90+% rest of them was dealt
with
carefully. If you filter out the two flamewar threads, the assumption in
the
last senttence is untenible.


So one of your pals gets his just deserts. Tough. None of you
pusilimaneous old farts had the guts to control him and you all knew
what
he
was doing, so you condoned the misuse of company time and equipment.
What
an example you all are.

Now this IS abuse of a good deal of users in this newsgroup, espsecially
the
new ones who have not known everyone here for a quarter century and did
not
see a need to participate in the last (still lasting) flamewar. After all,
a
newsgroup is not something to be controlled with military precision, we
all
have a great luck it is not. Franklin was right to say that sacrificing
freedom for security deserves neither. Of course the last flamewar is
unique
in a whole last year that I'm around here, maybe a lot more, but don't
tell
me that it's still a year to last.

The actual quote is this:

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

So, the old order stays where it is, congratulating itself and bumbling
on
about how knowledgeable you all are.

You are truly contemptible.

Some 2 weeks or so before you could not have said that. Have a look at
this
newsgroup after a couple of weeks, when the flamewar calms down and
disappears from the servers. Period.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:25:52 GMT, "John Fortier"
<jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote:

The new group is in the process of formation.

I shall not be posting to this group from now on. It's beyond help.

Far too many old fogies who condone anti-socila behaviour "Because it's
always been that way." or "I've been posting here for years and I think
abusing newbiesis fun". Not direct quotes but an indication of the
mentality of those whose, de facto, domination of the group makes it the
exceptionally inhospitible place it is today.

So one of your pals gets his just deserts. Tough. None of you
pusilimaneous old farts had the guts to control him and you all knew what he
was doing, so you condoned the misuse of company time and equipment. What
an example you all are.

So, the old order stays where it is, congratulating itself and bumbling on
about how knowledgeable you all are.

You are truly contemptible.

Yes, but that's not important. What truly matters is whether you are
really gone.

John

 

[Dimitrij Klingbeil]

The actual quote is this:

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

Thx, I'll save the snippet for future reference.