needNCells

[Sa]

Hello,
I am trying to figure out what excatly skill objects or skill cells
mean in needncells function in cadence?
all I want to do is to allocate like 50 MB of space to my association
table in my skill code.
any idea how to do it??
I am doing this to avoid too many gc iterations ( found by gcsummary)
that skill is doing.I thought if I preallocate memory to my assoc
table, the gc number will reduce.
thanks
sampath

 

[Andrew Beckett]

Sampath,

I don't really see how needNCells is going to help if you have lots of garbage
collection going on. It allocates more memory for a particular type, to stop
it having to spend so much time allocating in smaller chunks.

If it is garbage collecting a lot, it means that it is creating a lot of garbage
- i..e creating lots of objects and throwing them away, and having to tidy up.
You should run the profiler to find out where it is using memory and/or taking
time and optimise the code.

FYI, the argument to needNCells would be the type of the data you are
storing in the table. It's the same as the objects listed in the gcsummary
report.

Andrew.


On 25 Feb 2004 10:14:27 -0800, sampath_dechu@rediffmail.com (Sa) wrote:

Hello,
I am trying to figure out what excatly skill objects or skill cells
mean in needncells function in cadence?
all I want to do is to allocate like 50 MB of space to my association
table in my skill code.
any idea how to do it??
I am doing this to avoid too many gc iterations ( found by gcsummary)
that skill is doing.I thought if I preallocate memory to my assoc
table, the gc number will reduce.
thanks
sampath

--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Technical Leader
Custom IC Solutions
Cadence Design Systems Ltd

 

[gennari]

I remember how hard it was to build large association tables in an older
version of Cadence that I used a few years ago. It would crash when the
table was larger than 100,000 elements. I think the association table is
much better in the newer releases of Cadence though. Still, if you're
working with a table that large and you know the size then you should try to
find a way to use a single array instead, and then that way you can
allocate/'declare' it all at once. It may not be possible to use an array in
your situation though. Either way, in order to avoid memory problems you
should try to reuse as much storage and as many variables as possible.

Frank

"Sa" <sampath_dechu@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
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Hello,
I am trying to figure out what excatly skill objects or skill cells
mean in needncells function in cadence?
all I want to do is to allocate like 50 MB of space to my association
table in my skill code.
any idea how to do it??
I am doing this to avoid too many gc iterations ( found by gcsummary)
that skill is doing.I thought if I preallocate memory to my assoc
table, the gc number will reduce.
thanks
sampath

 

[Sa]

Andrew, correct me if I am wrong,
If I have a huge assoc table which contains lots of data..then
initially skill will allocate some memory and when that memory gets
filled up, it will allocate a new bigger chunk of memory for the table
and copy the contents of the initial memory to this new memory and
cleanup the initial memory using gc.
So I thought if I allocate more memory initially then it will reduce
number of gc iterations..
I just want to make sure this is how skill works..
Thanks
Sampath


Andrew Beckett <andrewb@DELETETHISBITcadence.com> wrote in message news:<h4rr309vmamgoh77jrpsuejqgten8l9umo@4ax.com>...

Sampath,

I don't really see how needNCells is going to help if you have lots of garbage
collection going on. It allocates more memory for a particular type, to stop
it having to spend so much time allocating in smaller chunks.

If it is garbage collecting a lot, it means that it is creating a lot of garbage
- i..e creating lots of objects and throwing them away, and having to tidy up.
You should run the profiler to find out where it is using memory and/or taking
time and optimise the code.

FYI, the argument to needNCells would be the type of the data you are
storing in the table. It's the same as the objects listed in the gcsummary
report.

Andrew.


On 25 Feb 2004 10:14:27 -0800, sampath_dechu@rediffmail.com (Sa) wrote:

Hello,
I am trying to figure out what excatly skill objects or skill cells
mean in needncells function in cadence?
all I want to do is to allocate like 50 MB of space to my association
table in my skill code.
any idea how to do it??
I am doing this to avoid too many gc iterations ( found by gcsummary)
that skill is doing.I thought if I preallocate memory to my assoc
table, the gc number will reduce.
thanks
sampath

 

[Andrew Beckett]

No, it doesn't really work like that, at least not in the IC5033 and later where
the hash package had a major rewrite. Even before that I don't think it worked
like that.

For a start, the contents would be the same objects, and so those would not
need to be reallocated. It's possible the has itself might need to be
duplicated, but that's not going to be a major issue.

The most likely cause of lots of gc is building lists and then discarding them.
Are you doing lots of ~> operators, returning lists of database objects? Each
time you do that, it builds a new list. If you don't keep the results, it will
gc the generated list cells frequently.

Andrew.

On 27 Feb 2004 06:20:38 -0800, sampath_dechu@rediffmail.com (Sa) wrote:

Andrew, correct me if I am wrong,
If I have a huge assoc table which contains lots of data..then
initially skill will allocate some memory and when that memory gets
filled up, it will allocate a new bigger chunk of memory for the table
and copy the contents of the initial memory to this new memory and
cleanup the initial memory using gc.
So I thought if I allocate more memory initially then it will reduce
number of gc iterations..
I just want to make sure this is how skill works..
Thanks
Sampath


Andrew Beckett <andrewb@DELETETHISBITcadence.com> wrote in message news:<h4rr309vmamgoh77jrpsuejqgten8l9umo@4ax.com>...
Sampath,

I don't really see how needNCells is going to help if you have lots of garbage
collection going on. It allocates more memory for a particular type, to stop
it having to spend so much time allocating in smaller chunks.

If it is garbage collecting a lot, it means that it is creating a lot of garbage
- i..e creating lots of objects and throwing them away, and having to tidy up.
You should run the profiler to find out where it is using memory and/or taking
time and optimise the code.

FYI, the argument to needNCells would be the type of the data you are
storing in the table. It's the same as the objects listed in the gcsummary
report.

Andrew.


On 25 Feb 2004 10:14:27 -0800, sampath_dechu@rediffmail.com (Sa) wrote:

Hello,
I am trying to figure out what excatly skill objects or skill cells
mean in needncells function in cadence?
all I want to do is to allocate like 50 MB of space to my association
table in my skill code.
any idea how to do it??
I am doing this to avoid too many gc iterations ( found by gcsummary)
that skill is doing.I thought if I preallocate memory to my assoc
table, the gc number will reduce.
thanks
sampath

--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Technical Leader
Custom IC Solutions
Cadence Design Systems Ltd