New CD Format..... Was on TV Today

[John Leister]

It would seem on face value that the recording
industry is feeling the pinch of people with burners.

I saw a news story at work today on a new type of CD
recorded with grooves that is supposed to stop you from
making copies ...

I wonder how long till someone makes a burner capable
of reading these hehe?

 

[Barry]

On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 18:10:40 +0930, John Leister
<fyrdemon@senet.com.au> wrote:

It would seem on face value that the recording
industry is feeling the pinch of people with burners.

I saw a news story at work today on a new type of CD
recorded with grooves that is supposed to stop you from
making copies ...

I wonder how long till someone makes a burner capable
of reading these hehe?

Made of black vinyl as well?

 

[Leon The Peon]

"John Leister" <fyrdemon@senet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3F570393.51060456@senet.com.au...

Barry wrote:

On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 18:10:40 +0930, John Leister
fyrdemon@senet.com.au> wrote:

It would seem on face value that the recording
industry is feeling the pinch of people with burners.

I saw a news story at work today on a new type of CD
recorded with grooves that is supposed to stop you from
making copies ...

I wonder how long till someone makes a burner capable
of reading these hehe?

Made of black vinyl as well?



No I think these were made out of normal CD material
and using the normal CD process of manufacture.

What would be really neat is something like a small crystal
rod which has the music encoded into it's makeup and you
slide that into the player where a laser scans and decodes
the audio. It would not only be compact but dare I say it
very difficult to copy in large quantities.....

Try again on april 1.



---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/2003

 

[John Leister]

Barry wrote:

On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 18:10:40 +0930, John Leister
fyrdemon@senet.com.au> wrote:

It would seem on face value that the recording
industry is feeling the pinch of people with burners.

I saw a news story at work today on a new type of CD
recorded with grooves that is supposed to stop you from
making copies ...

I wonder how long till someone makes a burner capable
of reading these hehe?

Made of black vinyl as well?

No I think these were made out of normal CD material
and using the normal CD process of manufacture.

What would be really neat is something like a small crystal
rod which has the music encoded into it's makeup and you
slide that into the player where a laser scans and decodes
the audio. It would not only be compact but dare I say it
very difficult to copy in large quantities.....

 

[gilgamesh]

"John Leister" <fyrdemon@senet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3F570393.51060456@senet.com.au...

Barry wrote:

On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 18:10:40 +0930, John Leister
fyrdemon@senet.com.au> wrote:

It would seem on face value that the recording
industry is feeling the pinch of people with burners.

I saw a news story at work today on a new type of CD
recorded with grooves that is supposed to stop you from
making copies ...

I wonder how long till someone makes a burner capable
of reading these hehe?

Made of black vinyl as well?

Unfortunately I think some people are too young to understand the joke

No I think these were made out of normal CD material
and using the normal CD process of manufacture.

What would be really neat is something like a small crystal
rod which has the music encoded into it's makeup and you
slide that into the player where a laser scans and decodes
the audio. It would not only be compact but dare I say it
very difficult to copy in large quantities.....

 

[CyBorg 0091]

Leon The Peon wrote:

"John Leister" <fyrdemon@senet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3F570393.51060456@senet.com.au...

Barry wrote:


On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 18:10:40 +0930, John Leister
fyrdemon@senet.com.au> wrote:


It would seem on face value that the recording
industry is feeling the pinch of people with burners.

I saw a news story at work today on a new type of CD
recorded with grooves that is supposed to stop you from
making copies ...

I wonder how long till someone makes a burner capable
of reading these hehe?

Made of black vinyl as well?



No I think these were made out of normal CD material
and using the normal CD process of manufacture.

What would be really neat is something like a small crystal
rod which has the music encoded into it's makeup and you
slide that into the player where a laser scans and decodes
the audio. It would not only be compact but dare I say it
very difficult to copy in large quantities.....




Try again on april 1.



---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/2003

half assed idea...

Won't do M$ any good as yet unless the next release of win$oft smarter
which is hard to believe...might do some good in the music industry if
it works...

However they will have to find away to stop music being played over air
to achive any real progress.
Most MP3's come from direct broadcasts(TV/Radio) that are available on
the protocol market....

Shit I could have made a fortune with these words/letters....

 

[pedro]

John Leister wrote:

Barry wrote:

On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 18:10:40 +0930, John Leister
fyrdemon@senet.com.au> wrote:

It would seem on face value that the recording
industry is feeling the pinch of people with burners.

I saw a news story at work today on a new type of CD
recorded with grooves that is supposed to stop you from
making copies ...

I wonder how long till someone makes a burner capable
of reading these hehe?

Made of black vinyl as well?

No I think these were made out of normal CD material
and using the normal CD process of manufacture.

What would be really neat is something like a small crystal
rod which has the music encoded into it's makeup and you
slide that into the player where a laser scans and decodes
the audio. It would not only be compact but dare I say it
very difficult to copy in large quantities.....

Like in the Superman movie in the crystal ice palace.


rgds,

Pete.
====

 

[Megatoolz.com - Computers]

I dont see why the music/video industry would waste so much
time/effort/money on creating a new system all the time, because in our
world, there's a million kiddies out there that will come up with some sort
of work-around, soon to be followed by major hardware manufactures
mass-producing it.


--
Regards,
LJ Boyd
Megatoolz.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Megatoolz.com - Computers | Internet | PC Security | Networking | Data
Recovery
http://www.megatoolz.com <--- Make It Your Browser's Start Page!
24hr On-Site Tech Support Available - 0402 616 574
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"John Leister" <fyrdemon@senet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3F56FA88.D790C802@senet.com.au...

It would seem on face value that the recording
industry is feeling the pinch of people with burners.

I saw a news story at work today on a new type of CD
recorded with grooves that is supposed to stop you from
making copies ...

I wonder how long till someone makes a burner capable
of reading these hehe?

 

[John Tserkezis]

John Leister wrote:

It would seem on face value that the recording
industry is feeling the pinch of people with burners.

I saw a news story at work today on a new type of CD
recorded with grooves that is supposed to stop you from
making copies ...

CDs already have grooves. They're filled with a fine layer of aluminium and
forms part of the reflective layer.

I wonder how long till someone makes a burner capable
of reading these hehe?

They already exist. You should be able to find the players at any
"audiophile's" place- still in use because they don't exibit any digital
artifacts. They sound better than CD you know.

--
Linux Registered User # 302622 <http://counter.li.org>

 

[amstereo - matt2]

not exactly 'compact' though, shit, if ur goin to all the trouble, bring on
the 8CPS (or higher) reel-to-reel

 

[Clockmeister]

"amstereo - matt2" <amstereo@optusINTERnetDOT.comDOT.auSTRALIA> wrote in
message news:3f574dcf$0$10360$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

not exactly 'compact' though, shit, if ur goin to all the trouble, bring
on
the 8CPS (or higher) reel-to-reel

There is nothing quite like putting on a record though... crackle...
crackle.. pop but the warmth of the sound produced is worth the trouble just
every now and then.

Regards,

Clockmeister.

 

[Gregory Toomey]

"John Tserkezis" <jt@techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote in message
news:3f574520$0$4192$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

John Leister wrote:

It would seem on face value that the recording
industry is feeling the pinch of people with burners.

I saw a news story at work today on a new type of CD
recorded with grooves that is supposed to stop you from
making copies ...

CDs already have grooves. They're filled with a fine layer of aluminium
and
forms part of the reflective layer.

CD-Rs generally contain gold/silver.


"The reflective layer of every KODAK CD-R disc contains real, elemental
gold. In our KODAK CD-R Gold Ultima products and our KODAK CD-R Digital
Audio Gold product, the reflective layer is pure gold, 24 karat. These
products look gold because the reflective layer is gold.
In KODAK CD-R Ultima products, the reflective layer is a gold/silver alloy.
This alloy, by itself, is silver-colored. "

See http://www.kodak.com/cluster/global/en/service/faqs/faq1630.shtml

gtoomey

 

[brian w edginton]

On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:40:31 +1000, "Gregory Toomey"
<NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote:

"John Tserkezis" <jt@techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote in message
news:3f574520$0$4192$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
John Leister wrote:

It would seem on face value that the recording
industry is feeling the pinch of people with burners.

I saw a news story at work today on a new type of CD
recorded with grooves that is supposed to stop you from
making copies ...

CDs already have grooves. They're filled with a fine layer of aluminium
and
forms part of the reflective layer.


CD-Rs generally contain gold/silver.


"The reflective layer of every KODAK CD-R disc contains real, elemental
gold. In our KODAK CD-R Gold Ultima products and our KODAK CD-R Digital
Audio Gold product, the reflective layer is pure gold, 24 karat. These
products look gold because the reflective layer is gold.
In KODAK CD-R Ultima products, the reflective layer is a gold/silver alloy.
This alloy, by itself, is silver-colored. "

See http://www.kodak.com/cluster/global/en/service/faqs/faq1630.shtml

gtoomey

As an aside, I heard a news item the other day. Seems a French court
has ruled that CDs with the "no copy" thing are "faulty goods" and
buyers should have their money returned. Anyone have more detail?

 

[Sean Coyle]

If you really think about it, its all about commercialization, and
economics, if you create a new product that requires a new type of
player, manufacturers whose sales volume has slowed need to find the
next object of desire they can focus their R&D time on for mass
production, without demand there would never be supply.

Our wonderful economy operates like a badly oiled machine, but if you
take out that one factor, it would be like putting sugar in your gas tank.


John Leister wrote:

It would seem on face value that the recording
industry is feeling the pinch of people with burners.

I saw a news story at work today on a new type of CD
recorded with grooves that is supposed to stop you from
making copies ...

I wonder how long till someone makes a burner capable
of reading these hehe?

--
Regards,

Sean Coyle
President
Greenroom Networx
Ph: 604.941.7832
Fx: 604.941.7803

"Empowering communities with intuitive, powerful and evolving
communications technology in the 21st century."

 

[Leon The Peon]

"John Leister" <fyrdemon@senet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3F56FA88.D790C802@senet.com.au...

It would seem on face value that the recording
industry is feeling the pinch of people with burners.

I saw a news story at work today on a new type of CD
recorded with grooves that is supposed to stop you from
making copies ...

I wonder how long till someone makes a burner capable
of reading these hehe?

I wonder if they will make a laser scanner for vinyl.
They could make laser heads so read vinyl and wax, so that playing them
doesnt wear them out any further.
They could make a vinyl player without the turntable - just make the laser
scan around and around ...

But of course if a grooved media can be read, it can be written back to
polycarbonate media by using a laser to burn holes in dye.
(or pressed onto foil ) .







---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/2003

 

[Gary Schmidt]

Leon The Peon wrote:

"John Leister" <fyrdemon@senet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3F56FA88.D790C802@senet.com.au...

It would seem on face value that the recording
industry is feeling the pinch of people with burners.

I saw a news story at work today on a new type of CD
recorded with grooves that is supposed to stop you from
making copies ...

I wonder how long till someone makes a burner capable
of reading these hehe?



I wonder if they will make a laser scanner for vinyl.
They could make laser heads so read vinyl and wax, so that playing them
doesnt wear them out any further.
They could make a vinyl player without the turntable - just make the laser
scan around and around ...

[SNIP]

Already exists: http://www.elpj.com/ but very expensive.

And some other bloke wrote a program that used a scanner to play LPs,
http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~springer/

Cheers,
Gary B-)

 

John Tserkezis wrote:

John Leister wrote:

It would seem on face value that the recording
industry is feeling the pinch of people with burners.

I saw a news story at work today on a new type of CD
recorded with grooves that is supposed to stop you from
making copies ...

CDs already have grooves. They're filled with a fine layer of aluminium and
forms part of the reflective layer.

CD's don't have grooves. They have pits.

--

David

 

[John Tserkezis]

brian w edginton wrote:

As an aside, I heard a news item the other day. Seems a French court
has ruled that CDs with the "no copy" thing are "faulty goods" and
buyers should have their money returned. Anyone have more detail?

Only that they are classed as faulty, not merchantable quality etc, and thus
replaceable (I assume with non copy-protected versions).

There are no plans to prevent any form of copy protection from getting into
the market, only replacing media that is faulty- or behaves in a faulty manner-
as you are legally entitled to anyway.
It is reputed that even some "real" audio CD players cannot play these copy
protected CDs.

As far as I'm aware, there has been no success in stopping any form of copy
protection from getting into the market in the first place.
At this stage, the only option available is to return them to the place of
purchase, and claim a (real red book standard) replacement, or if that's not
possible, a refund.

This will hurt the retailers, and is most certainly not a suitable outcome,
it isn't their fault, they don't usually find out about this till their
customers come back screaming. But the law won't change to stop the problem at
the source.

Vote with your wallet. Don't buy known copy-protected CDs, and return any
you do buy. If the retailers can't sell them, they won't buy them. And if
they aren't buying them, the record companies can't sell them.
Record companies are continually looking at refining copy protection
techniques to make them work with all "normal" CD players, and stopping them
from working on "normal" CDROM drives.

Whether or not this is a problem for you, depends entirely on you. As I
said, vote with your wallet.

--
Linux Registered User # 302622 <http://counter.li.org>

 

[John Tserkezis]

dmmilne@ozemail.com.au wrote:

CDs already have grooves. They're filled with a fine layer of aluminium and
forms part of the reflective layer.

CD's don't have grooves. They have pits.

A line of these pits, as far as the dynamics of reading CDs go, are in a
manner of speaking, grooves. The laser follows the sequence of pits much like
a needle in a traditional vinyl record would. Kinda.

--
Linux Registered User # 302622 <http://counter.li.org>

 

[Tony Pearce]

"amstereo - matt2" <amstereo@optusINTERnetDOT.comDOT.auSTRALIA> wrote in
message news:3f574dcf$0$10360$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

not exactly 'compact' though, shit, if ur goin to all the trouble, bring
on
the 8CPS (or higher) reel-to-reel

What exactly is 8CPS?

TonyP.