More symbols on keyboards......

[Skybuck Flying]

If you really want to sell more keyboards, you should invent a bigger keyboard with more symbols on it, so that programming languages can use more symbols.

For example:
[]
{}
()
<>
Is not enough anymore, need more of this ! =D

Bye,
Skybuck =D

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 14:20:33 -0800 (PST), Skybuck Flying
<skybuckflying@gmail.com> wrote:

If you really want to sell more keyboards, you should invent a bigger keyboard with more symbols on it, so that programming languages can use more symbols.

For example:
[]
{}
()

Is not enough anymore, need more of this ! =D

Perhaps an APL keyboard?
<https://www.google.com/search?q=apl+keyboard&tbm=isch>

Hieroglyphics keyboard?
<https://www.google.com/search?q=hieroglyphics+keyboard&tbm=isch>

or Chinese keyboard?
<https://www.google.com/search?q=chinese+keyboard&tbm=isch>

Does this circular nightmare have a sufficient number of symbols?
<https://www.digmandarin.com/how-to-type-in-chinese.html>

How about an Emoji keyboard?
<https://emojikeyboard.org>
<https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/emoji-keyboard-180957188/>

If you\'re a serial kind of person, a one-bit Morse Code telegraph
key(board) should also work:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=telegraph+key&tbm=isch>

--
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Chris]

On Monday, 16 January 2023 at 09:20:37 UTC+11, Skybuck Flying wrote:

If you really want to sell more keyboards, you should invent a bigger keyboard with more symbols on it, so that programming languages can use more symbols.

For example:
[]
{}
()

Is not enough anymore, need more of this ! =D

Bye,
Skybuck =D

Ppl are \'inventing\' new keyboards all the time. Go nuts: https://hackaday.com/blog/?s=keyboard

--
Cheers
Chris.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 5:20:37 PM UTC-5, Skybuck Flying wrote:

If you really want to sell more keyboards, you should invent a bigger keyboard with more symbols on it, so that programming languages can use more symbols.

For example:
[]
{}
()

Is not enough anymore, need more of this ! =D

Telepathic keyboards are on the way...

Bye,
Skybuck =D

 

[Clive Arthur]

On 17/01/2023 02:10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 5:20:37 PM UTC-5, Skybuck Flying wrote:
If you really want to sell more keyboards, you should invent a bigger keyboard with more symbols on it, so that programming languages can use more symbols.

For example:
[]
{}
()

Is not enough anymore, need more of this ! =D

Telepathic keyboards are on the way...

You\'d think so.

Bye,
Skybuck =D

--
Cheers
Clive

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 16-Jan-23 11:55 am, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 14:20:33 -0800 (PST), Skybuck Flying
skybuckflying@gmail.com> wrote:

If you really want to sell more keyboards, you should invent a bigger keyboard with more symbols on it, so that programming languages can use more symbols.

For example:
[]
{}
()

Is not enough anymore, need more of this ! =D

Perhaps an APL keyboard?
https://www.google.com/search?q=apl+keyboard&tbm=isch

Hieroglyphics keyboard?
https://www.google.com/search?q=hieroglyphics+keyboard&tbm=isch

or Chinese keyboard?
https://www.google.com/search?q=chinese+keyboard&tbm=isch

Does this circular nightmare have a sufficient number of symbols?
https://www.digmandarin.com/how-to-type-in-chinese.html

How about an Emoji keyboard?
https://emojikeyboard.org
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/emoji-keyboard-180957188/

If you\'re a serial kind of person, a one-bit Morse Code telegraph
key(board) should also work:
https://www.google.com/search?q=telegraph+key&tbm=isch

Indeed, I think the fact the APL is not widely used serves as a
refutation of Skybuck\'s proposition. Despite what Hollywood would like
us to believe, the time spent typing programs is not a significant part
of the time required to develop software.

Sylvia.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:44:17 AM UTC+11, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 16-Jan-23 11:55 am, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 14:20:33 -0800 (PST), Skybuck Flying <skybuc...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

Indeed, I think the fact the APL is not widely used serves as a
refutation of Skybuck\'s proposition. Despite what Hollywood would like
us to believe, the time spent typing programs is not a significant part
of the time required to develop software.

And Libre Office lets you insert any symbol you want with a perfectly ordinary keyboard. Microsoft Word did too, but it costs money.

You have to chose the \"insert special character option\" and it helps if you know your way around their library of special symbols.

Skybuck won\'t know about any of that.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Walliker]

On Wednesday, 18 January 2023 at 12:27:24 UTC, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:44:17 AM UTC+11, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 16-Jan-23 11:55 am, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 14:20:33 -0800 (PST), Skybuck Flying <skybuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
snip
Indeed, I think the fact the APL is not widely used serves as a
refutation of Skybuck\'s proposition. Despite what Hollywood would like
us to believe, the time spent typing programs is not a significant part
of the time required to develop software.
And Libre Office lets you insert any symbol you want with a perfectly ordinary keyboard. Microsoft Word did too, but it costs money.

You have to chose the \"insert special character option\" and it helps if you know your way around their library of special symbols.

Skybuck won\'t know about any of that.

I do know somebody who regularly used an APL keyboard. An actuary.

John

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 10:44:09 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

On 16-Jan-23 11:55 am, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 14:20:33 -0800 (PST), Skybuck Flying
skybuckflying@gmail.com> wrote:

If you really want to sell more keyboards, you should invent a bigger keyboard with more symbols on it, so that programming languages can use more symbols.

For example:
[]
{}
()

Is not enough anymore, need more of this ! =D

Perhaps an APL keyboard?
https://www.google.com/search?q=apl+keyboard&tbm=isch

Hieroglyphics keyboard?
https://www.google.com/search?q=hieroglyphics+keyboard&tbm=isch

or Chinese keyboard?
https://www.google.com/search?q=chinese+keyboard&tbm=isch

Does this circular nightmare have a sufficient number of symbols?
https://www.digmandarin.com/how-to-type-in-chinese.html

How about an Emoji keyboard?
https://emojikeyboard.org
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/emoji-keyboard-180957188/

If you\'re a serial kind of person, a one-bit Morse Code telegraph
key(board) should also work:
https://www.google.com/search?q=telegraph+key&tbm=isch

Indeed, I think the fact the APL is not widely used serves as a
refutation of Skybuck\'s proposition. Despite what Hollywood would like
us to believe, the time spent typing programs is not a significant part
of the time required to develop software.

Sylvia.

Programmers might survive without a keyboard. I once met a programmer
who lost the use of his left hand due to some kind of accident. Typing
with only the right hand proved to be tedious. Instead, he switched
to voice command, speech input and word recognition using a vocabulary
of key words taken from the programming language, common library
functions, favorite variable names, etc. That worked by using the
spelling checker as a word library. Numbers and special symbols were
a problem which he solved by creating a grid of numbers and symbols,
which were then addressed by their row and column location or just
poked with one finger when necessary. I watched him write some code
from scratch and it seemed to be quite usable. He did cheat a little
and had a keyboard connected along with a foot switch contrivance for
the alt, shift, ctrl and some other keys. However, he didn\'t use it.
I don\'t recall him mentioning APL so I don\'t know how he might have
handled all the strange symbols.


--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Ricky]

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 8:55:52 PM UTC-5, Chris wrote:

On Monday, 16 January 2023 at 09:20:37 UTC+11, Skybuck Flying wrote:
If you really want to sell more keyboards, you should invent a bigger keyboard with more symbols on it, so that programming languages can use more symbols.

For example:
[]
{}
()

Is not enough anymore, need more of this ! =D

Bye,
Skybuck =D
Ppl are \'inventing\' new keyboards all the time. Go nuts: https://hackaday..com/blog/?s=keyboard

I would be very, very happy, if they put back the keys they\'ve removed or shrunk. I need to buy a new laptop and the one specification I can\'t meet is to have full size keys on the arrow and numeric keys, including PgUp, PgDn, Home and End. They shrink them, move them to awkward places or just plain disappear them.

I bought a Lenovo laptop three laptops back. It was so terrible, that I swore I\'d never buy another. Last year when when my Dell broke the LCD hinge, the only machine I could find was a Lenovo. This machine is actually great! The problem is, it\'s crapping out after just 18 months. All power goes away, including the LED indicating power from the brick. It had been rare, maybe once a week. Then one day last week, it happened, and I could make it fail at will, by flexing the case a bit. I got it booted up again and it has not failed since.

I wish I had bought two of these... maybe three!

--

Rick C.

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[Ricky]

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 9:11:01 PM UTC-5, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 5:20:37 PM UTC-5, Skybuck Flying wrote:
If you really want to sell more keyboards, you should invent a bigger keyboard with more symbols on it, so that programming languages can use more symbols.

For example:
[]
{}
()

Is not enough anymore, need more of this ! =D
Telepathic keyboards are on the way...

That\'s what my mind implant is telling me too.

--

Rick C.

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+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricky]

On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 6:44:17 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 16-Jan-23 11:55 am, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 14:20:33 -0800 (PST), Skybuck Flying
skybuc...@gmail.com> wrote:

If you really want to sell more keyboards, you should invent a bigger keyboard with more symbols on it, so that programming languages can use more symbols.

For example:
[]
{}
()

Is not enough anymore, need more of this ! =D

Perhaps an APL keyboard?
https://www.google.com/search?q=apl+keyboard&tbm=isch

Hieroglyphics keyboard?
https://www.google.com/search?q=hieroglyphics+keyboard&tbm=isch

or Chinese keyboard?
https://www.google.com/search?q=chinese+keyboard&tbm=isch

Does this circular nightmare have a sufficient number of symbols?
https://www.digmandarin.com/how-to-type-in-chinese.html

How about an Emoji keyboard?
https://emojikeyboard.org
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/emoji-keyboard-180957188/

If you\'re a serial kind of person, a one-bit Morse Code telegraph
key(board) should also work:
https://www.google.com/search?q=telegraph+key&tbm=isch

Indeed, I think the fact the APL is not widely used serves as a
refutation of Skybuck\'s proposition. Despite what Hollywood would like
us to believe, the time spent typing programs is not a significant part
of the time required to develop software.

No, the rest of the time is spent at the keyboard controlling simulations and sending messages asking about bugs in the tools. Still keyboard time.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Ricky]

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:44:24 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 10:44:09 +1100, Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid
wrote:
On 16-Jan-23 11:55 am, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 14:20:33 -0800 (PST), Skybuck Flying
skybuc...@gmail.com> wrote:

If you really want to sell more keyboards, you should invent a bigger keyboard with more symbols on it, so that programming languages can use more symbols.

For example:
[]
{}
()

Is not enough anymore, need more of this ! =D

Perhaps an APL keyboard?
https://www.google.com/search?q=apl+keyboard&tbm=isch

Hieroglyphics keyboard?
https://www.google.com/search?q=hieroglyphics+keyboard&tbm=isch

or Chinese keyboard?
https://www.google.com/search?q=chinese+keyboard&tbm=isch

Does this circular nightmare have a sufficient number of symbols?
https://www.digmandarin.com/how-to-type-in-chinese.html

How about an Emoji keyboard?
https://emojikeyboard.org
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/emoji-keyboard-180957188/

If you\'re a serial kind of person, a one-bit Morse Code telegraph
key(board) should also work:
https://www.google.com/search?q=telegraph+key&tbm=isch

Indeed, I think the fact the APL is not widely used serves as a
refutation of Skybuck\'s proposition. Despite what Hollywood would like
us to believe, the time spent typing programs is not a significant part
of the time required to develop software.

Sylvia.
Programmers might survive without a keyboard. I once met a programmer
who lost the use of his left hand due to some kind of accident. Typing
with only the right hand proved to be tedious. Instead, he switched
to voice command, speech input and word recognition using a vocabulary
of key words taken from the programming language, common library
functions, favorite variable names, etc. That worked by using the
spelling checker as a word library. Numbers and special symbols were
a problem which he solved by creating a grid of numbers and symbols,
which were then addressed by their row and column location or just
poked with one finger when necessary. I watched him write some code
from scratch and it seemed to be quite usable. He did cheat a little
and had a keyboard connected along with a foot switch contrivance for
the alt, shift, ctrl and some other keys. However, he didn\'t use it.
I don\'t recall him mentioning APL so I don\'t know how he might have
handled all the strange symbols.

There are one handed keyboards. It\'s called \"chording\", where multiple buttons are pressed simultaneously.

--

Rick C.

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