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I want to have around 56K mobile internet access for my laptop with the aid
of a mobile phone.

I hear that the GSM network is limited to only 9K as an absolute maximum. Is
that correct? Any ideas in getting around that, say with two or more mobiles
simultaneously connected?

Is the new "3" network a viable option?

Is CDMA any better?

Cheers, Phil
 
Phil <haxby@removethisbitandjustleave dodo.com.au> wrote
in message news:3f9e2ba5@news.comindico.com.au...

I want to have around 56K mobile internet access
for my laptop with the aid of a mobile phone.

I hear that the GSM network is limited to only
9K as an absolute maximum. Is that correct?
Click to expand...
Nope.

Any ideas in getting around that, say with two
or more mobiles simultaneously connected?
Click to expand...
No need.

Is the new "3" network a viable option?
Click to expand...
Depends on what you want to do. You do
realise that its just a few capital citys currently ?

Is CDMA any better?
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Nope.
 
"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bnlani$12jt7r$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de...
Phil <haxby@removethisbitandjustleave dodo.com.au> wrote
in message news:3f9e2ba5@news.comindico.com.au...

I want to have around 56K mobile internet access
for my laptop with the aid of a mobile phone.

I hear that the GSM network is limited to only
9K as an absolute maximum. Is that correct?

Nope.

Any ideas in getting around that, say with two
or more mobiles simultaneously connected?

No need.

Is the new "3" network a viable option?

Depends on what you want to do. You do
realise that its just a few capital citys currently ?

Is CDMA any better?

Nope.
Click to expand...
Thanks for "helping". Has anyone here had experience with doing this? What
speeds should I expect?

I assume I can use just about any dialup ISP as the signals would be
transmitted in much the same way as your average modem (analogue). Let me
know if this is not an accurate assumption.

-Phil
 
"Phil" <haxby@removethisbitandjustleave dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:3f9e2ba5@news.comindico.com.au...
I want to have around 56K mobile internet access for my laptop with the
aid
of a mobile phone.

I hear that the GSM network is limited to only 9K as an absolute maximum.
Is
that correct? Any ideas in getting around that, say with two or more
mobiles
simultaneously connected?

Is the new "3" network a viable option?

Is CDMA any better?

Cheers, Phil
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This doesn`t answer your questions, but is suggested as a cheaper
alternative:
http://www.google.com.au <............ wireless internet access

There`also some CDMA telco`s that have internet access built into their
mobilephones (no need for the laptop)....
 
It was a dark and stormy night, and Phil managed to scribble:

I want to have around 56K mobile internet access for my laptop with the
aid of a mobile phone.

I hear that the GSM network is limited to only 9K as an absolute maximum.
Is that correct? Any ideas in getting around that, say with two or more
mobiles simultaneously connected?

Is the new "3" network a viable option?

Is CDMA any better?

Cheers, Phil
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Do you really want to pay mobile phone rates? Satellite is probably a lot cheaper.

Alternatives include Wireless Access Points in the big cities. I'm about to set up a wireless network at home with a range of several hundred meters.

gtoomey
 
Phil wrote:
I want to have around 56K mobile internet access for my laptop with the aid
of a mobile phone.

I hear that the GSM network is limited to only 9K as an absolute maximum. Is
that correct? Any ideas in getting around that, say with two or more mobiles
simultaneously connected?
Click to expand...
GPRS is reasonable, not quite 56k but better than 9600bps. Expensive
though, around 2c/kilobyte. Vodaphone offer a decent service, but pptp
vpn connections don't work too well due to their nat configuration.
Optus offer GPRS, but don't seem to know much about the product.
Vodaphone (and others) offer a pcmcia GPRS card that directly takes a
sim if that's more convenient than another phone, about $400 for the card.

It is possible to run multilink ppp over multiple gsm connections.

Josh
 
Phil <haxby@removethisbitandjustleave dodo.com.au>
wrote in message news:3f9e3289@news.comindico.com.au...
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Phil <haxby@removethisbitandjustleave dodo.com.au> wrote

I want to have around 56K mobile internet access
for my laptop with the aid of a mobile phone.

I hear that the GSM network is limited to only
9K as an absolute maximum. Is that correct?

Nope.

Any ideas in getting around that, say with two
or more mobiles simultaneously connected?

No need.

Is the new "3" network a viable option?

Depends on what you want to do. You do
realise that its just a few capital citys currently ?

Is CDMA any better?

Nope.

Thanks for "helping". Has anyone here had experience with doing this?
Click to expand...
You'd be better off with aus.comms.mobile. I've added it to the newsgroup list.

What speeds should I expect?
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That sort of thing is now mostly done using GPRS
and that doesnt have that simple speed concept.

The thruput varys due to a number of factors, including
the way GPRS has been implemented by the mobile
telco, particularly on the channel capacity available
on the base you are communicating with etc.

You might be better off with WiFi tho, but you say so little
about what you actually want to do that thats harder to say.

I assume I can use just about any dialup ISP as the signals would be
transmitted in much the same way as your average modem (analogue).
Click to expand...
Nope, its a fully digital service with GPRS particularly.

Let me know if this is not an accurate assumption.
Click to expand...
See above.
 
With GSM you are limited to 9.6kbs (around 1k a second up/down) on the
australian networks, none run HSCSD (High Speed Switched Circuit Data)
which allows up to 56k data calls as such (I imagion it would use 5 channels
of capacity, so its of no interest to them)

GPRS is probably your best bet if your looking for internet access, Most
networks support up to about 45kbs down, and between 9.6/19.2kbs up
depending
on handset, most only have 4 Down, 1 Up (38.4k down, 9.6k up) and your also
limited as rod said by network capacity and carriers limitations, usually
28-33.6k
modem speeds are quite common down, with 9.6kbs up.. with the latency
(around 800ms) its like on a slow dialup connection.

Far as pricing goes, Optus Beats the others by miles at .55 of a cent per KB
upto the first 10mb and get it gets cheaper as you use more with out
commitment,
Telstra is pretty poor value comparing if you commit to 10 meg a month (use
it or lose it) you get $85 for 10mb, or $15 for 1mb (you get 3 at optus for
the same)
Vodafone is pretty average with commitment levels like telstra (little
difference)

three.com.au has much faster data speeds, in there coverage zones, if you
really need the speed, this might be an option.
standard Telstra CDMA is 14.4/14.4 switched data calls and around 85kbs down
(uploads much slower, not sure of exact amount)
but your at the mercy of telstras expensive data rates, check out 1X data at
www.telstra.com.au/mobile and also has very limited
coverage..

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bnmkjj$1396va$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de...
Phil <haxby@removethisbitandjustleave dodo.com.au
wrote in message news:3f9e3289@news.comindico.com.au...
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Phil <haxby@removethisbitandjustleave dodo.com.au> wrote

I want to have around 56K mobile internet access
for my laptop with the aid of a mobile phone.

I hear that the GSM network is limited to only
9K as an absolute maximum. Is that correct?

Nope.

Any ideas in getting around that, say with two
or more mobiles simultaneously connected?

No need.

Is the new "3" network a viable option?

Depends on what you want to do. You do
realise that its just a few capital citys currently ?

Is CDMA any better?

Nope.

Thanks for "helping". Has anyone here had experience with doing this?

You'd be better off with aus.comms.mobile. I've added it to the newsgroup
list.

What speeds should I expect?

That sort of thing is now mostly done using GPRS
and that doesnt have that simple speed concept.

The thruput varys due to a number of factors, including
the way GPRS has been implemented by the mobile
telco, particularly on the channel capacity available
on the base you are communicating with etc.

You might be better off with WiFi tho, but you say so little
about what you actually want to do that thats harder to say.

I assume I can use just about any dialup ISP as the signals would be
transmitted in much the same way as your average modem (analogue).

Nope, its a fully digital service with GPRS particularly.

Let me know if this is not an accurate assumption.

See above.
Click to expand...
 
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:46:15 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:
<snip>

You might be better off with WiFi tho, but you say so little
about what you actually want to do that thats harder to say.

I assume I can use just about any dialup ISP as the signals would be
transmitted in much the same way as your average modem (analogue).

Nope, its a fully digital service with GPRS particularly.

Let me know if this is not an accurate assumption.

See above.
Click to expand...
My Ericsson R320s has a built in 56k modem, apparently just for that
purpose (laptop <--> mobile would be via infrared). I havent ever used it
for that, nor for WAP (it doesnt do GPRS).. whoever made the original
request might be interested in buying it from me..the phone has been
relegated back to its box and packing since I bought my 8310.
 
kyte wrote:
My Ericsson R320s has a built in 56k modem, apparently just for that
purpose (laptop <--> mobile would be via infrared). I havent ever used it
for that, nor for WAP (it doesnt do GPRS).. whoever made the original
request might be interested in buying it from me..the phone has been
relegated back to its box and packing since I bought my 8310.
Click to expand...
I have a Siemens ME 45 with GPRS and when Dodo was not authenticating my
user and pass. I hooked the mobile up to my comm 1 port and with the
software that was supplied with my phone I connected to the net with no
worries. Although I get charged 2.2 cents per BM and it really drains
the battery on the phone. I was quite surprised how fast it was actually
surfing the net with the mobile phone.
 
kyte wrote:

My Ericsson R320s has a built in 56k modem, apparently just for that
purpose (laptop <--> mobile would be via infrared).
Click to expand...
It may communicate at 56 or higher via IR, but it's limited to 9600 or 14400
depending on your carrier. (no 14.4 support here in oz as far as I could tell).

I havent ever used it for that,
Click to expand...
I have, it's slow(er), but it works.

nor for WAP (it doesnt do GPRS)..
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WAP was a flop before it began. By looking at what they were charging for it,
it didn't have a hope.

GSM modem calls end up being cheaper than voice calls, so unless you're
yapping on the keyboard while online, it ends up quite enconomical. Depends on
what you're doing though, 9600 might be slow for your purpose.

--
Linux Registered User # 302622 <http://counter.li.org>
 
Is that correct, 2 cents per megabyte and over you mobile phone?
sounds very cheap

Cheers


"Dan---" <tyreabuser@thehighway.com> wrote in message
news:3F9F2636.37F04767@thehighway.com...
kyte wrote:


My Ericsson R320s has a built in 56k modem, apparently just for that
purpose (laptop <--> mobile would be via infrared). I havent ever used
it
for that, nor for WAP (it doesnt do GPRS).. whoever made the original
request might be interested in buying it from me..the phone has been
relegated back to its box and packing since I bought my 8310.

I have a Siemens ME 45 with GPRS and when Dodo was not authenticating my
user and pass. I hooked the mobile up to my comm 1 port and with the
software that was supplied with my phone I connected to the net with no
worries. Although I get charged 2.2 cents per BM and it really drains
the battery on the phone. I was quite surprised how fast it was actually
surfing the net with the mobile phone.
Click to expand...
 
jet_328 wrote:
Is that correct, 2 cents per megabyte and over you mobile phone?
sounds very cheap
Click to expand...
Oh shit my bad its 2.2 cents per kb. Sorry massive brain fart.
Would be nice if it was 2.2 cents per MB. :)
 
"Josh" <josh@festy.org> wrote in message news:3F9E5F2E.2040103@festy.org...
Phil wrote:
I want to have around 56K mobile internet access for my laptop with the
aid
of a mobile phone.

I hear that the GSM network is limited to only 9K as an absolute
maximum. Is
that correct? Any ideas in getting around that, say with two or more
mobiles
simultaneously connected?

GPRS is reasonable, not quite 56k but better than 9600bps. Expensive
though, around 2c/kilobyte. Vodaphone offer a decent service, but pptp
vpn connections don't work too well due to their nat configuration.
Optus offer GPRS, but don't seem to know much about the product.
Vodaphone (and others) offer a pcmcia GPRS card that directly takes a
sim if that's more convenient than another phone, about $400 for the card.

It is possible to run multilink ppp over multiple gsm connections.

Josh
Click to expand...
So it seems that GPRS is the way to go. I had a look at the voda site.
Interesting that they don't mention the speed on any of their otherwise very
informative pages. 2 cents per KB is a bit rich. That's over $20 per MB!!

Cheers, Phil
 
2.2 cents per KB, not MB...

"Dan---" <tyreabuser@thehighway.com> wrote in message
news:3F9F2636.37F04767@thehighway.com...
kyte wrote:


My Ericsson R320s has a built in 56k modem, apparently just for that
purpose (laptop <--> mobile would be via infrared). I havent ever used
it
for that, nor for WAP (it doesnt do GPRS).. whoever made the original
request might be interested in buying it from me..the phone has been
relegated back to its box and packing since I bought my 8310.

I have a Siemens ME 45 with GPRS and when Dodo was not authenticating my
user and pass. I hooked the mobile up to my comm 1 port and with the
software that was supplied with my phone I connected to the net with no
worries. Although I get charged 2.2 cents per BM and it really drains
the battery on the phone. I was quite surprised how fast it was actually
surfing the net with the mobile phone.
Click to expand...
 
Is the new "3" network a viable option?

Depends on what you want to do. You do
realise that its just a few capital citys currently ?
Click to expand...
have a college who uses 3 in Norwood Adelaide and complains that there is no
reception in his apartment. (Norwood is a 5 minute drive out Adelaide
CBD).... he has to go out on the main street to get reception...
 
"Josh" <josh@festy.org> wrote in message news:3F9E5F2E.2040103@festy.org...
Phil wrote:
I want to have around 56K mobile internet access for my laptop with the
aid
of a mobile phone.

I hear that the GSM network is limited to only 9K as an absolute
maximum. Is
that correct? Any ideas in getting around that, say with two or more
mobiles
simultaneously connected?

GPRS is reasonable, not quite 56k but better than 9600bps. Expensive
though, around 2c/kilobyte. Vodaphone offer a decent service, but pptp
vpn connections don't work too well due to their nat configuration.
Optus offer GPRS, but don't seem to know much about the product.
Vodaphone (and others) offer a pcmcia GPRS card that directly takes a
sim if that's more convenient than another phone, about $400 for the card.

It is possible to run multilink ppp over multiple gsm connections.

Josh
Click to expand...
Wow, Vodafone have responded to my email. I'm surprised. Here is what they
say about the speed of the connection:
Hi Phil,

Thank you for your enquiry.

Please be advised the GPRS download speed is approximately 20 - 40Kb per
second. This rate is handset dependent and also depends on the time of day
the download is attempted. Please note congestion may be caused by many
users connecting at the same time.

We trust this has addressed your enquiry.

Vodafone.

Pretty crappy for over $20 per MB. I'll have to sit on my hands till it gets
cheaper.

-Phil
 
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