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Facts from basic electronics : boolean logic:
With a million NAND gates I can make a computer.
With a million XOR exclusive OR gates, nobody can build one NAND
gate.
 
On May 2, 9:45 pm, Globemaker <alanfolms...@cabanova.com> wrote:
Facts from basic electronics : boolean logic:
With a million NAND gates I can make a computer.
With a million XOR exclusive OR gates, nobody can build one NAND
gate.
Click to expand...
NOR?
 
On May 2, 11:26 pm, George Herold <gher...@teachspin.com> wrote:
On May 2, 9:45 pm, Globemaker <alanfolms...@cabanova.com> wrote:

Facts from basic electronics : boolean logic:
With a million NAND gates I can make a computer.
With a million XOR exclusive OR gates, nobody can build one NAND
gate.

NOR?
Click to expand...
Neither AND NOR OR equals the full power of the NAND.

Time is money.
Knowledge is power.
Energy is power multiplied by time.
Time is as imaginary as the square root of minus one.
Money is the energy of imagination divided among the knowledgeable.

Stated mathematically, this becomes:

t = $
k = P
E = Pt
t = t(i)
E(i) = P$
E(i) = $k
$ = E(i)/k
 
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On May 2, 11:26 pm, George Herold <gher...@teachspin.com> wrote:
On May 2, 9:45 pm, Globemaker <alanfolms...@cabanova.com> wrote:

Facts from basic electronics : boolean logic:
With a million NAND gates I can make a computer.
With a million XOR exclusive OR gates, nobody can build one NAND
gate.

NOR?
Click to expand...
| Neither AND NOR OR equals the full power of the NAND.
|
| Time is money.
| Knowledge is power.
| Energy is power multiplied by time.
| Time is as imaginary as the square root of minus one.
| Money is the energy of imagination divided among the knowledgeable.
|
| Stated mathematically, this becomes:
|
| t = $
| k = P
| E = Pt
| t = t(i)
| E(i) = P$
| E(i) = $k
| $ = E(i)/k

If you really understood the mathematics of Boolean you'd know NAND and NOR
to have the same power.

petrus bitbyter
 
"Globemaker" <alanfolmsbee@cabanova.com> schreef in bericht
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If you really understood the mathematics of Boolean you'd know NAND and
NOR
to have the same power.

petrus bitbyter

power, Power? POWER!!!?

No, my friend, power is VI. Logic is not Energy/time. NOR USB Flash
drives would have used more power wastefully because hole mobility is
less than electron mobility.

The CMOS circuits use NMOS NAND structures because electron mobility
in silicon is 1200 cm^2 per (volt*second). Hole mobility is 3 times
lower! If NOR memory arrays had been used for USB Flash drives, the
PMOS stack in the NOR array would be 3 times as large, with 3 times
the capacitance. Power of capacitive loads is 1/2fCV^2 where f is the
frequency of switching on and off a memory cell. C is the capacitance
of the PMOS drain/source capacitance plus parasitics. V is about 1.2
volts for modern silicon chips.

The power of NOR is not the same as the power of NAND. But the logic
has the same capabilities. With one million NOR gates , I could build
a computer.
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You seem to understand... almost. I did not mean electrical power a meant
logic power. You're speaking of NAND because off the logic "true" used to be
connected to a high signal value. That's named positive logic. From the
mathematical side there's no reason to do so. Negative logic is as valid as
positive logic. Consider the "active low" I/Os or even better, consider the
Morgans theorem.

petrus bitbyter
 
On May 3, 5:01 am, "petrus bitbyter" <petrus.bitby...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Globemaker" <alanfolms...@cabanova.com> schreef in berichtnews:73bb7ee7-0e43-421d-b3e2-d9988ecf6b85@hd10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
On May 2, 11:26 pm, George Herold <gher...@teachspin.com> wrote:

On May 2, 9:45 pm, Globemaker <alanfolms...@cabanova.com> wrote:

Facts from basic electronics : boolean logic:
With a million NAND gates I can make a computer.
With a million XOR exclusive OR gates, nobody can build one NAND
gate.

NOR?

| Neither AND NOR OR equals the full power of the NAND.
|
| Time is money.
| Knowledge is power.
| Energy is power multiplied by time.
| Time is as imaginary as the square root of minus one.
| Money is the energy of imagination divided among the knowledgeable.
|
| Stated mathematically, this becomes:
|
| t = $
| k = P
| E = Pt
| t = t(i)
| E(i) = P$
| E(i) = $k
| $ = E(i)/k

If you really understood the mathematics of Boolean you'd know NAND and NOR
to have the same power.

petrus bitbyter
Click to expand...
NAND FLASH HEADLINE :

$7,000,000,000 NAND USB FLASH MEMORY DRIVE SALES IN 2010 !!!!
$0 nor flash usb memory sales , ha ha ha ...

NOR was was loser logic in 2010, because of power dissipation choices
by design engineers. Why waste electricity with NOR? Do you want to
burn 10,000,000 tons of oil powering NOR just for affirmative action
in logic? DEMORGANIZE TODAY!
 
If you really understood the mathematics of Boolean you'd know NAND and NOR
to have the same power.

petrus bitbyter
Click to expand...
power, Power? POWER!!!?

No, my friend, power is VI. Logic is not Energy/time. NOR USB Flash
drives would have used more power wastefully because hole mobility is
less than electron mobility.

The CMOS circuits use NMOS NAND structures because electron mobility
in silicon is 1200 cm^2 per (volt*second). Hole mobility is 3 times
lower! If NOR memory arrays had been used for USB Flash drives, the
PMOS stack in the NOR array would be 3 times as large, with 3 times
the capacitance. Power of capacitive loads is 1/2fCV^2 where f is the
frequency of switching on and off a memory cell. C is the capacitance
of the PMOS drain/source capacitance plus parasitics. V is about 1.2
volts for modern silicon chips.

The power of NOR is not the same as the power of NAND. But the logic
has the same capabilities. With one million NOR gates , I could build
a computer.
 
"Globemaker" <alanfolmsbee@cabanova.com> schreef in bericht
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You seem to understand... almost. I did not mean electrical power :
petrus bitbyter

almost, Almost? ALMOST!!!?
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Er, well that was my first impression. Seeing you named my "logic power"
"logic capabilities" I guess we agree about that.

petrus bitbyter
 
petrus bitbyter wrote:
"Globemaker" <alanfolmsbee@cabanova.com> schreef in bericht
On May 2, 11:26 pm, George Herold <gher...@teachspin.com> wrote:
On May 2, 9:45 pm, Globemaker <alanfolms...@cabanova.com> wrote:

Facts from basic electronics : boolean logic:
With a million NAND gates I can make a computer.
With a million XOR exclusive OR gates, nobody can build one NAND
gate.

NOR?

| Neither AND NOR OR equals the full power of the NAND.
|
| Time is money.
| Knowledge is power.
| Energy is power multiplied by time.
| Time is as imaginary as the square root of minus one.
| Money is the energy of imagination divided among the knowledgeable.
|
| Stated mathematically, this becomes:
|
| t = $
| k = P
| E = Pt
| t = t(i)
| E(i) = P$
| E(i) = $k
| $ = E(i)/k

If you really understood the mathematics of Boolean you'd know NAND and
NOR to have the same power.

Geeze! This is BASICS!. Can we quit ragging on the newbies and actually
Click to expand...
_encourage_ their questions?

We were all newbies once, you know.

Thanks,
Rich
 
Globemaker wrote:
You seem to understand... almost. I did not mean electrical power :
petrus bitbyter

almost, Almost? ALMOST!!!?
Click to expand...
Well, now, you're just trolling.
 
Globemaker wrote:
You seem to understand... almost. I did not mean electrical power : petrus bitbyter

almost, Almost? ALMOST!!!?
Click to expand...

Go troll somewhere else, loser.


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.
 
Globemaker wrote:
On May 3, 1:33 pm, Rich Grise <ri...@example.net.invalid> wrote:
Globemaker wrote:

You seem to understand... almost. I did not mean electrical power :
petrus bitbyter

almost, Almost? ALMOST!!!?

Well, now, you're just trolling.

I am sorry. I pushed the wrong button on my keyboard and that got
posted twice before the paragraph was done. I apologize. My mistake.
NOR is good, too.
Click to expand...
OK, apology accepted. :)

Cheers!
Rich
 
On May 3, 1:33 pm, Rich Grise <ri...@example.net.invalid> wrote:
Globemaker wrote:

You seem to understand... almost. I did not mean electrical power :
petrus bitbyter

almost, Almost? ALMOST!!!?

Well, now, you're just trolling.
Click to expand...
I am sorry. I pushed the wrong button on my keyboard and that got
posted twice before the paragraph was done. I apologize. My mistake.
NOR is good, too.
 
On Tue, 3 May 2011 05:12:51 -0700 (PDT), Globemaker
<alanfolmsbee@cabanova.com> wrote:

You seem to understand... almost. I did not mean electrical power : petrus bitbyter

almost, Almost? ALMOST!!!?
Click to expand...
Right, but he's giving you *way* too much benefit of doubt.
 
On May 3, 2:03 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Globemaker wrote:

You seem to understand... almost. I did not mean electrical power : petrus bitbyter

almost, Almost? ALMOST!!!?

   Go troll somewhere else, loser.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.
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CHECK IT OUT YOU ARE LIKE A COP CALLING ANOTHER FLATFOOT.
THE ONLY GATE YOU WILL BE CROSSING IS THE GATES OF HELL.

TGITM
 
On May 3, 6:48 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz>
wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2011 05:12:51 -0700 (PDT), Globemaker

alanfolms...@cabanova.com> wrote:

You seem to understand... almost. I did not mean electrical power : petrus bitbyter

almost, Almost? ALMOST!!!?

Right, but he's giving you *way* too much benefit of doubt.
Click to expand...
WHAT'S UP TROLL, HAVEN'T GOT OVER YOUR LOVERBOY YET?
THE ONLY GATE YOU'LL BE CROSSING IS THE GATE OF HELL.
YOU FILTHY LOWLIFE HACK!

TGITM
 
On May 3, 6:45 am, Globemaker <alanfolms...@cabanova.com> wrote:
Facts from basic electronics : boolean logic:
With a million NAND gates I can make a computer.
With a million XOR exclusive OR gates, nobody can build one NAND
gate.
Click to expand...
It is becoz NAND gates are termed as universal gates,but can i get the
answer Why NAND gates can't be produced with XOR?
 
On May 3, 3:28 pm, Globemaker <alanfolms...@cabanova.com> wrote:
On May 3, 5:01 am, "petrus bitbyter" <petrus.bitby...@hotmail.com
wrote:



"Globemaker" <alanfolms...@cabanova.com> schreef in berichtnews:73bb7ee7-0e43-421d-b3e2-d9988ecf6b85@hd10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
On May 2, 11:26 pm, George Herold <gher...@teachspin.com> wrote:

On May 2, 9:45 pm, Globemaker <alanfolms...@cabanova.com> wrote:

Facts from basic electronics : boolean logic:
With a million NAND gates I can make a computer.
With a million XOR exclusive OR gates, nobody can build one NAND
gate.

NOR?

| Neither AND NOR OR equals the full power of the NAND.
|
| Time is money.
| Knowledge is power.
| Energy is power multiplied by time.
| Time is as imaginary as the square root of minus one.
| Money is the energy of imagination divided among the knowledgeable.
|
| Stated mathematically, this becomes:
|
| t = $
| k = P
| E = Pt
| t = t(i)
| E(i) = P$
| E(i) = $k
| $ = E(i)/k

If you really understood the mathematics of Boolean you'd know NAND and NOR
to have the same power.

petrus bitbyter

NAND FLASH HEADLINE :

$7,000,000,000 NAND USB FLASH MEMORY DRIVE SALES IN 2010 !!!!
$0 nor flash usb memory sales , ha ha ha ...

NOR was was loser logic in 2010, because of power dissipation choices
by design engineers. Why waste electricity with NOR? Do you want to
burn 10,000,000 tons of oil powering NOR just for affirmative action
in logic? DEMORGANIZE TODAY!
Click to expand...
Can u plz tel me Why the NOR gates consumes more power than the NAND
gates,even though both are UNIVERSAL GATES?
 
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