Need More SPICE BJT .Models

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

I found the following ".model" in the Fairchild datasheet for 2N5088, so
I copied and pasted it into the 'standard.bjt' ascii file in the
subfolder of LTSpice. I edited it to conform to the format of that
file, and when I got into LTSpice, bingo, it's a new transistor model in
the list.

I've been getting these one at a time, so far only from Fairchild data
sheets. So now I want to find a more comprehensive library with a lot
more BJT models. Any good place to go to find them? I've searched with
Google and found several sites but all of these have come up as dead
links, pay a lotta money, or in the case of Intusoft, a huge 1.8MB .XLS
spreadsheet, which I have to take to work to run. :-( Thanks.

..model 2N5551 NPN (Is=2.511f Xti=3 Eg=1.11 Vaf=100 Bf=242.6 Ne=1.249
Ise=2.511f Ikf=.3458 Xtb=1.5 Br=3.197 Nc=2 Isc=0 Ikr=0 Rc=1 Cjc=4.883p
+ Mjc=.3047 Vjc=.75 Fc=.5 Cje=18.79p Mje=.3416 Vje=.75 Tr=1.202n Tf=560p
Itf=50m Vtf=5 Xtf=8 Rb=10 Vceo=150 Icrating=600m mfg=Fairchild)


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[Kevin Aylward]

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:

I found the following ".model" in the Fairchild datasheet for 2N5088,
so I copied and pasted it into the 'standard.bjt' ascii file in the
subfolder of LTSpice. I edited it to conform to the format of that
file, and when I got into LTSpice, bingo, it's a new transistor model
in the list.

I've been getting these one at a time, so far only from Fairchild data
sheets. So now I want to find a more comprehensive library with a lot
more BJT models. Any good place to go to find them? I've searched
with Google and found several sites but all of these have come up as
dead links, pay a lotta money, or in the case of Intusoft, a huge
1.8MB .XLS spreadsheet, which I have to take to work to run. :-(
Thanks.

I don't believe you "spice models" gets 100k+ hits, with bipolar, 2700
hits. BJT models are all over the place. I found pages with no effort
with lots of models. Why do you want loads of models that you will never
use. You can probably get away with about 20 for 99% of all design.
There's quite a few in SS.


Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

"quotes with no meaning, are meaningless" - Kevin Aylward.

 

[Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun]

Kevin Aylward wrote:

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:

I found the following ".model" in the Fairchild datasheet for 2N5088,
so I copied and pasted it into the 'standard.bjt' ascii file in the
subfolder of LTSpice. I edited it to conform to the format of that
file, and when I got into LTSpice, bingo, it's a new transistor model
in the list.

I've been getting these one at a time, so far only from Fairchild data
sheets. So now I want to find a more comprehensive library with a lot
more BJT models. Any good place to go to find them? I've searched
with Google and found several sites but all of these have come up as
dead links, pay a lotta money, or in the case of Intusoft, a huge
1.8MB .XLS spreadsheet, which I have to take to work to run. :-(
Thanks.

I don't believe you "spice models" gets 100k+ hits, with bipolar, 2700
hits. BJT models are all over the place. I found pages with no effort
with lots of models. Why do you want loads of models that you will never
use. You can probably get away with about 20 for 99% of all design.
There's quite a few in SS.

That's the problem: they're "all over the place" and not in one library.
I've been getting 'em singly from the Fairchild data sheets, but I'm
looking for something that has them all in one library, so I don't have
to cut, paste and edit. SS = SuperSpice? You didn't say how
'affordable' the models might be. I didn't want to have to buy a whole
package just for the models, in fact I didn't want to buy anything. ;-)
It's just that LTSpice is a bit barebones if you know what I mean.
And as you say above, maybe my problem is that I'm unwilling to look
thru 100k+ hits to find what I want, which I think is a problem that
_all_ of us can identify with. Just how much time are we willing to
spend to find smoething. Well, I've already spent a bit of time, and
got something from the Fairchild data sheets; I'm just trying to save a
little time, if nothing else. Thank you. I think..

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

"quotes with no meaning, are meaningless" - Kevin Aylward.

 

[Kevin Aylward]

Watson A.Name "Watt Sun - the Dark Remover" wrote:

Kevin Aylward wrote:

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:

I found the following ".model" in the Fairchild datasheet for
2N5088, so I copied and pasted it into the 'standard.bjt' ascii
file in the subfolder of LTSpice. I edited it to conform to the
format of that file, and when I got into LTSpice, bingo, it's a new
transistor model in the list.

I've been getting these one at a time, so far only from Fairchild
data sheets. So now I want to find a more comprehensive library
with a lot more BJT models. Any good place to go to find them?
I've searched with Google and found several sites but all of these
have come up as dead links, pay a lotta money, or in the case of
Intusoft, a huge
1.8MB .XLS spreadsheet, which I have to take to work to run. :-(
Thanks.


I don't believe you "spice models" gets 100k+ hits, with bipolar,
2700 hits. BJT models are all over the place. I found pages with no
effort with lots of models. Why do you want loads of models that you
will never use. You can probably get away with about 20 for 99% of
all design. There's quite a few in SS.

That's the problem: they're "all over the place" and not in one
library. I've been getting 'em singly from the Fairchild data
sheets, but I'm looking for something that has them all in one
library, so I don't have to cut, paste and edit. SS = SuperSpice?
You didn't say how 'affordable' the models might be.

Very affordable, their free. SuperSpice installs with all the models I
could be bothered to get from vendors sites, although not all of them
will show up in the internal file browser unless loaded in. Have a look
in the \SuperSpice\System folder. Their simple standard text files.
Yeah, I know vendors like VisualSpice, don't allow adding of external
model files in there bare bones products, or even allow all features to
be actually used in the demo, but their twats.

The SuperpSice install is the full install of *everything*. The only
limit is save and netlist size. However, with the demo at 30 top level
components, and 25 in one level of hierarchy, its 750 total real
components, if you can actually be bothered to set up a hierarchical
design that is.

There is a fair selection of the Phillips bipolar, and Philips rf
bipolar .subckt models in the install.

Note that in SS you don't have to do anything to err.."import" models.
You just drag the file from Windows explorer and your done. The models
will show up in the internal docked browser, and you just double click
or drag their name to place them. Symbols are automatically attached for
standard spice devices. Its really piss easy.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

"quotes with no meaning, are meaningless" - Kevin Aylward.

 

[Terry Pinnell]

"Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun - the Dark Remover\""
<NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

That's the problem: they're "all over the place" and not in one library.
I've been getting 'em singly from the Fairchild data sheets, but I'm
looking for something that has them all in one library, so I don't have
to cut, paste and edit. SS = SuperSpice? You didn't say how
'affordable' the models might be. I didn't want to have to buy a whole
package just for the models, in fact I didn't want to buy anything. ;-)
It's just that LTSpice is a bit barebones if you know what I mean.
And as you say above, maybe my problem is that I'm unwilling to look
thru 100k+ hits to find what I want, which I think is a problem that
_all_ of us can identify with. Just how much time are we willing to
spend to find smoething. Well, I've already spent a bit of time, and
got something from the Fairchild data sheets; I'm just trying to save a
little time, if nothing else. Thank you. I think..

Email me re any specifics. CircuitMaker's library is pretty extensive.

--
Terry Pinnell
Hobbyist, West Sussex, UK

 

[Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun]

Kevin Aylward wrote:

Watson A.Name "Watt Sun - the Dark Remover" wrote:
[snip]

Note that in SS you don't have to do anything to err.."import" models.
You just drag the file from Windows explorer and your done. The models
will show up in the internal docked browser, and you just double click
or drag their name to place them. Symbols are automatically attached for
standard spice devices. Its really piss easy.

Not wanting to rub your fur the wrong way, but I started out looking for
models for LTspice, using it because it seems, by consensus, to be the
defacto program that others in these NGs are using. Meanwhile you went
of on a SS tangent, but I'm not willing to depart from LTspice, for the
above reason. Thanks.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

 

[Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun]

Terry Pinnell wrote:

"Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun - the Dark Remover\""
NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

That's the problem: they're "all over the place" and not in one library.
I've been getting 'em singly from the Fairchild data sheets, but I'm
looking for something that has them all in one library, so I don't have
to cut, paste and edit. SS = SuperSpice? You didn't say how
'affordable' the models might be. I didn't want to have to buy a whole
package just for the models, in fact I didn't want to buy anything. ;-)
It's just that LTSpice is a bit barebones if you know what I mean.
And as you say above, maybe my problem is that I'm unwilling to look
thru 100k+ hits to find what I want, which I think is a problem that
_all_ of us can identify with. Just how much time are we willing to
spend to find smoething. Well, I've already spent a bit of time, and
got something from the Fairchild data sheets; I'm just trying to save a
little time, if nothing else. Thank you. I think..

Email me re any specifics. CircuitMaker's library is pretty extensive.

Thanks, Terry, but I seem to have pestered enough people with my
original Q. I'm just looking for a URL of a bunch of models in one
place. I got into Fairchild's spice model web page, but I have to still
get them onesy-twosey, and then it's by email - even slower than copy
and paste from a .PDF. And since they get my email address, I end up
with a bunch of spam, which I'm unwilling to do for such meager
offerings. So I'll just keep wandering thru the URLs..

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Watson A.Name "Watt
Sun - the Dark Remover" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote (in <c4k1m8$6i4ku$
1@hades.csu.net&gt about 'Need More SPICE BJT .Models', on Fri, 2 Apr
2004:

Not wanting to rub your fur the wrong way,

Kevin doesn't have fur, he's all spiny. (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun]

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Watson A.Name "Watt
Sun - the Dark Remover" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote (in <c4k1m8$6i4ku$
1@hades.csu.net&gt about 'Need More SPICE BJT .Models', on Fri, 2 Apr
2004:

Not wanting to rub your fur the wrong way,


Kevin doesn't have fur, he's all spiny. (;-)

AH, IC. Or is it discrete... ;-)

 

[Paul Burridge]

On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:44:28 -0800, "Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun - the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Not wanting to rub your fur the wrong way, but I started out looking for
models for LTspice, using it because it seems, by consensus, to be the
defacto program that others in these NGs are using. Meanwhile you went
of on a SS tangent, but I'm not willing to depart from LTspice, for the
above reason. Thanks.

Kev's great at giving pointers to his own software whenever the chance
arises; not so good at actually answering or even addressing the
question.
Mike E. did actually make available a zip file full of new models that
you can add to LT's existing, rather slim library. I'll repost it next
week if I can get one of my other 'puters up and running again.
Failing that, perhaps Mike will chip in here and tell us why it
appears to be no longer available from the LT site.

 

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"Robert C Monsen" <rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Murbc.164930$_w.1794675@attbi_s53...

Watson, download the circuitmaker spice demo, and swipe the models.
They
have too many to count.

Here is a page with a few on it; you can download the entire file at
the
bottom.

http://www.qsl.net/k7qo/models.html

Well, bless mah soul, that's gonna save me a whole lotta elbow grease.
You're the first one who's come up with something other than idle chat.
Thank you very much.

Now all I need to do is get with the program and learn how to use this
prog. I've drawn several schems including one I got from you, and it's
a q & d way to draw a nice looking schem. I haven't learned how to make
things do much, just graph Vo vs Vi for something as simple as the 45V
zener discussed here. Thanks again.

"Watson A.Name "Watt Sun - the Dark Remover"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com
wrote
in message news:c4k1ve$6iahe$1@hades.csu.net...
Terry Pinnell wrote:

"Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun - the Dark Remover\""
NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

That's the problem: they're "all over the place" and not in one
library.
I've been getting 'em singly from the Fairchild data sheets, but
I'm
looking for something that has them all in one library, so I don't
have
to cut, paste and edit. SS = SuperSpice? You didn't say how
'affordable' the models might be. I didn't want to have to buy a
whole
package just for the models, in fact I didn't want to buy
anything. ;-)
It's just that LTSpice is a bit barebones if you know what I
mean.
And as you say above, maybe my problem is that I'm unwilling to
look
thru 100k+ hits to find what I want, which I think is a problem
that
_all_ of us can identify with. Just how much time are we willing
to
spend to find smoething. Well, I've already spent a bit of time,
and
got something from the Fairchild data sheets; I'm just trying to
save a
little time, if nothing else. Thank you. I think..


Email me re any specifics. CircuitMaker's library is pretty
extensive.

Thanks, Terry, but I seem to have pestered enough people with my
original Q. I'm just looking for a URL of a bunch of models in one
place. I got into Fairchild's spice model web page, but I have to
still
get them onesy-twosey, and then it's by email - even slower than
copy
and paste from a .PDF. And since they get my email address, I end
up
with a bunch of spam, which I'm unwilling to do for such meager
offerings. So I'll just keep wandering thru the URLs..

 

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"Robert C Monsen" <rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:sZIbc.175434$_w.1818504@attbi_s53...

[snip]

One thing you can do is build the schematics in circuitmaker, and then
use
LTSpice to run them by exporting the circuit in netlist format. You
can then
open it with LTSpice and run it.

Regards

Why can't it be run in Circuitmaker? (showing my cluelessness again, I
guess..)

I'd rather not have to switch back and forth between software packages,
for doing the same thing.

Sometimes one gets to the point where it's just not worth the hassle to
put up with limitations of freeware, and one just buys the package to be
done with it.

[snip]

 

[Kevin Aylward]

Paul Burridge wrote:

On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:44:28 -0800, "Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun - the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Not wanting to rub your fur the wrong way, but I started out looking
for models for LTspice,

LT models are, essentially, the same as any another spice. By and large,
spice models run in all simulators.

using it because it seems, by consensus, to
be the defacto program that others in these NGs are using.
Meanwhile you went of on a SS tangent, but I'm not willing to depart
from LTspice, for the above reason. Thanks.

Kev's great at giving pointers to his own software whenever the chance
arises; not so good at actually answering or even addressing the
question.

Not at all. I *specifically* addressed the question. I gave information
that SS ships with loads of models, that anyone can use. What part of
"Have a look
in the \SuperSpice\System folder" did you have trouble with?

Sure, I direct people to SS to give it a go, however, for several years,
on my links page, there is a file, models.zip, clearly identified, that
contains all of the SS models, so one doesn't have to install SS to get
them.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

"quotes with no meaning, are meaningless" - Kevin Aylward.

 

[Paul Burridge]

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:17:41 +0100, "Kevin Aylward"
<kevindotaylwardEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

Paul Burridge wrote:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:44:28 -0800, "Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun - the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Not wanting to rub your fur the wrong way, but I started out looking
for models for LTspice,

LT models are, essentially, the same as any another spice. By and large,
spice models run in all simulators.

Can't agree. See below.

Not at all. I *specifically* addressed the question. I gave information
that SS ships with loads of models, that anyone can use. What part of
"Have a look
in the \SuperSpice\System folder" did you have trouble with?

Sure, I direct people to SS to give it a go, however, for several years,
on my links page, there is a file, models.zip, clearly identified, that
contains all of the SS models, so one doesn't have to install SS to get
them.

Sure, I know you're all heart at heart, Kev. But seriously, there
can be problems with using other models in LT for some reason. For
example, I 'plugged in' the spice model values from the actual
datasheet of the 2N3904 into LT's library, ensuring it was edited to
the format LT 'expects' to see. No ostensible reason for it to fail,
therefore, but it did. I know not why. Upon re-selecting the original
LT 2N3904 model, however, no problems and the sim ran fine. Go figgur.
:-|

 

[John Jardine]

Paul Burridge <pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk> wrote in message
news:19h270lrft9b8hhprrolo5c83jlc26nhu2@4ax.com...

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:17:41 +0100, "Kevin Aylward"
kevindotaylwardEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

(LTspice seems to fall over if it sees more than one contiguous "space"
character in an imported model text line)

 

[Kevin Aylward]

John Jardine wrote:

Paul Burridge <pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk> wrote in message
news:19h270lrft9b8hhprrolo5c83jlc26nhu2@4ax.com...
On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:17:41 +0100, "Kevin Aylward"
kevindotaylwardEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:


(LTspice seems to fall over if it sees more than one contiguous
"space" character in an imported model text line)

That's strange. In SS, I strip all the white space. It makes no
difference at whether there are tabs, or spaces. e.g.

is = 4.2e-12
is=4.2e-12
is = 4.2e-12

All get extracted the same way. I look for the words either side of the
"=".

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

"quotes with no meaning, are meaningless" - Kevin Aylward.

 

[Kevin Aylward]

Paul Burridge wrote:

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:17:41 +0100, "Kevin Aylward"
kevindotaylwardEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

Paul Burridge wrote:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:44:28 -0800, "Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun - the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Not wanting to rub your fur the wrong way, but I started out
looking for models for LTspice,

LT models are, essentially, the same as any another spice. By and
large, spice models run in all simulators.

Can't agree. See below.

Oh...you would be wrong...See below.

Not at all. I *specifically* addressed the question. I gave
information that SS ships with loads of models, that anyone can use.
What part of "Have a look
in the \SuperSpice\System folder" did you have trouble with?

Sure, I direct people to SS to give it a go, however, for several
years, on my links page, there is a file, models.zip, clearly
identified, that contains all of the SS models, so one doesn't have
to install SS to get them.

Sure, I know you're all heart at heart, Kev. But seriously, there
can be problems with using other models in LT for some reason. For
example, I 'plugged in' the spice model values from the actual
datasheet of the 2N3904 into LT's library, ensuring it was edited to
the format LT 'expects' to see. No ostensible reason for it to fail,
therefore, but it did. I know not why. Upon re-selecting the original
LT 2N3904 model, however, no problems and the sim ran fine. Go figgur.

Why do you think I said "by and large"?

Of course they can be some anomalys, but *most* models transport ok. For
the models on my site I did have to do a few conversions so that some of
them would run in any spice3/xspice simulater. For example,
Spice3/XSpice don't like "(4,6)" node names, which is a PSpice
construct.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

"quotes with no meaning, are meaningless" - Kevin Aylward.

 

[John Jardine]

Mike Engelhardt <pmte@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:c4rs50$3o4@dispatch.concentric.net...

John,

(LTspice seems to fall over if it sees more than one contiguous "space"
character in an imported model text line)

This I haven't seen. Can you send and example of a BJT model it can't
execute to the address on LTspice's Help=>About box.

--Mike

Yes, I'll look for a specific example.
(I had to edit out the surplus white space in each line of the Ferranti
models library before LTspice would relate to the their models.)
regards
jhon

 

[Paul Burridge]

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:11:15 -0700, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the
Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote:

"Kevin Aylward" <kevindotaylwardEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
[snip]

What part of
"Have a look
in the \SuperSpice\System folder" did you have trouble with?

The problem I have with this is that I have to install it to get to that
point.

Sure, I direct people to SS to give it a go, however, for several
years,
on my links page, there is a file, models.zip, clearly identified,
that
contains all of the SS models, so one doesn't have to install SS to
get
them.

This is the first that you've indicated that this is available. Thanks,
but I wish you had simply said that earlier, to avoid all this verbiage.

Avoiding unnecessary verbiage ain't Kev's strongpoint...
;->

 

[Mike Engelhardt]

John,

(LTspice seems to fall over if it sees more than one contiguous "space"
character in an imported model text line)

This I haven't seen. Can you send and example of a BJT model it can't
execute to the address on LTspice's Help=>About box.

Yes, I'll look for a specific example.
(I had to edit out the surplus white space in each line of the Ferranti
models library before LTspice would relate to the their models.)

Thanks, please do. LTspice ignores whitespace so I'm interesting in
seeing what problem you could have had there.

Also, Paul wrote:

I 'plugged in' the spice model values from the actual
datasheet of the 2N3904 into LT's library, ensuring it was edited to
the format LT 'expects' to see. No ostensible reason for it to fail,
therefore, but it did. I know not why. Upon re-selecting the original
LT 2N3904 model, however, no problems and the sim ran fine. Go figgur.

This doesn't make any sense to me either, can you send me this model to
the address on the Help=>About dialogbox?

--Mike