Nano Spring Cap/Batteries/Explosives

[Bret Cahill]

Stretched carbon nano tubes store energy at the same ratio to weight
as liquid fuel. Considering the mass of the air or O2 necessary for
combustion of the liquid fuel it's more than 3X higher.

Because the energy density could be one or more orders of magnitude
higher than anything possible with a fuel - air explosion the biggest
problem might be making sure nothing ever failed with a battery larger
than a few micrograms when people were around.

The release of heat alone would make it impossible to limit the
explosion to one part of the battery.

Would it be possible to stretch or compress carbon nano tubes or
similar perfect atomic scale structures electronically while not
adding too much weight or volume to the design?


Bret Cahill

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:22:25 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill
<BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

Stretched carbon nano tubes store energy at the same ratio to weight
as liquid fuel. Considering the mass of the air or O2 necessary for
combustion of the liquid fuel it's more than 3X higher.

Because the energy density could be one or more orders of magnitude
higher than anything possible with a fuel - air explosion the biggest
problem might be making sure nothing ever failed with a battery larger
than a few micrograms when people were around.

The release of heat alone would make it impossible to limit the
explosion to one part of the battery.

Would it be possible to stretch or compress carbon nano tubes or
similar perfect atomic scale structures electronically while not
adding too much weight or volume to the design?


Bret Cahill

Sounds like we could fly the equivalent of runner-band-powered
airplanes.


--

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jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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[Bret Cahill]

Stretched carbon nano tubes store energy at the same ratio to weight
as liquid fuel.  Considering the mass of the air or O2 necessary for
combustion of the liquid fuel it's more than 3X higher.

Because the energy density could be one or more orders of magnitude
higher than anything possible with a fuel - air explosion the biggest
problem might be making sure nothing ever failed with a battery larger
than a few micrograms when people were around.

The release of heat alone would make it impossible to limit the
explosion to one part of the battery.

Would it be possible to stretch or compress carbon nano tubes or
similar perfect atomic scale structures electronically while not
adding too much weight or volume to the design?

Bret Cahill

Sounds like we could fly the equivalent of runner-band-powered
airplanes.

If anything went wrong -- electrical, mechanical or electro mechanical
versions -- the release of heat would detonate the rest of the battery
and release _all_ of the energy all at once destroying everything
anywhere nearby.

Without combustion, high density energy storage should be considered a
daunting in not impossible problem.


Bret Cahill

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

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[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:44:45 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:22:25 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill
BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

Stretched carbon nano tubes store energy at the same ratio to weight
as liquid fuel. Considering the mass of the air or O2 necessary for
combustion of the liquid fuel it's more than 3X higher.

Because the energy density could be one or more orders of magnitude
higher than anything possible with a fuel - air explosion the biggest
problem might be making sure nothing ever failed with a battery larger
than a few micrograms when people were around.

The release of heat alone would make it impossible to limit the
explosion to one part of the battery.

Would it be possible to stretch or compress carbon nano tubes or
similar perfect atomic scale structures electronically while not
adding too much weight or volume to the design?


Bret Cahill




Sounds like we could fly the equivalent of runner-band-powered
airplanes.

"runner"-band-powered? See! I told you that Larkin was the one
becoming senile, not me ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:48:16 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:44:45 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:22:25 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill
BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

Stretched carbon nano tubes store energy at the same ratio to weight
as liquid fuel. Considering the mass of the air or O2 necessary for
combustion of the liquid fuel it's more than 3X higher.

Because the energy density could be one or more orders of magnitude
higher than anything possible with a fuel - air explosion the biggest
problem might be making sure nothing ever failed with a battery larger
than a few micrograms when people were around.

The release of heat alone would make it impossible to limit the
explosion to one part of the battery.

Would it be possible to stretch or compress carbon nano tubes or
similar perfect atomic scale structures electronically while not
adding too much weight or volume to the design?


Bret Cahill




Sounds like we could fly the equivalent of runner-band-powered
airplanes.

"runner"-band-powered? See! I told you that Larkin was the one
becoming senile, not me ;-)

...Jim Thompson

So now you are my spell-checker. Little old ladies like to do that,
but they usually join the teachers' union first.

Why don't you try to design a good fast current source? I can send you
a copy of AoE to get you started on fundamentals.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 10:15:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:48:16 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:44:45 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:22:25 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill
BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

Stretched carbon nano tubes store energy at the same ratio to weight
as liquid fuel. Considering the mass of the air or O2 necessary for
combustion of the liquid fuel it's more than 3X higher.

Because the energy density could be one or more orders of magnitude
higher than anything possible with a fuel - air explosion the biggest
problem might be making sure nothing ever failed with a battery larger
than a few micrograms when people were around.

The release of heat alone would make it impossible to limit the
explosion to one part of the battery.

Would it be possible to stretch or compress carbon nano tubes or
similar perfect atomic scale structures electronically while not
adding too much weight or volume to the design?


Bret Cahill




Sounds like we could fly the equivalent of runner-band-powered
airplanes.

"runner"-band-powered? See! I told you that Larkin was the one
becoming senile, not me ;-)

...Jim Thompson

So now you are my spell-checker. Little old ladies like to do that,
but they usually join the teachers' union first.

Why don't you try to design a good fast current source? I can send you
a copy of AoE to get you started on fundamentals.

Cretin. Where's the one you claimed your wonderful success... that
you swore you would show? Sweating to find something that doesn't
show that you obviously copied Bartoli's work ? You probably have
your paeans working overtime this weekend to help the "boss" escape
scrutiny.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, CTO | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Bret Cahill]

Stretched carbon nano tubes store energy at the same ratio to weight
as liquid fuel.  Considering the mass of the air or O2 necessary for
combustion of the liquid fuel it's more than 3X higher.

Because the energy density could be one or more orders of magnitude
higher than anything possible with a fuel - air explosion the biggest
problem might be making sure nothing ever failed with a battery larger
than a few micrograms when people were around.

The release of heat alone would make it impossible to limit the
explosion to one part of the battery.

Would it be possible to stretch or compress carbon nano tubes or
similar perfect atomic scale structures electronically while not
adding too much weight or volume to the design?

Probably not.

The only thing that'll work is combustion.


Bret Cahill

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:23:32 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill
<BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

Stretched carbon nano tubes store energy at the same ratio to weight
as liquid fuel.  Considering the mass of the air or O2 necessary for
combustion of the liquid fuel it's more than 3X higher.

Because the energy density could be one or more orders of magnitude
higher than anything possible with a fuel - air explosion the biggest
problem might be making sure nothing ever failed with a battery larger
than a few micrograms when people were around.

The release of heat alone would make it impossible to limit the
explosion to one part of the battery.

Would it be possible to stretch or compress carbon nano tubes or
similar perfect atomic scale structures electronically while not
adding too much weight or volume to the design?

Bret Cahill

Sounds like we could fly the equivalent of runner-band-powered
airplanes.

If anything went wrong -- electrical, mechanical or electro mechanical
versions -- the release of heat would detonate the rest of the battery
and release _all_ of the energy all at once destroying everything
anywhere nearby.

That's what airplanes do now.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:06:20 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 10:15:23 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:48:16 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:44:45 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:22:25 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill
BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

Stretched carbon nano tubes store energy at the same ratio to weight
as liquid fuel. Considering the mass of the air or O2 necessary for
combustion of the liquid fuel it's more than 3X higher.

Because the energy density could be one or more orders of magnitude
higher than anything possible with a fuel - air explosion the biggest
problem might be making sure nothing ever failed with a battery larger
than a few micrograms when people were around.

The release of heat alone would make it impossible to limit the
explosion to one part of the battery.

Would it be possible to stretch or compress carbon nano tubes or
similar perfect atomic scale structures electronically while not
adding too much weight or volume to the design?


Bret Cahill




Sounds like we could fly the equivalent of runner-band-powered
airplanes.

"runner"-band-powered? See! I told you that Larkin was the one
becoming senile, not me ;-)

...Jim Thompson

So now you are my spell-checker. Little old ladies like to do that,
but they usually join the teachers' union first.

Why don't you try to design a good fast current source? I can send you
a copy of AoE to get you started on fundamentals.

Cretin. Where's the one you claimed your wonderful success... that
you swore you would show? Sweating to find something that doesn't
show that you obviously copied Bartoli's work ? You probably have
your paeans working overtime this weekend to help the "boss" escape
scrutiny.

...Jim Thompson

I've posted a bunch of current source circuits. My latest was the
small-geometry pfet with a bootstrapped resistor in its drain, which I
think is pretty cute.

So far, you've whined a lot and posted nothing. I don't think you can
any more.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

 

[Bret Cahill]

On Sep 1, 1:52 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:23:32 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill





BretCah...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Stretched carbon nano tubes store energy at the same ratio to weight
as liquid fuel.  Considering the mass of the air or O2 necessary for
combustion of the liquid fuel it's more than 3X higher.

Because the energy density could be one or more orders of magnitude
higher than anything possible with a fuel - air explosion the biggest
problem might be making sure nothing ever failed with a battery larger
than a few micrograms when people were around.

The release of heat alone would make it impossible to limit the
explosion to one part of the battery.

Would it be possible to stretch or compress carbon nano tubes or
similar perfect atomic scale structures electronically while not
adding too much weight or volume to the design?

Bret Cahill

Sounds like we could fly the equivalent of runner-band-powered
airplanes.

If anything went wrong -- electrical, mechanical or electro mechanical
versions -- the release of heat would detonate the rest of the battery
and release _all_ of the energy all at once destroying everything
anywhere nearby.

That's what airplanes do now.

"Anything" going wrong meant a tiny fraction of the battery or cap.,
not an entire fuel tank getting demolished in a high speed crash that
would kill everyone onboard anyway.

The only solution, however, would need to be something like an
aircraft dumping fuel before a crash.

The structure must be designed with holes everywhere so any energy
releasing area will always fling itself free of the rest of the
battery/cap and at worst only take small nearby areas with it.

That way it could have thousands of nano failures/ second and only an
outside containment vessel would get warm.

The escape holes might lower energy density to the point of being self
defeating so it's probable some kind of low or high temp. combustion
will always be involved in most personal transportation.


Bret Cahill