More on RFID chips - scary...

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http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;127305666;fp;16;fpid;0

Sniper rifle may aim RFID tags at human targets


Julian Bajkowski, Computerworld

28/04/2004 09:04:22

If the thought of a government secretly inserting miniature tracking chips
into persons deemed enemies of the state harks of an Orwellian conspiracy
theory, a Danish company is doing its level best to bring this type of
technology into the hands of authorities.


Specialising in a variety of surveillance technologies, Copenhagen based
firm EmpireNorth is currently demonstrating a modified sniper rifle as a
means to inject unsuspecting targets with an RFID tag in order to track
their movements.


"It is used to implant a GPS-microchip in the body of a human being, using a
high powered sniper rifle as the long distance injector. The microchip will
enter the body and stay causing no internal damage, and only a very small
amount of physical pain to the target," marketing material from EmpireNorth
spruiks.


According to the firm, being hit by one of its RFID projectiles is virtually
a painless affair, with unsuspecting targets allegedly able to go about
their business as usual - providing the area hit is relatively soft and
absorbent.


"The microchip will enter the body and stay there. It will feel like a
mosquito bite lasting a fraction of a second," the firm's sales material
says.


Another feature of the rifle includes the ability to capture high-resolution
imagery of targets via the rifle's scope that is fitted to a camera. The
images and data from the RFID tag can then be exported to external
monitoring systems to keep track of the target.


While technical specifications for the rifle and projectile are not given, a
source at the University of Sydney's department of physics said the concept
was not impossible if the materials used were sufficiently lightweight and
the velocity of the projectile calculated in conjunction with the range.


However, the source questioned whether human or animal targets hit by such a
device would remain oblivious to their skin being penetrated, noting a
projectile travelling at just under the supersonic envelope would probably
be above most people's threshold of perception.


"It could be as small as grain of sand.but I reckon it might still hurt.
You'd want some velocity on this to cover range, otherwise it would bounce
off," the source said, adding that clothing and body armour also presented
physical barriers to sub-dermal penetration.


As for who would use such a device, EmpireNorth is pitching its new toy at
what it calls the "urban battlefield" for the purpose of crowd control.


"The attention of the media changes the rules of the game. Sometimes it is
difficult to engage the enemy in the streets without causing damage to the
all-important image of the state."


A spokesman from EmpireNorth said that the product prototype was being
demonstrated in the US and had been exhibited at the China Police 2002
Exhibition in Beijing.
 
jtaylor wrote:
(this was on the politech mailing list recently)

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;127305666;fp;16;fpid;0

Sniper rifle may aim RFID tags at human targets


Julian Bajkowski, Computerworld

28/04/2004 09:04:22

snip

"It is used to implant a GPS-microchip in the body of a human being, using a
high powered sniper rifle as the long distance injector. The microchip will
enter the body and stay causing no internal damage, and only a very small
amount of physical pain to the target," marketing material from EmpireNorth
spruiks.
It's bullshit. My guess is that someone is trying to
defraud gullible investors.

You may be able to suvive if someone shoots you with
a GPS chip (thinking a few chip generations ahead),
but the antenna and the battery pack needed will
certainly kill you. :^)

Kind regards,

Iwo
 
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:56:38 -0300, "jtaylor"
<jtaylor@hfx.deletethis.andara.com> wrote:

(this was on the politech mailing list recently)

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;127305666;fp;16;fpid;0

Sniper rifle may aim RFID tags at human targets


Julian Bajkowski, Computerworld

28/04/2004 09:04:22

[snip]

"It could be as small as grain of sand.but I reckon it might still hurt.
You'd want some velocity on this to cover range, otherwise it would bounce
off," the source said, adding that clothing and body armour also presented
physical barriers to sub-dermal penetration.
[snip]

What a pile of BS! I always marvel at (supposedly)
scientifically-trained people making such absurd statements.
"jtaylor" clearly has not an iota of knowledge of projectile physics.

I can hardly wait for Fred Bloggs to weigh in ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
"jtaylor" <jtaylor@hfx.deletethis.andara.com> wrote in message
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(this was on the politech mailing list recently)

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;127305666;fp;16;fpid;0

Sniper rifle may aim RFID tags at human targets


Julian Bajkowski, Computerworld

28/04/2004 09:04:22

If the thought of a government secretly inserting miniature tracking chips
into persons deemed enemies of the state harks of an Orwellian conspiracy
theory, a Danish company is doing its level best to bring this type of
technology into the hands of authorities.


Specialising in a variety of surveillance technologies, Copenhagen based
firm EmpireNorth is currently demonstrating a modified sniper rifle as a
means to inject unsuspecting targets with an RFID tag in order to track
their movements.


"It is used to implant a GPS-microchip in the body of a human being, using
a
high powered sniper rifle as the long distance injector. The microchip
will
enter the body and stay causing no internal damage, and only a very small
amount of physical pain to the target," marketing material from
EmpireNorth
spruiks.


According to the firm, being hit by one of its RFID projectiles is
virtually
a painless affair, with unsuspecting targets allegedly able to go about
their business as usual - providing the area hit is relatively soft and
absorbent.


"The microchip will enter the body and stay there. It will feel like a
mosquito bite lasting a fraction of a second," the firm's sales material
says.


Another feature of the rifle includes the ability to capture
high-resolution
imagery of targets via the rifle's scope that is fitted to a camera. The
images and data from the RFID tag can then be exported to external
monitoring systems to keep track of the target.


While technical specifications for the rifle and projectile are not given,
a
source at the University of Sydney's department of physics said the
concept
was not impossible if the materials used were sufficiently lightweight and
the velocity of the projectile calculated in conjunction with the range.


However, the source questioned whether human or animal targets hit by such
a
device would remain oblivious to their skin being penetrated, noting a
projectile travelling at just under the supersonic envelope would probably
be above most people's threshold of perception.


"It could be as small as grain of sand.but I reckon it might still hurt.
You'd want some velocity on this to cover range, otherwise it would bounce
off," the source said, adding that clothing and body armour also presented
physical barriers to sub-dermal penetration.


As for who would use such a device, EmpireNorth is pitching its new toy at
what it calls the "urban battlefield" for the purpose of crowd control.


"The attention of the media changes the rules of the game. Sometimes it is
difficult to engage the enemy in the streets without causing damage to the
all-important image of the state."


A spokesman from EmpireNorth said that the product prototype was being
demonstrated in the US and had been exhibited at the China Police 2002
Exhibition in Beijing.
What they don't mention, is the wire, attached to the external battery
pack...

Best Wishes
 
"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:56:38 -0300, "jtaylor"
jtaylor@hfx.deletethis.andara.com> wrote:

(this was on the politech mailing list recently)

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;127305666;fp;16;fpid;0

Sniper rifle may aim RFID tags at human targets


Julian Bajkowski, Computerworld

28/04/2004 09:04:22

[snip]

"It could be as small as grain of sand.but I reckon it might still hurt.
You'd want some velocity on this to cover range, otherwise it would
bounce
off," the source said, adding that clothing and body armour also
presented
physical barriers to sub-dermal penetration.
[snip]

What a pile of BS! I always marvel at (supposedly)
scientifically-trained people making such absurd statements.
"jtaylor" clearly has not an iota of knowledge of projectile physics.

I can hardly wait for Fred Bloggs to weigh in ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

ROFLMAO it from a Jackie Chan movie made about two years ago.

Charles
 
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:56:38 -0300, "jtaylor"
jtaylor@hfx.deletethis.andara.com> wrote:

[snip]

"It could be as small as grain of sand.but I reckon it might still hurt.
You'd want some velocity on this to cover range, otherwise it would
bounce
off," the source said, adding that clothing and body armour also
presented
physical barriers to sub-dermal penetration.
[snip]

What a pile of BS! I always marvel at (supposedly)
scientifically-trained people making such absurd statements.
"jtaylor" clearly has not an iota of knowledge of projectile physics.
Um, you did the snip; presumably you can also count to two.

Please note the number of quotation marks. I didn't write the original
article.
 
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:10:59 -0300, "jtaylor"
<jtaylor@hfx.deletethis.andara.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:56:38 -0300, "jtaylor"
jtaylor@hfx.deletethis.andara.com> wrote:

[snip]

"It could be as small as grain of sand.but I reckon it might still hurt.
You'd want some velocity on this to cover range, otherwise it would
bounce
off," the source said, adding that clothing and body armour also
presented
physical barriers to sub-dermal penetration.
[snip]

What a pile of BS! I always marvel at (supposedly)
scientifically-trained people making such absurd statements.
"jtaylor" clearly has not an iota of knowledge of projectile physics.


Um, you did the snip; presumably you can also count to two.

Please note the number of quotation marks. I didn't write the original
article.
Then WHY did you re-post it without comment ?:)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
"jtaylor" <jtaylor@hfx.deletethis.andara.com> wrote in message news:<JvPjc.33989$kc2.486013@nnrp1.uunet.ca>...
(this was on the politech mailing list recently)

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;127305666;fp;16;fpid;0

Sniper rifle may aim RFID tags at human targets


Julian Bajkowski, Computerworld

28/04/2004 09:04:22

If the thought of a government secretly inserting miniature tracking chips
into persons deemed enemies of the state harks of an Orwellian conspiracy
theory, a Danish company is doing its level best to bring this type of
technology into the hands of authorities.


Specialising in a variety of surveillance technologies, Copenhagen based
firm EmpireNorth is currently demonstrating a modified sniper rifle as a
means to inject unsuspecting targets with an RFID tag in order to track
their movements.
Sounds like sci-fi ... but it's not feasible in the non-cartoon
universe, for dozens of technical reasons.

[snip]

"The microchip will enter the body and stay there. It will feel like a
mosquito bite lasting a fraction of a second," the firm's sales material
says.
Entertaining, but silly. Please don't take it seriously.

Frank Raffaeli
http://www.aomwireless.com/
 
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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Then WHY did you re-post it without comment ?:)
I did comment - see the title header.
 
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:55:01 -0300, "jtaylor"
<jtaylor@hfx.deletethis.andara.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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Then WHY did you re-post it without comment ?:)

I did comment - see the title header.
"(this was on the politech mailing list recently)", is that a
"comment"?

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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Then WHY did you re-post it without comment ?:)

I did comment - see the title header.

"(this was on the politech mailing list recently)", is that a
"comment"?
Are you new to usenet?

Most newreaders will show you a header line titled variously "Subject" or
"Title".

Look at the original post again, and if you can't see that, let us know.
Someone will help you.
 
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:42:05 -0300, "jtaylor"
<jtaylor@hfx.deletethis.andara.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:8lb0901vc7ip7f3tltaue9kp0a5vs950hm@4ax.com...

Then WHY did you re-post it without comment ?:)

I did comment - see the title header.

"(this was on the politech mailing list recently)", is that a
"comment"?

Are you new to usenet?

Most newreaders will show you a header line titled variously "Subject" or
"Title".

Look at the original post again, and if you can't see that, let us know.
Someone will help you.
I see...

From: "jtaylor" <jtaylor@hfx.deletethis.andara.com>
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
Subject: More on RFID chips - scary...

To me that implies that you believed it.

"New to Usenet", Snotty Brat, I have a bushel of lemons here that you
can suck on ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:45:10 -0300, "jtaylor"
<jtaylor@hfx.deletethis.andara.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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"New to Usenet", Snotty Brat, I have a bushel of lemons here that you
can suck on ;-)

Had a bad day, then, was it?
Not anymore. Plonk!

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:6ic090dsbt6t419i548ocjoch3ivcfmn8m@4ax.com...

"New to Usenet", Snotty Brat, I have a bushel of lemons here that you
can suck on ;-)
Had a bad day, then, was it?
 
In news:8lb0901vc7ip7f3tltaue9kp0a5vs950hm@4ax.com,
Jim Thompson typed:
"(this was on the politech mailing list recently)", is that a
"comment"?
No, I think he's saying that "scary" constitutes a comment.



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"Tom Del Rosso" <tdnews01@att.net.invalid> wrote in message
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In news:8lb0901vc7ip7f3tltaue9kp0a5vs950hm@4ax.com,
Jim Thompson typed:

"(this was on the politech mailing list recently)", is that a
"comment"?

No, I think he's saying that "scary" constitutes a comment.


It's clearly a new way to call yourself a gullible wanker.

Ken
 
"jtaylor" <jtaylor@hfx.deletethis.andara.com> wrote in message
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http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;127305666;fp;16;fpid;0

Sniper rifle may aim RFID tags at human targets
[snippetty, snip]

Some Danish artist called Jakob S. Boeskov, having a bit of a lark and a
prank, as artists are prone to do:

http://events.thing.net/

(*great* looking gun though: http://www.empirenorth.dk/....!!)

--
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Tim Stinchcombe

Cheltenham, Glos, UK
 
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:58:28 +0100, "Tim Stinchcombe"
<timng1@tstinchcombe.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

"jtaylor" <jtaylor@hfx.deletethis.andara.com> wrote in message
news:JvPjc.33989$kc2.486013@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
(this was on the politech mailing list recently)

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;127305666;fp;16;fpid;0

Sniper rifle may aim RFID tags at human targets

[snippetty, snip]

Some Danish artist called Jakob S. Boeskov, having a bit of a lark and a
prank, as artists are prone to do:

http://events.thing.net/

(*great* looking gun though: http://www.empirenorth.dk/....!!)
This piece of fiction probably owes some of its origin to the killing
of a Bulgarian spy in London back in about 1978. He was shot in the
thigh with a Russian-manufactured ' umbrella' that fired a tiny hollow
ball only a millimerte or so across laced with some powerful toxin or
other. Real life James Bond stuff.
 
Paul Burridge <pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk> wrote:
[funky gun is just art]

This piece of fiction probably owes some of its origin to the killing
of a Bulgarian spy in London back in about 1978. He was shot in the
thigh with a Russian-manufactured ' umbrella' that fired a tiny hollow
ball only a millimerte or so across laced with some powerful toxin or
other. Real life James Bond stuff.
His name was Georgi Markov and he was Bulgarian, but a dissident
rather than a spy. The poison was ricin.

I presume there is something like Q's department (from the Bond films)
in real life, but far more mundane in its activities (I doubt there
are many cars with ejector seats!). Even so, it must be an interesting
place to work.


Tim
--
Love is a travelator.
 
On a sunny day (28 Apr 2004 11:38:08 -0700) it happened
SNIPrf_man_frTHIS@yahoo.com (Frank Raffaeli) wrote in
<2c8119eb.0404281038.6a83a36f@posting.google.com>:

"jtaylor" <jtaylor@hfx.deletethis.andara.com> wrote in message news:<JvPjc.33989$kc2.486013@nnrp1.uunet.ca>...
(this was on the politech mailing list recently)

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;127305666;fp;16;fpid;0

Sniper rifle may aim RFID tags at human targets


Julian Bajkowski, Computerworld

28/04/2004 09:04:22

If the thought of a government secretly inserting miniature tracking chips
into persons deemed enemies of the state harks of an Orwellian conspiracy
theory, a Danish company is doing its level best to bring this type of
technology into the hands of authorities.


Specialising in a variety of surveillance technologies, Copenhagen based
firm EmpireNorth is currently demonstrating a modified sniper rifle as a
means to inject unsuspecting targets with an RFID tag in order to track
their movements.


Sounds like sci-fi ... but it's not feasible in the non-cartoon
universe, for dozens of technical reasons.

[snip]


"The microchip will enter the body and stay there. It will feel like a
mosquito bite lasting a fraction of a second," the firm's sales material
says.

Na, old technology, todays works different.
they shoot the chips in the head, and these have little terminals that make
contact with the neurons.
They are powered from the outside by special hats, in the rim of these hats
is a big coil.
The top has either a solar cell or it has a battery build in.
Black hats, these people are really good at numbers, and have a special
religion.
Sort of bionic...
The hat has to be on the right way, so the rim is halfway the scull.
 

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