Need April 1965 issue of Electronics Magazine.

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Daniel Haude

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Hi. I mislaid my copy. Will pay $10 plus postage. Thanks. --Daniel
 
"PeteS" <ps@fleetwoodmobile.com> wrote in message
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Good try. Intel is offering $10K
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Why?

Presumably a historic Intel product announcement like the 4004/8008/8080?
 
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:35:26 GMT, the renowned "Kryten"
<kryten_droid_obfusticator@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"PeteS" <ps@fleetwoodmobile.com> wrote in message
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Good try. Intel is offering $10K

Why?

Presumably a historic Intel product announcement like the 4004/8008/8080?
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It had an interview with founder Gordon Moore- presumably the one that
popularized "Moore's Law".



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On 14 Apr 2005 09:08:00 GMT, in sci.electronics.design Daniel Haude
<haude@kir.physnet.uni-hamburg.de> wrote:

Hi. I mislaid my copy. Will pay $10 plus postage. Thanks. --Daniel
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hmmm, tried Ebay?.


http://wantitnow.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=WantItNowView&adId=6955863859


martin

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:35:26 GMT, "Kryten"
<kryten_droid_obfusticator@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"PeteS" <ps@fleetwoodmobile.com> wrote in message
news:1113483281.514225.52340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Good try. Intel is offering $10K

Why?

Presumably a historic Intel product announcement like the 4004/8008/8080?
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The original "Moore's Law" article.

...Jim Thompson
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Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:35:26 GMT, "Kryten"
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"PeteS" <ps@fleetwoodmobile.com> wrote in message
news:1113483281.514225.52340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

Good try. Intel is offering $10K

Why?

Presumably a historic Intel product announcement like the 4004/8008/8080?



The original "Moore's Law" article.

...Jim Thompson
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That's where he said that computer power will double every ten years, and 64K of
memory will be more than anyone will ever need.
They are buying up all the copies in order to destroy the evidence.

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
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http://www.theconsensus.org
 
Hello Jim,

Good try. Intel is offering $10K

Why?

Presumably a historic Intel product announcement like the 4004/8008/8080?

The original "Moore's Law" article.
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Just imagine if somebody would now remember how he read it with great
interest and then used that copy to light his wood stove back then.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com
 
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:

Dirk Bruere at Neopax <d...@neopax.com> wrote:

That's where he said that computer power will double
every ten years,


Make that "number of transistors on a chip" and "every two
years" (later revised to 18 months, IIRC).


and 64K of memory will be more than
anyone will ever need.


Bill Gates, re: the IBM PC, not Moore, and "640K."


They are buying up all the copies in order to destroy the evidence.
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Had your humorus removed?

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
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http://www.theconsensus.org
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote (in
<aiz7e.3453$dT4.2446@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>) about 'Need April 1965
issue of Electronics Magazine.', on Thu, 14 Apr 2005:
Hello Jim,

Good try. Intel is offering $10K

Why?

Presumably a historic Intel product announcement like the 4004/8008/8080?
The original "Moore's Law" article.

Just imagine if somebody would now remember how he read it with great
interest and then used that copy to light his wood stove back then.

It seems crazy to me. For USD10k you could replicate it, i.e. make the
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printing plates again. For a lot less you could make a replica using
modern methods.
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Dirk Bruere at Neopax
<dirk@neopax.com> wrote (in <3c7u3nF6ksr1eU2@individual.net>) about
'Need April 1965 issue of Electronics Magazine.', on Thu, 14 Apr 2005:

Had your humorus removed?
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Well, it doesn't matter; that will have rendered him 'armless.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
Hello John,

It seems crazy to me. For USD10k you could replicate it, i.e. make the
printing plates again. For a lot less you could make a replica using
modern methods.
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You could also do that for the "Blue Mauritius" stamp that is supposedly
worth millions. But then it's not an original.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote (in
<1sA7e.3490$dT4.3193@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>) about 'Need April 1965
issue of Electronics Magazine.', on Thu, 14 Apr 2005:
Hello John,

It seems crazy to me. For USD10k you could replicate it, i.e. make
the printing plates again. For a lot less you could make a replica
using modern methods.

You could also do that for the "Blue Mauritius" stamp that is
supposedly worth millions. But then it's not an original.

Indeed. It depends on what they want it for. It seems a bit odd for a
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commercial company to invest in a museum object these days.

--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:g8IcnawwYsXCFwNF@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

It seems crazy to me. For USD10k you could replicate it, i.e. make the
printing plates again. For a lot less you could make a replica using
modern methods.
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Agreed.

The written words are the quintessence, not the ink and paper itself.
 
John Woodgate (jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk) writes:
I read in sci.electronics.design that Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote (in
1sA7e.3490$dT4.3193@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>) about 'Need April 1965
issue of Electronics Magazine.', on Thu, 14 Apr 2005:
Hello John,

It seems crazy to me. For USD10k you could replicate it, i.e. make
the printing plates again. For a lot less you could make a replica
using modern methods.

You could also do that for the "Blue Mauritius" stamp that is
supposedly worth millions. But then it's not an original.

Indeed. It depends on what they want it for. It seems a bit odd for a
commercial company to invest in a museum object these days.
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Moore himself wants it, according to what I heard on NPR on Monday night.

It has nothing to do with wanting to know what he wrote back then, it's
everything to have the artifact in hand. I think the NPR piece said he'd
lost his copy, or lent it to someone. The cost goes up because so
many did not keep their copy.

All kinds of kids give away their toys and comic books when they grow
up (or their parents get rid of them), and then decades later they
want those memories back. But years later, the quantity is way
down because people have broken them, and thrown them away, so
those who want them have to compete. But since it's the memories
they want, substitutes do not work.

Michael
 
In article <d3nh5c$1k8$1@theodyn.ncf.ca>, et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
says...
John Woodgate (jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk) writes:
I read in sci.electronics.design that Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote (in
1sA7e.3490$dT4.3193@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>) about 'Need April 1965
issue of Electronics Magazine.', on Thu, 14 Apr 2005:
Hello John,

It seems crazy to me. For USD10k you could replicate it, i.e. make
the printing plates again. For a lot less you could make a replica
using modern methods.

You could also do that for the "Blue Mauritius" stamp that is
supposedly worth millions. But then it's not an original.

Indeed. It depends on what they want it for. It seems a bit odd for a
commercial company to invest in a museum object these days.


Moore himself wants it, according to what I heard on NPR on Monday night.

It has nothing to do with wanting to know what he wrote back then, it's
everything to have the artifact in hand. I think the NPR piece said he'd
lost his copy, or lent it to someone. The cost goes up because so
many did not keep their copy.
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Yep, and they're being stolen from libraries. The local (to where I am
now) library, UIUC's Granger Library, lost one of its copies in the
last couple of days. The other isn't for sale and is now under lock
and key.

All kinds of kids give away their toys and comic books when they grow
up (or their parents get rid of them), and then decades later they
want those memories back. But years later, the quantity is way
down because people have broken them, and thrown them away, so
those who want them have to compete. But since it's the memories
they want, substitutes do not work.
Click to expand...
I don't long for any of my old toys, and my wife still has her
*original* Barbie. OTOH, I wish I had all the "Transformers" my son
had over the years.

--
Keith
 
On 15 Apr 2005 07:17:02 -0700, the renowned tomcees_math@yahoo.com
wrote:

Hi:

Somewhere in my archives I do have a photocopy of the Moore article.
I'll check back here once I find it.
Tomcee

Daniel Haude wrote:
Hi. I mislaid my copy. Will pay $10 plus postage. Thanks. --Daniel
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Here it is:

ftp://download.intel.com/research/silicon/moorespaper.pdf

Please send the 7 EUR ...



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
 
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:35:28 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On 15 Apr 2005 07:17:02 -0700, the renowned tomcees_math@yahoo.com
wrote:

Hi:

Somewhere in my archives I do have a photocopy of the Moore article.
I'll check back here once I find it.
Tomcee

Daniel Haude wrote:
Hi. I mislaid my copy. Will pay $10 plus postage. Thanks. --Daniel

Here it is:

ftp://download.intel.com/research/silicon/moorespaper.pdf

Please send the 7 EUR ...
Click to expand...
Note the use of one-inch wafers. Monocrystalline silicon was so rare
in those days that there was a debate within Intel as to whether to
use uniform circular wafers, or irregular ones.

John
 
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:

Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:

dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:


Dirk Bruere at Neopax <d...@neopax.com> wrote:


That's where he said that computer power will double
every ten years,

Make that "number of transistors on a chip" and "every two
years" (later revised to 18 months, IIRC).


and 64K of memory will be more than
anyone will ever need.

Bill Gates, re: the IBM PC, not Moore, and "640K."


They are buying up all the copies in order to destroy the evidence.

Had your humorus removed?

--
Dirk


Sorry, missed it. My newsreader strips sarcasm.
Click to expand...
And my stripper who reads the news is sarcastic.
I get the better deal.

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org
 
Hello Michael,

.... But since it's the memories
they want, substitutes do not work.
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I just don't know why people place such value on earthly things. We
can't take them with us anyway.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com
 
John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:35:28 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:


On 15 Apr 2005 07:17:02 -0700, the renowned tomcees_math@yahoo.com
wrote:


Hi:

Somewhere in my archives I do have a photocopy of the Moore article.
I'll check back here once I find it.
Tomcee

Daniel Haude wrote:

Hi. I mislaid my copy. Will pay $10 plus postage. Thanks. --Daniel

Here it is:

ftp://download.intel.com/research/silicon/moorespaper.pdf

Please send the 7 EUR ...




Note the use of one-inch wafers. Monocrystalline silicon was so rare
in those days that there was a debate within Intel as to whether to
use uniform circular wafers, or irregular ones.
Click to expand...
I see that, like modern gurus, he did not attempt to look more than 10yrs into
the future for fear of his analysis being labelled 'science fiction'.

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org
 
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