NBN 1Gbps.???

[Don McKenzie]

Now I ask, what server will be able to deliver a download speed of 1Gbps, let alone have a network, and an individual PC
receive it at that speed? Am I missing something? I thinketh we will just be waiting 10 times as long!

Just watching Charlie Brown, the so-called tech-guru on Chan 9 today show.
He says Gillard is also offering the filter, and Abbott isn't. Telling us as if it is a concrete fact.

I doubt Charlie's credentials of being a guru somewhat, but why is he also pushing Gillard as bringing in the filter,
when other sources are now saying no?

http://www.filter-conroy.com/
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/08/five-ways-around-the-filter-in-two-minutes/

Cheers Don...



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[Trevor Wilson]

"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
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Now I ask, what server will be able to deliver a download speed of 1Gbps,
let alone have a network, and an individual PC receive it at that speed?
Am I missing something? I thinketh we will just be waiting 10 times as
long!

**That reminds of a question I asked a long time ago:

"What on Earth will I do with 20MB of storage?"

I have little doubt that the ends of the system will be enhanced to match
the pipes. Not this year. Maybe not next year, but certainly in the very
near future.


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[Mauried]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:04:25 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
news:8cj5hvF60iU1@mid.individual.net...

Now I ask, what server will be able to deliver a download speed of 1Gbps,
let alone have a network, and an individual PC receive it at that speed?
Am I missing something? I thinketh we will just be waiting 10 times as
long!

**That reminds of a question I asked a long time ago:

"What on Earth will I do with 20MB of storage?"

I have little doubt that the ends of the system will be enhanced to match
the pipes. Not this year. Maybe not next year, but certainly in the very
near future.


--
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www.rageaudio.com.au



Where are the ends of the system.

Will the undersea cables out of Australia be upgraded, and if so who
will pay for the upgrading.
Or will NBNco build us a new mega fast cable to the US.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Mauried" <mauried@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:04:25 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:


"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
news:8cj5hvF60iU1@mid.individual.net...

Now I ask, what server will be able to deliver a download speed of
1Gbps,
let alone have a network, and an individual PC receive it at that speed?
Am I missing something? I thinketh we will just be waiting 10 times as
long!

**That reminds of a question I asked a long time ago:

"What on Earth will I do with 20MB of storage?"

I have little doubt that the ends of the system will be enhanced to match
the pipes. Not this year. Maybe not next year, but certainly in the very
near future.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



Where are the ends of the system.
Will the undersea cables out of Australia be upgraded, and if so who
will pay for the upgrading.

**There are servers within Australia.

Or will NBNco build us a new mega fast cable to the US.

**Not absolutely necessary. The US is not the repository of all human
knowledge, much as many of the inhabitants think it does.

You need to think outside the box. The needs for a high speed internet
connection in the near future may not be the same as they are now. Here's a
few random probabilities:

* Your local video store will U/L the video you want in a few seconds. No
need to drive down the road to collect what you want, subscribe to Foxtel
and wait for their programming department or wait hours to obtain it via a
torrent source.
* Home video communication will be a reality.
* Video conferencing will alter business.
* Etc.


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[Don McKenzie]

On 13/08/2010 7:04 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Don McKenzie"<5V@2.5A> wrote in message
news:8cj5hvF60iU1@mid.individual.net...

Now I ask, what server will be able to deliver a download speed of 1Gbps,
let alone have a network, and an individual PC receive it at that speed?
Am I missing something? I thinketh we will just be waiting 10 times as
long!

**That reminds of a question I asked a long time ago:

"What on Earth will I do with 20MB of storage?"

Well Trevor, the way everything is written today, at a pinch, you may be able to add two numbers together. I remember
writing meaningful programs in less than 3FFHex bytes.

Reminds me of Bill Gates saying around 1980 (XT days), "Who could possibly use more than 640K of ram?"

I have little doubt that the ends of the system will be enhanced to match
the pipes. Not this year. Maybe not next year, but certainly in the very
near future.

I think the mistake that was made was not stating that the pipe is capable of 1Gbps. Yes it will be years before the
rest catches up, and when it does, it may well be time for a bypass operation.

Cheers Don...




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[Trevor Wilson]

"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
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On 13/08/2010 7:04 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Don McKenzie"<5V@2.5A> wrote in message
news:8cj5hvF60iU1@mid.individual.net...

Now I ask, what server will be able to deliver a download speed of
1Gbps,
let alone have a network, and an individual PC receive it at that speed?
Am I missing something? I thinketh we will just be waiting 10 times as
long!

**That reminds of a question I asked a long time ago:

"What on Earth will I do with 20MB of storage?"

Well Trevor, the way everything is written today, at a pinch, you may be
able to add two numbers together. I remember writing meaningful programs
in less than 3FFHex bytes.

Reminds me of Bill Gates saying around 1980 (XT days), "Who could possibly
use more than 640K of ram?"

I have little doubt that the ends of the system will be enhanced to match
the pipes. Not this year. Maybe not next year, but certainly in the very
near future.

I think the mistake that was made was not stating that the pipe is capable
of 1Gbps. Yes it will be years before the rest catches up, and when it
does, it may well be time for a bypass operation.

**"Years"? I doubt that very much. Demand for services will push the whole
thing along. No demand = no development of product. If the demand exists,
then product will be developed to match it. 1 Gbps network interfaces are
very common. It would seem that it is not a huge stretch to expect that
interfaces to a 1Gbps fibre is not too difficult to manage.


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[Don McKenzie]

On 13/08/2010 8:38 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Don McKenzie"<5V@2.5A> wrote in message

**"Years"? I doubt that very much. Demand for services will push the whole
thing along. No demand = no development of product. If the demand exists,
then product will be developed to match it. 1 Gbps network interfaces are
very common. It would seem that it is not a huge stretch to expect that
interfaces to a 1Gbps fibre is not too difficult to manage.

Will an individual server be capable of servicing many customers at once, at this speed (1Gbps), in the near future Trevor?

Cheers Don...


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[Trevor Wilson]

Don McKenzie wrote:

On 13/08/2010 8:38 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Don McKenzie"<5V@2.5A> wrote in message

**"Years"? I doubt that very much. Demand for services will push the
whole thing along. No demand = no development of product. If the
demand exists, then product will be developed to match it. 1 Gbps
network interfaces are very common. It would seem that it is not a
huge stretch to expect that interfaces to a 1Gbps fibre is not too
difficult to manage.

Will an individual server be capable of servicing many customers at
once, at this speed (1Gbps), in the near future Trevor?

**That would depend on the particular farm, wouldn't it? If, say, a movie
supplier was set up to provide movies to consumers, it would not be a
stretch for them to set up their system to provide such speeds.

Do you REALLY believe that 1Gbps is beyond the abilities of suppliers within
the next few years?


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[Don McKenzie]

On 13/08/2010 9:35 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

Don McKenzie wrote:
On 13/08/2010 8:38 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Don McKenzie"<5V@2.5A> wrote in message

**"Years"? I doubt that very much. Demand for services will push the
whole thing along. No demand = no development of product. If the
demand exists, then product will be developed to match it. 1 Gbps
network interfaces are very common. It would seem that it is not a
huge stretch to expect that interfaces to a 1Gbps fibre is not too
difficult to manage.

Will an individual server be capable of servicing many customers at
once, at this speed (1Gbps), in the near future Trevor?

**That would depend on the particular farm, wouldn't it? If, say, a movie
supplier was set up to provide movies to consumers, it would not be a
stretch for them to set up their system to provide such speeds.

Do you REALLY believe that 1Gbps is beyond the abilities of suppliers within
the next few years?

A video farm?
1 customer at 1Gbps?
100+ customers at 1Gbps?
1000+ customers at 1Gbps?
More?

This may be a big ask in the foreseeable future.

Cheers Don...




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[Don McKenzie]

On 13/08/2010 10:57 AM, terryc wrote:

The internet currently has the technology(multicast) built in to supply
the same signal to as many of more customers at the same time. It is just
a matter of receiving software and probably upgrading some intermediate
boxen (if that).

Let's have a look at the current world wide bandwidth stats:
http://www.netindex.com/download/allcountries/

South Korea has the best figures in the world:
http://www.netindex.com/download/2,89/South-Korea/
which is 32.22 Mbps.

I feel the biggest bottleneck will be disk I/O speeds, but they will get much better over a period of time as SSD
technology takes over.

Cheers Don...





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[Trevor Wilson]

"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
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On 13/08/2010 9:35 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Don McKenzie wrote:
On 13/08/2010 8:38 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Don McKenzie"<5V@2.5A> wrote in message

**"Years"? I doubt that very much. Demand for services will push the
whole thing along. No demand = no development of product. If the
demand exists, then product will be developed to match it. 1 Gbps
network interfaces are very common. It would seem that it is not a
huge stretch to expect that interfaces to a 1Gbps fibre is not too
difficult to manage.

Will an individual server be capable of servicing many customers at
once, at this speed (1Gbps), in the near future Trevor?

**That would depend on the particular farm, wouldn't it? If, say, a movie
supplier was set up to provide movies to consumers, it would not be a
stretch for them to set up their system to provide such speeds.

Do you REALLY believe that 1Gbps is beyond the abilities of suppliers
within
the next few years?

A video farm?

**Server farm.

1 customer at 1Gbps?

**Easy.

100+ customers at 1Gbps?

**Peak speeds of 1Gbps? Sure.

1000+ customers at 1Gbps?

**Peak speeds of 1Gbps? Sure.

More?

**Very likely, yes.

This may be a big ask in the foreseeable future.

**Really? What's the bandwidth of fibre? 500THz? Higher? There is
considerable room for growth in a fibre network over the next few decades.


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[terryc]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:38:30 +1000, Don McKenzie wrote:

Do you REALLY believe that 1Gbps is beyond the abilities of suppliers
within the next few years?

A video farm?
1 customer at 1Gbps?
100+ customers at 1Gbps?
1000+ customers at 1Gbps?
More?

This may be a big ask in the foreseeable future.

Look at it from the customers viewpoint. Do they really require delivery
at that speed? IMU current highest quality movies require 8Gb which will
take eight seconds to deliver. So allowing 10secs per movie, roughly 720
customers could receive the movie in the two hour time it takes to play
on a 1GBps pipe from the supplier.

The internet currently has the technology(multicast) built in to supply
the same signal to as many of more customers at the same time. It is just
a matter of receiving software and probably upgrading some intermediate
boxen (if that).

 

[Barry]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:57:39 +1000, Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote:

Now I ask, what server will be able to deliver a download speed of 1Gbps, let alone have a network, and an individual PC
receive it at that speed? Am I missing something? I thinketh we will just be waiting 10 times as long!

All new computers have gigabit ethernet.
The NBN is up to 100Mbs, or 0.1Gbps.

 

[Arm's Length]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:23:19 +1000
Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote:

Reminds me of Bill Gates saying around 1980 (XT days), "Who could
possibly use more than 640K of ram?"

Although I am no fan of Billy the Goat (Bill Gates), I have to say that
according to the Wikiquotes site relative to Bill Gates I find this
purported attribution being refuted this wise under the heading
Misattributed:

* 640K ought to be enough for anybody.
- Often attributed to Gates in 1981. Gates considered the IBM
PC's 640kB program memory a significant breakthrough over
8-bit systems that were typically limited to 64kB, but he has
denied making this remark. Also see the 1989 and 1993 remarks
above. I've said some stupid things and some wrong things,
but not that. No one involved in computers would ever say
that a certain amount of memory is enough for all time … I
keep bumping into that silly quotation attributed to me that
says 640K of memory is enough. There's never a citation; the
quotation just floats like a rumor, repeated again and again.

Following is a link to the actual page:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bill_Gates

 

[John Tserkezis]

Don McKenzie wrote:

A video farm?
1 customer at 1Gbps?
100+ customers at 1Gbps?
1000+ customers at 1Gbps?
More?

This may be a big ask in the foreseeable future.

They forgot to add the bandwidth equivalent of "PMPO".
When you specify "up to" you absolve your responsibility of actually
supplying that much.

Remember when Telstra was advertising their 12Mbit wireless USB dongles
a while back?
Before they even upgraded their network equipment that was capable of that?

I have doubts at all with the infrastructure they'll be serving out
will actually be capable of 1Gb/s AT ALL. After all, when they say "up
to", they're allowed to leave out the test conditions of a single user
per server.
Entirely unrealistic under normal use, but they're not lying because
they meet their test conditions.

Too bad the general population have no clue about what to ask, to call
them on their bluff...

As I was told by a Marantz sales rep some time back when quizzing him
on the usefulness of their 256 times oversampling CD player.

"People don't buy CD players, they buy numbers".
--
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[Rod Speed]

Don McKenzie wrote:

Now I ask, what server will be able to deliver a download speed of 1Gbps, let alone have a network, and an individual
PC receive it at that speed? Am I missing something?

Yes, no one ever said anything about a download speed of 1Gbps.

I thinketh we will just be waiting 10 times as long!

Just watching Charlie Brown, the so-called tech-guru on Chan 9 today show. He says Gillard is also offering the
filter, and Abbott isn't. Telling us as if it is a concrete fact.

What do you expect from the today show ?

I doubt Charlie's credentials of being a guru somewhat, but why is he also pushing Gillard as bringing in the filter,
when other sources are now saying no?

Conroy isnt saying that.

http://www.filter-conroy.com/
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/08/five-ways-around-the-filter-in-two-minutes/

 

[terryc]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:10:00 +1000, Don McKenzie wrote:

I feel the biggest bottleneck will be disk I/O speeds, but they will get
much better over a period of time as SSD technology takes over.

Server disk I/O will be fine and there is always solid state. Priced any
ramm chips lately.

Additionally, server farms are real old technology.

 

[keithr]

On 13/08/2010 11:10 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

On 13/08/2010 10:57 AM, terryc wrote:

The internet currently has the technology(multicast) built in to supply
the same signal to as many of more customers at the same time. It is just
a matter of receiving software and probably upgrading some intermediate
boxen (if that).

Let's have a look at the current world wide bandwidth stats:
http://www.netindex.com/download/allcountries/

South Korea has the best figures in the world:
http://www.netindex.com/download/2,89/South-Korea/
which is 32.22 Mbps.

I feel the biggest bottleneck will be disk I/O speeds, but they will get
much better over a period of time as SSD technology takes over.

Cheers Don...

The company that I work for make big storage servers. By big I mean
hundred to thousands of drives in a box. The drives can range from SSDs,
to 15K rpm fibre channel, to 7.2K rpm SATA drives depending on the the
required speed of access to the data. Each box is capable of servicing
up to 64 1 gig ethernet or 4 gig fibre channel connections
simultaneously. You just stripe your data across many drives and put in
a big cache (up to 256 gig of mirrored RAM).

The problem with how people look at the NBN is that they only consider
home PCs, but business will be the main beneficiary.

 

[will s]

"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
news:8cj5hvF60iU1@mid.individual.net...

Now I ask, what server will be able to deliver a download speed of 1Gbps,
let alone have a network, and an individual PC receive it at that speed?
Am I missing something? I thinketh we will just be waiting 10 times as
long!

its future proof


and its just not computers but TV's will be a big user...... instead of
going to a video store you will be able hire over the net and watch whilst
downloading

the last thing we would want is a system that will be maxed out as soon as
it starts

 

[John Tserkezis]

keithr wrote:

The problem with how people look at the NBN is that they only consider
home PCs, but business will be the main beneficiary.

Yes, but the home users are going to be paying for it too, remember?
Once you factor in network contention (not supplimenting the existing
fibre) it's going to run nominally a bit faster that what it is now.

And I should hope so, after all, we're going to pay a bucketful for it...
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