Microprocessor trainer for very intelligent youth

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A year ago I got my nephew a Maxitronics 500 in 1 kit from Ramsey
Electronics <http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/> and he is almost
finished with it, and I am looking at something a little more advanced
for him to learn on. His favorite part of the kit was the software
portion using the 4-bit processor to program, and I am looking for
something along those lines. He can solder pretty well and has built
other Ramsey kits, but we discussed it and I think a microprossing
trainer should be next on his list.

My nephew is 11 going on to 12, pretty smart, and has the drive to do
this, so I am not too worried. The summer break is coming soon and
this should give him plenty to do and learn, but I am needing
assistance in choosing a good trainer kit for him to use.

I have done some research and googled a lot, and based on his
interests and skill level, I was thinking of having him train on a
intel based processor. I know there are advantages to each trainer,
but want everyone's experiences with 8051, 8085, and 8088 trainers.

First of all, I got from my local used book store the 8088 Project
Book by Robert Grossblatt. I do not know if this is going to be his
second project or if it should be his first. Anyhow, I have been
looking at microprocessor kits to start him off and found the
following kits that I am interested in:

I found EMAC <http://www.emacinc.com/> has several 8085 based
trainers. Any recommendation on these?

Elenco <http://www.elenco.com/> has one 8085 based trainer, it appears
to be a good value for the money. Opinions?

Cygnal <http://www.silabs.com/products/microcontroller/developmenttools.asp>
has 8051 based trainers with varying configurations.

Flite <http://www.flite.co.uk/micros.html> has quite a few trainers,
including Motorola based 68x trainers. If my nephew does well with the
intel based trainers, I think he would be interested in these, but any
other recommendations?

I have seen others, but these interest me right now. I think I would
rather go with the 8085 or the 8088 rather than the 8051, but I have
seen the Cygnal kits very highly recommended by others here.

TIA! Please respond here, emails will be most likely ignored.
 
No email please! <cableNOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote:
I have done some research and googled a lot, and based on his
interests and skill level, I was thinking of having him train on a
intel based processor. I know there are advantages to each trainer,
but want everyone's experiences with 8051, 8085, and 8088 trainers.
You'll find far more 'peer support' out there these days for people using
Microchip PICs and Atmel AVRs than the 8085 or 8088. 8051 is certainly
still popular as well, although it's on the decline. TI MSP430s seem to be
rising in popularity. However, there are literally thousands of web sites
out there devoted to hobbiest usage of the PICs, and although it's not
exactly my favorite CPU, it's a perfectly good one to learn on... hence
that's what I'd recommend for your nephew. If/when he does outgrow the
PICs, the Motorola 68K series is a good 'step up' (but ask him if he sees
the value in such a processor: it takes awhile to recognize why in the world
you'd want a 'bare' 32 bit CPU core when you typically lose out on all those
cool peripherals stuck inside of the 8 bit MCUs of the world)... the
Coldfire processors are the current incarnation of 68K, BTW.

TIA! Please respond here, emails will be most likely ignored.
That's a bizarre attitude (ignoring e-mails) for someone expecting personal
advice! It's not like we'll necessarily know if you ever read these posts
either...
 
"Joel Kolstad" <JKolstad71HatesSpam@Yahoo.Com> wrote in message news:c9dj12
No email please! <cableNOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote:

TIA! Please respond here, emails will be most likely ignored.

That's a bizarre attitude (ignoring e-mails) for someone expecting
personal
advice! It's not like we'll necessarily know if you ever read these posts
either...
Actually, ignoring mail encourages good netiquette. There are a substantial
number of USENET users who don't like it when people request email replies.
Sort of like, "You ask here, you can come get your answer here." I tend to
agree, albeit I try not to be a fanatic about it. So, saying email won't
even be looked at is at worst, neutral. :)

Hope This Helps!
Rich
 
....

My nephew is 11 going on to 12, pretty smart, and has the drive to do
this, so I am not too worried. The summer break is coming soon and
this should give him plenty to do and learn, but I am needing
assistance in choosing a good trainer kit for him to use.

I have done some research and googled a lot, and based on his
interests and skill level, I was thinking of having him train on a
intel based processor. I know there are advantages to each trainer,
but want everyone's experiences with 8051, 8085, and 8088 trainers.
I think you should choose a CPU with more newbie support, eg PIC or AVR.
I think support counts more then technical advantages when first
learning microcontrollers. Take a look at piclist.com or avrfreaks.com.

Rather then buy a 'trainer', I personally would put the money into a
decent but cheap programmer, and lots of parts to play with. A PIC can
be easily built on a breadboard - no PCB required.

Al
 
On 30 May 2004 09:06:25 -0700, cableNOSPAM@earthlink.net (No email please!)
wrote:

My nephew is 11 going on to 12, pretty smart, and has the drive to do
this, so I am not too worried. The summer break is coming soon and
this should give him plenty to do and learn, but I am needing
assistance in choosing a good trainer kit for him to use.
For heaven sake man! get the kid outdoors, have him join a little league
baseball team...you're gonna give him a heartache before he's 21...
This hi-tech generation gets no exercise...curse those computers...

Remove "HeadFromButt", before replying by email.
 
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On 30 May 2004 09:06:25 -0700, cableNOSPAM@earthlink.net (No email
please!)
wrote:

My nephew is 11 going on to 12, pretty smart, and has the drive to do
this, so I am not too worried. The summer break is coming soon and
this should give him plenty to do and learn, but I am needing
assistance in choosing a good trainer kit for him to use.

For heaven sake man! get the kid outdoors, have him join a little league
baseball team...you're gonna give him a heartache before he's 21...
This hi-tech generation gets no exercise...curse those computers...

Ah, hell, I didn't get any exercise either. This kid doesn't sound like
the "hi-tech generation" you're talking about - it sounds like he's
fascinated with this stuff and wants to learn more. I'd say that's
a hell of a lot more important to society than another jock.

Cheers!
Rich
 
cableNOSPAM@earthlink.net (No email please!) wrote in message news:<ceee7a.0405300806.5ebd85dd@posting.google.com>...

....

I have done some research and googled a lot, and based on his
interests and skill level, I was thinking of having him train on a
intel based processor. I know there are advantages to each trainer,
but want everyone's experiences with 8051, 8085, and 8088 trainers.
....

Let me clarify a few things. First, we had discussed getting a PIC
programmer and prototype board, but his interest was more towards the
80xx processors, especially after speaking with the digital
electronics instructor at the nearest community college. There they
teach both PIC and 8051, however much he wanted to take a summer
course, both my nephew and the instructor decided that he was not
ready for the mathmatics.

I *know* that the PIC is much more adaptable, and that the learning
curve is easier, but he felt that the 80xx was more interesting and I
felt that the training materials were a bit more structured, and that
is what I think he needs most. In a way, I was a bit disappointed that
he did not go the PIC route, however its like to force him to play
basketball when he really wants to play soccer. His interest and
desires lie elsewhere.

On the point of making sure the kid goes outside every once in a
while, he does. I actually thought of posting that information in the
original message. He does both winter and summer team sports, but that
discussion is not germane, so I left it out.

TIA if you can help out, I was hoping that someone could comment on
the original trainers, or recommend a better one and let me know why.
 

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