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Anthony William Sloman
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On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn\'t either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
Musk doesn\'t seem to know as much as he might, but formal education can\'t be relied on to inculcate that. Flyguy assures us that he has a bachelors and a master degree in some STEM subject or other and he\'s remarkably ignorant (and self-confident with it). John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn\'t either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
Musk doesn\'t seem to know as much as he might, but formal education can\'t be relied on to inculcate that. Flyguy assures us that he has a bachelors and a master degree in some STEM subject or other and he\'s remarkably ignorant (and self-confident with it). John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
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John Larkin
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 16:18:21 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
That puts him about $200 billion above the average college grad.
I bet he has no student loan debts either.
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
That puts him about $200 billion above the average college grad.
I bet he has no student loan debts either.
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Fred Bloggs
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On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:41:54 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
This isn\'t 1870 anymore, or haven\'t you noticed.
Apparently his phony credentials, almost at the level of making him a prodigy, were important enough for Musk to lie about them. Why? To rook investors by misleading them into thinking their investment was in good hands.
Did I make any such claim? Do you understand the distinction between necessity and sufficiency? Necessity is a condition that\'s always present for an outcome, whether it made the outcome happen or not. Sufficiency is a condition that alone makes an outcome happen.
Outcome happens -> necessary condition present
Sufficient condition present -> outcome happens
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn\'t either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
This isn\'t 1870 anymore, or haven\'t you noticed.
Apparently his phony credentials, almost at the level of making him a prodigy, were important enough for Musk to lie about them. Why? To rook investors by misleading them into thinking their investment was in good hands.
Musk doesn\'t seem to know as much as he might, but formal education can\'t be relied on to inculcate that. Flyguy assures us that he has a bachelors and a master degree in some STEM subject or other and he\'s remarkably ignorant (and self-confident with it). John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
Did I make any such claim? Do you understand the distinction between necessity and sufficiency? Necessity is a condition that\'s always present for an outcome, whether it made the outcome happen or not. Sufficiency is a condition that alone makes an outcome happen.
Outcome happens -> necessary condition present
Sufficient condition present -> outcome happens
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:47:20 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
You\'d be worth that too if you ran businesses that were as heavily government subsidized as his.
On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 16:18:21 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
That puts him about $200 billion above the average college grad.
I bet he has no student loan debts either.
You\'d be worth that too if you ran businesses that were as heavily government subsidized as his.
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Anthony William Sloman
Guest
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 12:55:40 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Is that relevant? There\'s more to learn now, but there was quite a bit around to learn even back then.
You didn\'t make any claim at all - you just posted a link to a website that didn\'t say any more than your subject lilne.
That is one of the distinctions that was hammered home early in my university education, not that I needed the extra information since my parents had used the idea a lot.
You\'ve got to have made some kind of claim before there\'s any point in pontificating about necessary and sufficient conditions.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:41:54 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn\'t either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
This isn\'t 1870 anymore, or haven\'t you noticed.
Is that relevant? There\'s more to learn now, but there was quite a bit around to learn even back then.
Apparently his phony credentials, almost at the level of making him a prodigy, were important enough for Musk to lie about them. Why? To rook investors by misleading them into thinking their investment was in good hands.
Musk doesn\'t seem to know as much as he might, but formal education can\'t be relied on to inculcate that. Flyguy assures us that he has a bachelors and a master degree in some STEM subject or other and he\'s remarkably ignorant (and self-confident with it). John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
Did I make any such claim?
You didn\'t make any claim at all - you just posted a link to a website that didn\'t say any more than your subject lilne.
Do you understand the distinction between necessity and sufficiency? Necessity is a condition that\'s always present for an outcome, whether it made the outcome happen or not. Sufficiency is a condition that alone makes an outcome happen.
Outcome happens -> necessary condition present
Sufficient condition present -> outcome happens.
That is one of the distinctions that was hammered home early in my university education, not that I needed the extra information since my parents had used the idea a lot.
You\'ve got to have made some kind of claim before there\'s any point in pontificating about necessary and sufficient conditions.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Anthony William Sloman
Guest
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 12:59:52 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
John Larkin claims to have supplied the timing gear for US National Laser Fusion Facility.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Ignition_Facility
That\'s entirely US government funded.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:47:20 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 16:18:21 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
That puts him about $200 billion above the average college grad.
I bet he has no student loan debts either.
You\'d be worth that too if you ran businesses that were as heavily government subsidized as his.
John Larkin claims to have supplied the timing gear for US National Laser Fusion Facility.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Ignition_Facility
That\'s entirely US government funded.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Fred Bloggs
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On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:25:27 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
Exactly. So why are you chiming in with this lecture about formal education not being a sufficient condition for success in a technical career?
Who does this sound like?
This has turned out to be yet another of his failures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company#Promotional_merchandise
They\'re in the process of packing up what little bit they\'ve actually made.
Oooooh- the HYPER-loop- sounds so SciFi....
A lot of the investment people fall back on the \"...by Musk\'s calculations....\" mantra. That balloon has popped, it\'s a friggin joke actually.
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 12:55:40 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:41:54 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn\'t either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
This isn\'t 1870 anymore, or haven\'t you noticed.
Is that relevant? There\'s more to learn now, but there was quite a bit around to learn even back then.
Apparently his phony credentials, almost at the level of making him a prodigy, were important enough for Musk to lie about them. Why? To rook investors by misleading them into thinking their investment was in good hands.
Musk doesn\'t seem to know as much as he might, but formal education can\'t be relied on to inculcate that. Flyguy assures us that he has a bachelors and a master degree in some STEM subject or other and he\'s remarkably ignorant (and self-confident with it). John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
Did I make any such claim?
You didn\'t make any claim at all - you just posted a link to a website that didn\'t say any more than your subject lilne.
Exactly. So why are you chiming in with this lecture about formal education not being a sufficient condition for success in a technical career?
Do you understand the distinction between necessity and sufficiency? Necessity is a condition that\'s always present for an outcome, whether it made the outcome happen or not. Sufficiency is a condition that alone makes an outcome happen.
Outcome happens -> necessary condition present
Sufficient condition present -> outcome happens.
That is one of the distinctions that was hammered home early in my university education, not that I needed the extra information since my parents had used the idea a lot.
You\'ve got to have made some kind of claim before there\'s any point in pontificating about necessary and sufficient conditions.
Who does this sound like?
This has turned out to be yet another of his failures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company#Promotional_merchandise
They\'re in the process of packing up what little bit they\'ve actually made.
Oooooh- the HYPER-loop- sounds so SciFi....
A lot of the investment people fall back on the \"...by Musk\'s calculations....\" mantra. That balloon has popped, it\'s a friggin joke actually.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Anthony William Sloman
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On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:54:47 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Because that\'s what your subject line implicitly implies.
Musk hasn\'t exactly had a technical career - he has managed high-tech companies which isn\'t quite the same thing, since it involves getting people who are technically competent to design and produce high tech equipment, and engineering degrees aren\'t designed to instil that particular expertise.
Science fiction has played with the idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_Through_the_Deeps
I read it back in 1972. Larry Niven has picked up the idea more recently.
There\'s been serious interest of a more technical nature. This dates from 1995
https://faculty.washington.edu/jbs/itrans/suppes.htm
It cites
11. Alscher, H., I. F. Boldea, A. R. Eastham, and M. Iguchi. Propelling passengers faster than a speeding bullet. IEEE Spectrum, August, 1984, 57-64.
which I read at the time.
> A lot of the investment people fall back on the \"...by Musk\'s calculations...\" mantra. That balloon has popped, it\'s a friggin joke actually.
Musk clearly wasn\'t the first to do the Hyperloop calculations. What made you think that he was?
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:25:27 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 12:55:40 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:41:54 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn\'t either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
This isn\'t 1870 anymore, or haven\'t you noticed.
Is that relevant? There\'s more to learn now, but there was quite a bit around to learn even back then.
Apparently his phony credentials, almost at the level of making him a prodigy, were important enough for Musk to lie about them. Why? To rook investors by misleading them into thinking their investment was in good hands..
Musk doesn\'t seem to know as much as he might, but formal education can\'t be relied on to inculcate that. Flyguy assures us that he has a bachelors and a master degree in some STEM subject or other and he\'s remarkably ignorant (and self-confident with it). John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
Did I make any such claim?
You didn\'t make any claim at all - you just posted a link to a website that didn\'t say any more than your subject lilne.
Exactly. So why are you chiming in with this lecture about formal education not being a sufficient condition for success in a technical career?
Because that\'s what your subject line implicitly implies.
Musk hasn\'t exactly had a technical career - he has managed high-tech companies which isn\'t quite the same thing, since it involves getting people who are technically competent to design and produce high tech equipment, and engineering degrees aren\'t designed to instil that particular expertise.
Do you understand the distinction between necessity and sufficiency? Necessity is a condition that\'s always present for an outcome, whether it made the outcome happen or not. Sufficiency is a condition that alone makes an outcome happen.
Outcome happens -> necessary condition present
Sufficient condition present -> outcome happens.
That is one of the distinctions that was hammered home early in my university education, not that I needed the extra information since my parents had used the idea a lot.
You\'ve got to have made some kind of claim before there\'s any point in pontificating about necessary and sufficient conditions.
Who does this sound like?
This has turned out to be yet another of his failures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company#Promotional_merchandise
They\'re in the process of packing up what little bit they\'ve actually made.
Oooooh- the HYPER-loop- sounds so SciFi....
Science fiction has played with the idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_Through_the_Deeps
I read it back in 1972. Larry Niven has picked up the idea more recently.
There\'s been serious interest of a more technical nature. This dates from 1995
https://faculty.washington.edu/jbs/itrans/suppes.htm
It cites
11. Alscher, H., I. F. Boldea, A. R. Eastham, and M. Iguchi. Propelling passengers faster than a speeding bullet. IEEE Spectrum, August, 1984, 57-64.
which I read at the time.
> A lot of the investment people fall back on the \"...by Musk\'s calculations...\" mantra. That balloon has popped, it\'s a friggin joke actually.
Musk clearly wasn\'t the first to do the Hyperloop calculations. What made you think that he was?
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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John Larkin
Guest
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 02:54:43 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
Another Bloggs-Sloman sad-old-git insult fest!
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:25:27 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 12:55:40 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:41:54 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn\'t either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
This isn\'t 1870 anymore, or haven\'t you noticed.
Is that relevant? There\'s more to learn now, but there was quite a bit around to learn even back then.
Apparently his phony credentials, almost at the level of making him a prodigy, were important enough for Musk to lie about them. Why? To rook investors by misleading them into thinking their investment was in good hands.
Musk doesn\'t seem to know as much as he might, but formal education can\'t be relied on to inculcate that. Flyguy assures us that he has a bachelors and a master degree in some STEM subject or other and he\'s remarkably ignorant (and self-confident with it). John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
Did I make any such claim?
You didn\'t make any claim at all - you just posted a link to a website that didn\'t say any more than your subject lilne.
Exactly. So why are you chiming in with this lecture about formal education not being a sufficient condition for success in a technical career?
Do you understand the distinction between necessity and sufficiency? Necessity is a condition that\'s always present for an outcome, whether it made the outcome happen or not. Sufficiency is a condition that alone makes an outcome happen.
Outcome happens -> necessary condition present
Sufficient condition present -> outcome happens.
That is one of the distinctions that was hammered home early in my university education, not that I needed the extra information since my parents had used the idea a lot.
You\'ve got to have made some kind of claim before there\'s any point in pontificating about necessary and sufficient conditions.
Who does this sound like?
This has turned out to be yet another of his failures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company#Promotional_merchandise
They\'re in the process of packing up what little bit they\'ve actually made.
Oooooh- the HYPER-loop- sounds so SciFi....
A lot of the investment people fall back on the \"...by Musk\'s calculations...\" mantra. That balloon has popped, it\'s a friggin joke actually.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Another Bloggs-Sloman sad-old-git insult fest!
F
Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:39:02 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
That\'s by your interpretation. For a while I\'ve been noticing that something\'s seriously missing in this guy\'s brainpower on the few occasions I\'ve wasted my time looking at his crap. Apparently a bunch of other people have noticed the same thing. Now we all know why. This has nothing to do with your ultra-simple interpretation of an implication.
The fundamental physics of evacuated tube travel has been discussed and developed since the 18th century. Check the wiki article on hyperloop.
From what I can gather from a quick read, all the \"hyperloop\" developers have dropped out of passenger transport, it adds too much cost to the tube routing to manage accelerations to tolerable levels, and it\'s not cost competitive with the people transport they have now. But developers are actively pursuing freight transport via this mode. Germany, Port of Hamburg, is already negotiating specifics for installing a hyperloop to disburse their massive container traffic to the hinterlands.
People transport by hyperloop was never well received by the industry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company#Criticism
The Boring Company is a flop.
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:54:47 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:25:27 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 12:55:40 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:41:54 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn\'t either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
This isn\'t 1870 anymore, or haven\'t you noticed.
Is that relevant? There\'s more to learn now, but there was quite a bit around to learn even back then.
Apparently his phony credentials, almost at the level of making him a prodigy, were important enough for Musk to lie about them. Why? To rook investors by misleading them into thinking their investment was in good hands.
Musk doesn\'t seem to know as much as he might, but formal education can\'t be relied on to inculcate that. Flyguy assures us that he has a bachelors and a master degree in some STEM subject or other and he\'s remarkably ignorant (and self-confident with it). John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
Did I make any such claim?
You didn\'t make any claim at all - you just posted a link to a website that didn\'t say any more than your subject lilne.
Exactly. So why are you chiming in with this lecture about formal education not being a sufficient condition for success in a technical career?
Because that\'s what your subject line implicitly implies.
That\'s by your interpretation. For a while I\'ve been noticing that something\'s seriously missing in this guy\'s brainpower on the few occasions I\'ve wasted my time looking at his crap. Apparently a bunch of other people have noticed the same thing. Now we all know why. This has nothing to do with your ultra-simple interpretation of an implication.
Musk hasn\'t exactly had a technical career - he has managed high-tech companies which isn\'t quite the same thing, since it involves getting people who are technically competent to design and produce high tech equipment, and engineering degrees aren\'t designed to instil that particular expertise.
Do you understand the distinction between necessity and sufficiency? Necessity is a condition that\'s always present for an outcome, whether it made the outcome happen or not. Sufficiency is a condition that alone makes an outcome happen.
Outcome happens -> necessary condition present
Sufficient condition present -> outcome happens.
That is one of the distinctions that was hammered home early in my university education, not that I needed the extra information since my parents had used the idea a lot.
You\'ve got to have made some kind of claim before there\'s any point in pontificating about necessary and sufficient conditions.
Who does this sound like?
This has turned out to be yet another of his failures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company#Promotional_merchandise
They\'re in the process of packing up what little bit they\'ve actually made.
Oooooh- the HYPER-loop- sounds so SciFi....
Science fiction has played with the idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_Through_the_Deeps
I read it back in 1972. Larry Niven has picked up the idea more recently.
There\'s been serious interest of a more technical nature. This dates from 1995
https://faculty.washington.edu/jbs/itrans/suppes.htm
It cites
11. Alscher, H., I. F. Boldea, A. R. Eastham, and M. Iguchi. Propelling passengers faster than a speeding bullet. IEEE Spectrum, August, 1984, 57-64..
which I read at the time.
A lot of the investment people fall back on the \"...by Musk\'s calculations...\" mantra. That balloon has popped, it\'s a friggin joke actually.
Musk clearly wasn\'t the first to do the Hyperloop calculations. What made you think that he was?
The fundamental physics of evacuated tube travel has been discussed and developed since the 18th century. Check the wiki article on hyperloop.
From what I can gather from a quick read, all the \"hyperloop\" developers have dropped out of passenger transport, it adds too much cost to the tube routing to manage accelerations to tolerable levels, and it\'s not cost competitive with the people transport they have now. But developers are actively pursuing freight transport via this mode. Germany, Port of Hamburg, is already negotiating specifics for installing a hyperloop to disburse their massive container traffic to the hinterlands.
People transport by hyperloop was never well received by the industry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company#Criticism
The Boring Company is a flop.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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server
Guest
The Boring Company was a cover for Musk building his secret super-villain underground lair.
The real transportation system of the future is my patent pending TrebuTramp system. I have to keep important details secret, but I can say it involves trebuchets and trampolines. We\'re working to get government funding to replace school buses. The kids will love it.
The real transportation system of the future is my patent pending TrebuTramp system. I have to keep important details secret, but I can say it involves trebuchets and trampolines. We\'re working to get government funding to replace school buses. The kids will love it.
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On Saturday, 19 November 2022 at 16:42:56 UTC+1, Wand...@noplace.com wrote:
Melon was instructed to collapse TwitterThe Boring Company was a cover for Musk building his secret super-villain underground lair.
The real transportation system of the future is my patent pending TrebuTramp system. I have to keep important details secret, but I can say it involves trebuchets and trampolines. We\'re working to get government funding to replace school buses. The kids will love it.
J
Joerg
Guest
On 11/18/22 5:41 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
Some of the best engineers I worked with have no formal degree whatsoever.
He sure knows how to attract the right talent. Building an electric car
company, a space company plus a solar energy company all at the same
time is something only few people could ever do. He did.
Old saying: You don\'t have to know everything but you have to know how
to get that knowledge.
but formal education can\'t be relied on to inculcate that.
I agree. Sometimes it can actually be counterproductive in that respect.
[...]
So did I. Attending (most) lectures was not mandatory at my university.
Passing all the exams was. I still got my masters degree. What\'s wrong
with that?
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn\'t either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
Some of the best engineers I worked with have no formal degree whatsoever.
Musk doesn\'t seem to know as much as he might, ...
He sure knows how to attract the right talent. Building an electric car
company, a space company plus a solar energy company all at the same
time is something only few people could ever do. He did.
Old saying: You don\'t have to know everything but you have to know how
to get that knowledge.
but formal education can\'t be relied on to inculcate that.
I agree. Sometimes it can actually be counterproductive in that respect.
[...]
John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
So did I. Attending (most) lectures was not mandatory at my university.
Passing all the exams was. I still got my masters degree. What\'s wrong
with that?
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Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 2:21:49 PM UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-23/tesla-s-solar-roof-rollout-is-a-bust-and-a-fixation-for-elon-musk
His other crooked flop- nothing but scandals and hype.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SolarCity
Look at that- government contract after contract after contract with that friggin mess of a faux business.
More scandal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Billion
On 11/18/22 5:41 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn\'t either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
Some of the best engineers I worked with have no formal degree whatsoever..
Musk doesn\'t seem to know as much as he might, ...
He sure knows how to attract the right talent. Building an electric car
company, a space company plus a solar energy company all at the same
time is something only few people could ever do. He did.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-23/tesla-s-solar-roof-rollout-is-a-bust-and-a-fixation-for-elon-musk
His other crooked flop- nothing but scandals and hype.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SolarCity
Look at that- government contract after contract after contract with that friggin mess of a faux business.
More scandal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Billion
Old saying: You don\'t have to know everything but you have to know how
to get that knowledge.
but formal education can\'t be relied on to inculcate that.
I agree. Sometimes it can actually be counterproductive in that respect.
[...]
John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
So did I. Attending (most) lectures was not mandatory at my university.
Passing all the exams was. I still got my masters degree. What\'s wrong
with that?
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 11:21:40 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:
Too much education can be confining.
No. I missed very few classes. We did cut some silly afternoon ee labs
and faked the reports.
wrote:
On 11/18/22 5:41 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn\'t either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
Some of the best engineers I worked with have no formal degree whatsoever.
Too much education can be confining.
Musk doesn\'t seem to know as much as he might, ...
He sure knows how to attract the right talent. Building an electric car
company, a space company plus a solar energy company all at the same
time is something only few people could ever do. He did.
Old saying: You don\'t have to know everything but you have to know how
to get that knowledge.
but formal education can\'t be relied on to inculcate that.
I agree. Sometimes it can actually be counterproductive in that respect.
[...]
John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
No. I missed very few classes. We did cut some silly afternoon ee labs
and faked the reports.
So did I. Attending (most) lectures was not mandatory at my university.
Passing all the exams was. I still got my masters degree. What\'s wrong
with that?
A
Anthony William Sloman
Guest
On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 2:02:33 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Claiming that somebody famous has feet of clay is a popular sport.
<snip>
So far.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:39:02 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:54:47 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:25:27 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 12:55:40 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:41:54 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn\'t either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
This isn\'t 1870 anymore, or haven\'t you noticed.
Is that relevant? There\'s more to learn now, but there was quite a bit around to learn even back then.
Apparently his phony credentials, almost at the level of making him a prodigy, were important enough for Musk to lie about them. Why? To rook investors by misleading them into thinking their investment was in good hands.
Musk doesn\'t seem to know as much as he might, but formal education can\'t be relied on to inculcate that. Flyguy assures us that he has a bachelors and a master degree in some STEM subject or other and he\'s remarkably ignorant (and self-confident with it). John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
Did I make any such claim?
You didn\'t make any claim at all - you just posted a link to a website that didn\'t say any more than your subject lilne.
Exactly. So why are you chiming in with this lecture about formal education not being a sufficient condition for success in a technical career?
Because that\'s what your subject line implicitly implies.
That\'s by your interpretation. For a while I\'ve been noticing that something\'s seriously missing in this guy\'s brainpower on the few occasions I\'ve wasted my time looking at his crap. Apparently a bunch of other people have noticed the same thing. Now we all know why. This has nothing to do with your ultra-simple interpretation of an implication.
Claiming that somebody famous has feet of clay is a popular sport.
<snip>
This has turned out to be yet another of his failures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company#Promotional_merchandise
They\'re in the process of packing up what little bit they\'ve actually made.
Oooooh- the HYPER-loop- sounds so SciFi....
Science fiction has played with the idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_Through_the_Deeps
I read it back in 1972. Larry Niven has picked up the idea more recently.
There\'s been serious interest of a more technical nature. This dates from 1995
https://faculty.washington.edu/jbs/itrans/suppes.htm
It cites
11. Alscher, H., I. F. Boldea, A. R. Eastham, and M. Iguchi. Propelling passengers faster than a speeding bullet. IEEE Spectrum, August, 1984, 57-64.
which I read at the time.
A lot of the investment people fall back on the \"...by Musk\'s calculations...\" mantra. That balloon has popped, it\'s a friggin joke actually.
Musk clearly wasn\'t the first to do the Hyperloop calculations. What made you think that he was?
The fundamental physics of evacuated tube travel has been discussed and developed since the 18th century. Check the wiki article on hyperloop.
From what I can gather from a quick read, all the \"hyperloop\" developers have dropped out of passenger transport, it adds too much cost to the tube routing to manage accelerations to tolerable levels, and it\'s not cost competitive with the people transport they have now. But developers are actively pursuing freight transport via this mode. Germany, Port of Hamburg, is already negotiating specifics for installing a hyperloop to disburse their massive container traffic to the hinterlands.
People transport by hyperloop was never well received by the industry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company#Criticism
The Boring Company is a flop.
So far.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Anthony William Sloman
Guest
On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 8:22:24 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
It\'s difficult to see how. Taking established authorities too seriously can narrow your perspective, but enough education will free you from that.
And spread himself a bit thin in the process. His takeover of Twitter suggests that he is a bit too easily distracted.
I rest my case.
Absolutely nothing. The lectures are telling you stuff that you can read in books. Faking experimental results is a different kind of nonconformity, and shouldn\'t be tolerated.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 11:21:40 -0800, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
On 11/18/22 5:41 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:18:26 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/17/2136976/-Blockbuster-CapitolHunters-claim-with-evidence-that-Musk-has-no-STEM-degree-of-any-kind
Is this supposed to be interesting? Thomas Alva Edison didn\'t either. Getting a degree in science, technology engineering and mathematics is one way of learning about these subjects but there are lots of books and published papers that you can read and a lot of practical work that you can do that can get you to the same place as a new graduate ( and a good deal further).
Some of the best engineers I worked with have no formal degree whatsoever.
Too much education can be confining.
It\'s difficult to see how. Taking established authorities too seriously can narrow your perspective, but enough education will free you from that.
Musk doesn\'t seem to know as much as he might, ...
He sure knows how to attract the right talent. Building an electric car
company, a space company plus a solar energy company all at the same
time is something only few people could ever do. He did.
And spread himself a bit thin in the process. His takeover of Twitter suggests that he is a bit too easily distracted.
Old saying: You don\'t have to know everything but you have to know how to get that knowledge.
but formal education can\'t be relied on to inculcate that.
I agree. Sometimes it can actually be counterproductive in that respect.
John Larkin boasts about the lectures he skipped while still managing to get a degree.
No. I missed very few classes. We did cut some silly afternoon ee labs and faked the reports.
I rest my case.
So did I. Attending (most) lectures was not mandatory at my university.
Passing all the exams was. I still got my masters degree. What\'s wrong with that?
Absolutely nothing. The lectures are telling you stuff that you can read in books. Faking experimental results is a different kind of nonconformity, and shouldn\'t be tolerated.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney