Microwaving an IC. Anyone know what happens?

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David Eather

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Just a stupid question - if I had a spare oven I would just do the
experiment and find out. Unfortunately I only have one and it cooks my
dinner.

What would happen if you stuck a IC in a microwave and zapped it?

If it was just a bare chip?

If it was in a DIP, SOIC, SOT or similar package?

Does anyone know or does anyone have an oven not used for food and is
prepared to experiment?

It is just curiosity but thanks for any answers
 
"David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au> wrote in
news:eek:p.wqyd9cb4wei6gd@phenom-pc:

Just a stupid question - if I had a spare oven I would just do the
experiment and find out. Unfortunately I only have one and it cooks my
dinner.

What would happen if you stuck a IC in a microwave and zapped it?

If it was just a bare chip?

If it was in a DIP, SOIC, SOT or similar package?

Does anyone know or does anyone have an oven not used for food and is
prepared to experiment?

It is just curiosity but thanks for any answers

As an experiment, put an old cd in the microwave(also
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put a glas of water in there to protect your micro).
Then imagine what happens to an IC with those fieldstrength
and voltages present...........
 
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:12:28 +1000, Sjouke Burry <s@b> wrote:

"David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au> wrote in
news:eek:p.wqyd9cb4wei6gd@phenom-pc:

Just a stupid question - if I had a spare oven I would just do the
experiment and find out. Unfortunately I only have one and it cooks my
dinner.

What would happen if you stuck a IC in a microwave and zapped it?

If it was just a bare chip?

If it was in a DIP, SOIC, SOT or similar package?

Does anyone know or does anyone have an oven not used for food and is
prepared to experiment?

It is just curiosity but thanks for any answers

As an experiment, put an old cd in the microwave(also
put a glas of water in there to protect your micro).
Then imagine what happens to an IC with those fieldstrength
and voltages present...........
Click to expand...
I've done the CD thing before, but a chip is so small (much smaller than
the wave length of the microwave oven) I wonder is it has any effect at
all.
 
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:54:28 +0000 (GMT), Mr Ron
<MrRonMan@sand-hill.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

In article <op.wqyzp9kcwei6gd@phenom-pc>,
David Eather <eather@tpg.com.au> wrote:
What would happen if you stuck a IC in a microwave and zapped it?

It'll cook it like anything else. Heat up, sparks, etc. Not very exciting.
Catch fire & burn eventually.
Click to expand...
If it's much smaller than a wavelength, why? Where is the impedance
matching?
 
In article <op.wqyzp9kcwei6gd@phenom-pc>,
David Eather <eather@tpg.com.au> wrote:
What would happen if you stuck a IC in a microwave and zapped it?
Click to expand...
It'll cook it like anything else. Heat up, sparks, etc. Not very exciting.
Catch fire & burn eventually.

Ron

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On 15/01/2013 8:57 PM, David Eather wrote:
Just a stupid question - if I had a spare oven I would just do the
experiment and find out. Unfortunately I only have one and it cooks my
dinner.

What would happen if you stuck a IC in a microwave and zapped it?

If it was just a bare chip?

If it was in a DIP, SOIC, SOT or similar package?

Does anyone know or does anyone have an oven not used for food and is
prepared to experiment?

It is just curiosity but thanks for any answers
Click to expand...
Why not put one in with your coffee next ??
 
On Jan 15, 4:47 pm, k...@attt.bizz wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:54:28 +0000 (GMT), Mr Ron

MrRon...@sand-hill.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
In article <op.wqyzp9kcwei6gd@phenom-pc>,
  David Eather <eat...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
What would happen if you stuck a IC in a microwave and zapped it?

It'll cook it like anything else. Heat up, sparks, etc. Not very exciting.
Catch fire & burn eventually.

If it's much smaller than a wavelength, why?  Where is the impedance
matching?
Click to expand...
I think things much smaller than a wavelength can still absorb
energy.
(Well as long as it's not at an E field node.)
The E field can drag a water molecule's dipole moment back and forth.
And if there's a conductor move electrons about.
(I can think of lots of other examples... maybe I mis-understood?)

George H.
 
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:47:22 +1000, <krw@attt.bizz> wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:54:28 +0000 (GMT), Mr Ron
MrRonMan@sand-hill.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

In article <op.wqyzp9kcwei6gd@phenom-pc>,
David Eather <eather@tpg.com.au> wrote:
What would happen if you stuck a IC in a microwave and zapped it?

It'll cook it like anything else. Heat up, sparks, etc. Not very
exciting.
Catch fire & burn eventually.

If it's much smaller than a wavelength, why? Where is the impedance
matching?
Click to expand...
Which is why my question. Ants can survive in a working microwave (I've
seen it) but a mouse won't (a mates wife/ex wife proved that accidentally).

But an IC with all those semiconductor junctions and bits of metal?.....
 
David Eather wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:47:22 +1000, <krw@attt.bizz> wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:54:28 +0000 (GMT), Mr Ron
MrRonMan@sand-hill.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

In article <op.wqyzp9kcwei6gd@phenom-pc>,
David Eather <eather@tpg.com.au> wrote:
What would happen if you stuck a IC in a microwave and zapped it?

It'll cook it like anything else. Heat up, sparks, etc. Not very
exciting.
Catch fire & burn eventually.

If it's much smaller than a wavelength, why? Where is the impedance
matching?


Which is why my question. Ants can survive in a working microwave (I've
seen it) but a mouse won't (a mates wife/ex wife proved that accidentally).
Click to expand...

How much is in an ant that the microwave can affect? It has an
exoskeleton.


> But an IC with all those semiconductor junctions and bits of metal?.....
 
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 01:24:25 +1000, Michael A. Terrell
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

David Eather wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:47:22 +1000, <krw@attt.bizz> wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:54:28 +0000 (GMT), Mr Ron
MrRonMan@sand-hill.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

In article <op.wqyzp9kcwei6gd@phenom-pc>,
David Eather <eather@tpg.com.au> wrote:
What would happen if you stuck a IC in a microwave and zapped it?

It'll cook it like anything else. Heat up, sparks, etc. Not very
exciting.
Catch fire & burn eventually.

If it's much smaller than a wavelength, why? Where is the impedance
matching?


Which is why my question. Ants can survive in a working microwave (I've
seen it) but a mouse won't (a mates wife/ex wife proved that
accidentally).


How much is in an ant that the microwave can affect? It has an
exoskeleton.
Click to expand...
It also has water and the exoskeleton is not microwave proof

But an IC with all those semiconductor junctions and bits of metal?.....
Click to expand...
 
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:57:02 +1000, "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au>
wrote:

Just a stupid question - if I had a spare oven I would just do the
experiment and find out. Unfortunately I only have one and it cooks my
dinner.
Click to expand...
---
And therefore it's out of the running, why?
---

What would happen if you stuck a IC in a microwave and zapped it?

If it was just a bare chip?

If it was in a DIP, SOIC, SOT or similar package?

Does anyone know or does anyone have an oven not used for food and is
prepared to experiment?

It is just curiosity but thanks for any answers
Click to expand...
---
If it's just for curiosity, why don't you do the experiment yourself
and report what you find instead of trying to inveigle others to do
your legwork?

--
JF
 
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:45:53 +1000, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:57:02 +1000, "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au
wrote:

Just a stupid question - if I had a spare oven I would just do the
experiment and find out. Unfortunately I only have one and it cooks my
dinner.

---
And therefore it's out of the running, why?
---
Click to expand...
I'm not particularly sure that the by-products are safe to eat (are they?
or aren't there any by-products?) - which is why I said I had a microwave
which cooks my dinner but wouldn't do the experiment. I could have said I
just didn't have one and let some helpful chap use his without any heads
up.


What would happen if you stuck a IC in a microwave and zapped it?

If it was just a bare chip?

If it was in a DIP, SOIC, SOT or similar package?

Does anyone know or does anyone have an oven not used for food and is
prepared to experiment?

It is just curiosity but thanks for any answers

---
If it's just for curiosity, why don't you do the experiment yourself
and report what you find instead of trying to inveigle others to do
your legwork?
Click to expand...
Inventors such as inhabit electronics newsgroups are the curious type
(also the political type, argumentative type, humorous type,....) - maybe
someone has already done this? or perhaps there is a simple answer based
on physics that provides an absolute answer that I have overlooked. Like
maybe the size vs wave length means that no effects are possible? In any
case an answer or discussion might be of interest to others

Every question on Usenet is essentially an attempt to leverage the work of
others so I'm not going to feel guilty about asking.

I could buy a second microwave but this seems very excessive since the one
I have got is otherwise adequate (and antique) but I really need a new
fridge (it was cleaned with a number of environmentally friendly products
which has devastated the enamel and caused it to rust very badly - but
that is a different story)
 
David Eather wrote:
I could buy a second microwave but this seems very excessive since the one
I have got is otherwise adequate (and antique) but I really need a new
fridge (it was cleaned with a number of environmentally friendly products
which has devastated the enamel and caused it to rust very badly - but
that is a different story)
Click to expand...

BUY A Microwave? You can't scrounge up a working unit? The only one
I ever bought was $2, and I haven't been without a working unit since
'85.
 
On 2013-01-15, David Eather <eather@tpg.com.au> wrote:
Just a stupid question - if I had a spare oven I would just do the
experiment and find out. Unfortunately I only have one and it cooks my
dinner.

What would happen if you stuck a IC in a microwave and zapped it?
Click to expand...
that could destroy the functionality of the chip

If it was just a bare chip?
Click to expand...
maybe it would escape, but I would have no way to test it.

If it was in a DIP, SOIC, SOT or similar package?
Click to expand...
probably be destroyed by over-voltage, and/or excessive dV/dt

Does anyone know or does anyone have an oven not used for food and is
prepared to experiment?
Click to expand...
food residue is unliklely to effect the result

runs shorter than 30 seconds are unlikly to damage the oven.

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On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:27:32 +1000, Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2013-01-15, David Eather <eather@tpg.com.au> wrote:
Just a stupid question - if I had a spare oven I would just do the
experiment and find out. Unfortunately I only have one and it cooks my
dinner.

What would happen if you stuck a IC in a microwave and zapped it?

that could destroy the functionality of the chip

If it was just a bare chip?

maybe it would escape, but I would have no way to test it.

If it was in a DIP, SOIC, SOT or similar package?

probably be destroyed by over-voltage, and/or excessive dV/dt

Does anyone know or does anyone have an oven not used for food and is
prepared to experiment?

food residue is unliklely to effect the result
Click to expand...
That's not what I meant. I was thinking that IC residue might effect the
experimenter


runs shorter than 30 seconds are unlikly to damage the oven.
Click to expand...
 
In article <op.wq4jncfuwei6gd@phenom-pc>, David Eather <eather@tpg.com.au>
wrote:

That's not what I meant. I was thinking that IC residue might effect the
experimenter
Click to expand...
I undertstand that burnt electronic parts can be carciogenic and are
probably harmful anyway if not.

Ron

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Mr Ron <MrRonMan@sand-hill.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
news:5310694ac9MrRonMan@sand-hill.freeserve.co.uk:

In article <op.wq4jncfuwei6gd@phenom-pc>, David Eather
eather@tpg.com.au> wrote:

That's not what I meant. I was thinking that IC residue might effect
the experimenter

I undertstand that burnt electronic parts can be carciogenic and are
probably harmful anyway if not.

Ron
Click to expand...
So can burnt toast, a nicely seared steak, or smoked salami.

Lets not even mention the risks of soldering . . . .

Use a plate you are never going to use for food, cover the experiment
with a glass jar or similar, clean the microwave afterwards and the risks
are minimal.

Use some common sense and DO NOT microwave any power devices that may
contain Beryllium Oxide, or components that are likely to contain
significant quantities of high toxicity heavy metals, fluorocarbons or
known carcinogens (except California only ones!).

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:38:52 +0000 (UTC), Ian Malcolm
<See.My.Sig.for.email@totally.invalid> wrote:

Mr Ron <MrRonMan@sand-hill.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
news:5310694ac9MrRonMan@sand-hill.freeserve.co.uk:

In article <op.wq4jncfuwei6gd@phenom-pc>, David Eather
eather@tpg.com.au> wrote:

That's not what I meant. I was thinking that IC residue might effect
the experimenter

I undertstand that burnt electronic parts can be carciogenic and are
probably harmful anyway if not.

Ron


So can burnt toast, a nicely seared steak, or smoked salami.

Lets not even mention the risks of soldering . . . .

Use a plate you are never going to use for food, cover the experiment
with a glass jar or similar, clean the microwave afterwards and the risks
are minimal.

Use some common sense and DO NOT microwave any power devices that may
contain Beryllium Oxide, or components that are likely to contain
significant quantities of high toxicity heavy metals, fluorocarbons or
known carcinogens (except California only ones!).
All this talk and no action. Yesterday I microwaved an IC from a cell
Click to expand...
phone. Nothing happened, even after 1 minute, except the chip may have
gotten a little warm.
Eric
 
On 2013-01-19, etpm@whidbey.com <etpm@whidbey.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:38:52 +0000 (UTC), Ian Malcolm
See.My.Sig.for.email@totally.invalid> wrote:

Mr Ron <MrRonMan@sand-hill.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
news:5310694ac9MrRonMan@sand-hill.freeserve.co.uk:

In article <op.wq4jncfuwei6gd@phenom-pc>, David Eather
eather@tpg.com.au> wrote:

That's not what I meant. I was thinking that IC residue might effect
the experimenter

I undertstand that burnt electronic parts can be carciogenic and are
probably harmful anyway if not.

Ron


So can burnt toast, a nicely seared steak, or smoked salami.

Lets not even mention the risks of soldering . . . .

Use a plate you are never going to use for food, cover the experiment
with a glass jar or similar, clean the microwave afterwards and the risks
are minimal.

Use some common sense and DO NOT microwave any power devices that may
contain Beryllium Oxide, or components that are likely to contain
significant quantities of high toxicity heavy metals, fluorocarbons or
known carcinogens (except California only ones!).
All this talk and no action. Yesterday I microwaved an IC from a cell
phone. Nothing happened, even after 1 minute, except the chip may have
gotten a little warm.
Click to expand...
Did the chip still work after?




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