Moving a subwoofer cone for display

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Hi all,

I am in the situation where I need a circuit built in 3 days time that will
move a subwoofer full cone excursion slowly to demonstrate the subwoofer. The
subwoofer will be enclosed in a soundproof seethrough container.


I figure the circuit will need to supply a sine wave of approx 1hz to be able
to see the cone move. What would be the best and fastest way of completing
this any advice welcomed.
 
"Webby" <cwebsterREMOVE@carment.com.au> wrote in message
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Hi all,

I am in the situation where I need a circuit built in 3 days time that
will
move a subwoofer full cone excursion slowly to demonstrate the subwoofer.
The
subwoofer will be enclosed in a soundproof seethrough container.


I figure the circuit will need to supply a sine wave of approx 1hz to be
able
to see the cone move. What would be the best and fastest way of completing
this any advice welcomed.
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** A 1 Hz sine wave (or maybe triangle) generator fed into almost any
audio amplifier.

A function gen will do as a signal source.




.......... Phil
 
Webby is of the opinion:
I figure the circuit will need to supply a sine wave of approx 1hz to be
able to see the cone move. What would be the best and fastest way of
completing this any advice welcomed.
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Sine waves are arse-pains to generate. The simplest way would be to
generate a 1Hz square wave then filter off the harmonics.

A different approach might be to generate a triangle wave instead - that'll
do a good job of demonstrating the speaker movement, and is a segment of
urine to make - square wave through an op-amp integrator. No doubt there'll
be a million-and-one circuits to do that on the web (hell, even a 555 can be
made to do the job).


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** A 1 Hz sine wave (or maybe triangle) generator fed into almost any
audio amplifier.

A function gen will do as a signal source.




......... Phil






I realise I can generate that sort of signal with a function gen but I was
hoping for something a tad smaller I am not sure we can get hold of one in
such
a short amount of time either.
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** Use a 555 to get a 1 Hz square wave and RC filter to output so you
get a triangle.

More stages of such filtering will produce a sine wave.




........... Phil
 
"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in news:3f519a89$0$4191
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** Use a 555 to get a 1 Hz square wave and RC filter to output so you
get a triangle.

More stages of such filtering will produce a sine wave.




.......... Phil
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Ok now no problem, will I need a preamp of some kind on the 555 output to
make it compatible with the subamp input ? I guess I need to get it down to
line level.
 
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** Use a 555 to get a 1 Hz square wave and RC filter to output so
you
get a triangle.

More stages of such filtering will produce a sine wave.




.......... Phil




Ok now no problem, will I need a preamp of some kind on the 555 output to
make it compatible with the subamp input ?
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** Nope. A 555 will easily output a 12 volt peak to peak square wave -
after an RC filter you will have a 2 or 3 volt rms triangle wave. At ***1
Hz*** you need ***verrrrry*** little power to push a woofer to its
excursion limit - 2 -3 watts at most.




........... Phil
 
"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in
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** Nope. A 555 will easily output a 12 volt peak to peak square
wave -
after an RC filter you will have a 2 or 3 volt rms triangle wave. At
***1 Hz*** you need ***verrrrry*** little power to push a woofer to its
excursion limit - 2 -3 watts at most.




.......... Phil
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Ok thanks for all the help I wasnt sure if a 555 would oscillate at 1hz
 
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** Nope. A 555 will easily output a 12 volt peak to peak square
wave -
after an RC filter you will have a 2 or 3 volt rms triangle wave. At
***1 Hz*** you need ***verrrrry*** little power to push a woofer to
its
excursion limit - 2 -3 watts at most.

Ok thanks for all the help I wasnt sure if a 555 would oscillate at 1hz



** 100 k ohms plus 10 uF will get you close to 1 Hz.

My home brew enlarger exposure timer gets to 5 minutes per cycle
using the humble beast.
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Sorry to jump in on a topic that I have no idea about, but wouldn't such a
low frequency signal driving a speaker to its maximum exursion be very bad
for the voice coil in terms of heat dissipation?
 
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** Nope. A 555 will easily output a 12 volt peak to peak
square
wave -
after an RC filter you will have a 2 or 3 volt rms triangle wave.
At
***1 Hz*** you need ***verrrrry*** little power to push a woofer to
its
excursion limit - 2 -3 watts at most.

Ok thanks for all the help I wasnt sure if a 555 would oscillate at
1hz



** 100 k ohms plus 10 uF will get you close to 1 Hz.

My home brew enlarger exposure timer gets to 5 minutes per
cycle
using the humble beast.



Sorry to jump in on a topic that I have no idea about,
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** Hey, why apologise Andy ??

That is nothing new for you at all.



but wouldn't such a low frequency signal driving a speaker to its maximum
exursion be very bad
for the voice coil in terms of heat dissipation?
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** So 2 or 3 watts is destruction plus ???????





........... Phil
 
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< A big fuckoff snip>
Sorry to jump in on a topic that I have no idea about,



** Hey, why apologise Andy ??

That is nothing new for you at all.
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How does "GET FUCKED" sound??


but wouldn't such a low frequency signal driving a speaker to its
maximum
exursion be very bad
for the voice coil in terms of heat dissipation?

** So 2 or 3 watts is destruction plus ???????
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I was thinking that he was talking about those big-ass subs. I had no idea
you could get them to move with that little amount of power.
 
"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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I was thinking that he was talking about those big-ass subs. I had no idea
you could get them to move with that little amount of power.
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** Usually 3 or 4 volts DC will push a low resonance woofer close to
max excursion.

Try it.



.......... Phil
 
"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
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but wouldn't such a low frequency signal driving a speaker to its
maximum
exursion be very bad
for the voice coil in terms of heat dissipation?

** So 2 or 3 watts is destruction plus ???????

I was thinking that he was talking about those big-ass subs. I had no
idea you could get them to move with that little amount of power.
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Actually that is a good question, how will the signal affect the voice
coil. I would hate to fry it. Would be VERY expensive to replace. So what
do I need to watch. Dont forget the signal will be making the cone go to
full excursion once a second for 20 Hours at a time. Will need to make
sure the sub amp is turned down when powered up.

Ok I have got a 1.1sec (~1HZ) pulse out of the 555 it is 13.8V rail.How do
I shape that pulse to a triangle wave (needs to be a triangle because I
want a linear Leading and trailing edge so that the cone doesn't pop up or
down but moves smoothly) with a p-p value that will be within line level
specs to feed into the subamp?
 
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"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
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but wouldn't such a low frequency signal driving a speaker to its
maximum
exursion be very bad
for the voice coil in terms of heat dissipation?

** So 2 or 3 watts is destruction plus ???????


I was thinking that he was talking about those big-ass subs. I had no
idea you could get them to move with that little amount of power.



Actually that is a good question,
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** Huh - so now a complete moron knows what the issues are ???????



( snip anal shite)



Ok I have got a 1.1sec (~1HZ) pulse out of the 555 it is 13.8V rail.How do
I shape that pulse to a triangle wave (needs to be a triangle because I
want a linear Leading and trailing edge so that the cone doesn't pop up or
down but moves smoothly) with a p-p value that will be within line level
specs to feed into the subamp?
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** Are you so dumb you do not know what an RC network is ??????

Duuuuuhhhh - one R plus one C !!!!!!


Forget line level you jerk.








............ Phil
 
"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in
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** Are you so dumb you do not know what an RC network is ??????

Duuuuuhhhh - one R plus one C !!!!!!


Forget line level you jerk.



........... Phil


Wow you really need to chill out a bit.
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Thanks for the help, I am so glad I asked for some.
 
"Webby" <cwebster@craigwebster.com>


Wow you really need to chill out a bit.
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** What you need to realise is that you are a total wanker.




......... Phil
 
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"Webby" <cwebster@craigwebster.com


Wow you really need to chill out a bit.



** What you need to realise is that you are a total wanker.




......... Phil
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Haha I thought I would go back through the newsgroup and have a bit of a look
at your history, and guess what. It appears that you are the wanker.
 
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"Webby" <cwebster@craigwebster.com


Wow you really need to chill out a bit.



** What you need to realise is that you are a total wanker.




......... Phil



Haha I thought I would go back through the newsgroup and have a bit of a
look
at your history, and guess what. It appears that you are the wanker.
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** Masturbation fantasies of a wanker - he sees what he wants to see.




........... Phil
 
NCH Tone generator software, windows PC, 100 Watt amp, set to whatever
freqency, done.
Perfer old amp without low-pass filter on output
http://www.world-voices.com/software/tnsetup.exe
 
NCH Tone generator software, windows PC, 100 Watt amp, set to whatever
freqency, done.
Perfer old amp without low-pass filter on output
http://www.world-voices.com/software/tnsetup.exe

~ 1MB (3 min on 56K modem)
 
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