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John Larkin

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https://menlomicro.com/products/rf

People keep introducing breakthrough MEMS relays but, so far, none
have been successful products.

Omron introduced a MEMS relay but they seem EOL already.
 
On a sunny day (Wed, 14 Jun 2023 22:36:10 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<t88l8iljul0khj5mcpfdnm098ros8h254m@4ax.com>:

https://menlomicro.com/products/rf

People keep introducing breakthrough MEMS relays but, so far, none
have been successful products.

Omron introduced a MEMS relay but they seem EOL already.

Specs look OK, but
https://menlomicro.com/technology/how-it-works
gate???
 
On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 06:33:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 14 Jun 2023 22:36:10 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
t88l8iljul0khj5mcpfdnm098ros8h254m@4ax.com>:

https://menlomicro.com/products/rf

People keep introducing breakthrough MEMS relays but, so far, none
have been successful products.

Omron introduced a MEMS relay but they seem EOL already.

Specs look OK, but
https://menlomicro.com/technology/how-it-works
gate???

MEMS makes good accelerometers and microphones, and pretty good
oscillators (although quartz works fine) but has so far not been
reliable as relay contacts. I sampled some fabulous MEMS relays about
20 years ago, but that outfit soon gave up.

One could make a MEMS varicap, but that would have problems too.

Micromirrors seem to work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEMS#Applications

That list doesn\'t include relays.
 
On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 2:33:55 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 14 Jun 2023 22:36:10 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
t88l8iljul0khj5mc...@4ax.com>:
https://menlomicro.com/products/rf

People keep introducing breakthrough MEMS relays but, so far, none
have been successful products.

Omron introduced a MEMS relay but they seem EOL already.
Specs look OK, but
https://menlomicro.com/technology/how-it-works
gate???

Interesting, but you can\'t switch it on when there is voltage across the contacts. That seems pretty limiting for signal uses.

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On a sunny day (Thu, 15 Jun 2023 06:59:06 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<un5m8i1iau5v4bb1f9qojfe3pdf6pdm3c2@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 06:33:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 14 Jun 2023 22:36:10 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
t88l8iljul0khj5mcpfdnm098ros8h254m@4ax.com>:

https://menlomicro.com/products/rf

People keep introducing breakthrough MEMS relays but, so far, none
have been successful products.

Omron introduced a MEMS relay but they seem EOL already.

Specs look OK, but
https://menlomicro.com/technology/how-it-works
gate???

MEMS makes good accelerometers and microphones, and pretty good
oscillators (although quartz works fine) but has so far not been
reliable as relay contacts. I sampled some fabulous MEMS relays about
20 years ago, but that outfit soon gave up.

One could make a MEMS varicap, but that would have problems too.

Micromirrors seem to work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEMS#Applications

That list doesn\'t include relays.

Yes, I use a
MPU6050 9 axis sensor, a HMC5883 magnetic compass and a BMP180 digital pressure sensor in my xgpspc navigation system:
http://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xgpspc/raspi_add_on_compass_accelerometer_pressure_GPS_interface_IMG_4949.JPG
https://panteltje.nl/pub/xgpspc_laptop_screenshot_IMG_7325.JPG
note r -3 an p -4 degrees roll and pitch at bottom screen
does auto pilot GPS, ADSB(planes), AIS(boats) etc too:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/boats_and_planes.gif
latest one even has a fire solution....
;-)

I take it that the how-it-works link for their relays is a big simplification.
Have not encountered any of their stuff so far.
I do have some nice RF relais.
 
On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 16:01:36 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 15 Jun 2023 06:59:06 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
un5m8i1iau5v4bb1f9qojfe3pdf6pdm3c2@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 06:33:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 14 Jun 2023 22:36:10 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
t88l8iljul0khj5mcpfdnm098ros8h254m@4ax.com>:

https://menlomicro.com/products/rf

People keep introducing breakthrough MEMS relays but, so far, none
have been successful products.

Omron introduced a MEMS relay but they seem EOL already.

Specs look OK, but
https://menlomicro.com/technology/how-it-works
gate???

MEMS makes good accelerometers and microphones, and pretty good
oscillators (although quartz works fine) but has so far not been
reliable as relay contacts. I sampled some fabulous MEMS relays about
20 years ago, but that outfit soon gave up.

One could make a MEMS varicap, but that would have problems too.

Micromirrors seem to work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEMS#Applications

That list doesn\'t include relays.

Yes, I use a
MPU6050 9 axis sensor, a HMC5883 magnetic compass and a BMP180 digital pressure sensor in my xgpspc navigation system:
http://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xgpspc/raspi_add_on_compass_accelerometer_pressure_GPS_interface_IMG_4949.JPG
https://panteltje.nl/pub/xgpspc_laptop_screenshot_IMG_7325.JPG
note r -3 an p -4 degrees roll and pitch at bottom screen
does auto pilot GPS, ADSB(planes), AIS(boats) etc too:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/boats_and_planes.gif
latest one even has a fire solution....
;-)

I take it that the how-it-works link for their relays is a big simplification.

The classic MEMS relay killer has been contacts sticking closed.

People keep trying.

Have not encountered any of their stuff so far.
I do have some nice RF relais.

I like the little DPDT telecom relays, like the Fujitsu FTR
surface-mount parts. They cost around a dollar and work fine to about
3 GHz. Once you call a relay an \"RF\" part, the price explodes.
 
On a sunny day (Thu, 15 Jun 2023 09:12:02 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<epdm8i5u9oroorqfub0d9tbsjf4sodd8lp@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 16:01:36 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 15 Jun 2023 06:59:06 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
un5m8i1iau5v4bb1f9qojfe3pdf6pdm3c2@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 06:33:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 14 Jun 2023 22:36:10 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
t88l8iljul0khj5mcpfdnm098ros8h254m@4ax.com>:

https://menlomicro.com/products/rf

People keep introducing breakthrough MEMS relays but, so far, none
have been successful products.

Omron introduced a MEMS relay but they seem EOL already.

Specs look OK, but
https://menlomicro.com/technology/how-it-works
gate???

MEMS makes good accelerometers and microphones, and pretty good
oscillators (although quartz works fine) but has so far not been
reliable as relay contacts. I sampled some fabulous MEMS relays about
20 years ago, but that outfit soon gave up.

One could make a MEMS varicap, but that would have problems too.

Micromirrors seem to work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEMS#Applications

That list doesn\'t include relays.

Yes, I use a
MPU6050 9 axis sensor, a HMC5883 magnetic compass and a BMP180 digital pressure sensor in my xgpspc navigation system:
http://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xgpspc/raspi_add_on_compass_accelerometer_pressure_GPS_interface_IMG_4949.JPG
https://panteltje.nl/pub/xgpspc_laptop_screenshot_IMG_7325.JPG
note r -3 an p -4 degrees roll and pitch at bottom screen
does auto pilot GPS, ADSB(planes), AIS(boats) etc too:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/boats_and_planes.gif
latest one even has a fire solution....
;-)

I take it that the how-it-works link for their relays is a big simplification.

The classic MEMS relay killer has been contacts sticking closed.

People keep trying.

Have not encountered any of their stuff so far.
I do have some nice RF relais.

I like the little DPDT telecom relays, like the Fujitsu FTR
surface-mount parts. They cost around a dollar and work fine to about
3 GHz. Once you call a relay an \"RF\" part, the price explodes.

All this comes from the superconducting filter unit I bought on ebay:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/SMA_relays_IXIMG_0872.JPG
 
On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 01:48:32 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 15 Jun 2023 09:12:02 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
epdm8i5u9oroorqfub0d9tbsjf4sodd8lp@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 16:01:36 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 15 Jun 2023 06:59:06 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
un5m8i1iau5v4bb1f9qojfe3pdf6pdm3c2@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 06:33:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 14 Jun 2023 22:36:10 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
t88l8iljul0khj5mcpfdnm098ros8h254m@4ax.com>:

https://menlomicro.com/products/rf

People keep introducing breakthrough MEMS relays but, so far, none
have been successful products.

Omron introduced a MEMS relay but they seem EOL already.

Specs look OK, but
https://menlomicro.com/technology/how-it-works
gate???

MEMS makes good accelerometers and microphones, and pretty good
oscillators (although quartz works fine) but has so far not been
reliable as relay contacts. I sampled some fabulous MEMS relays about
20 years ago, but that outfit soon gave up.

One could make a MEMS varicap, but that would have problems too.

Micromirrors seem to work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEMS#Applications

That list doesn\'t include relays.

Yes, I use a
MPU6050 9 axis sensor, a HMC5883 magnetic compass and a BMP180 digital pressure sensor in my xgpspc navigation system:
http://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xgpspc/raspi_add_on_compass_accelerometer_pressure_GPS_interface_IMG_4949.JPG
https://panteltje.nl/pub/xgpspc_laptop_screenshot_IMG_7325.JPG
note r -3 an p -4 degrees roll and pitch at bottom screen
does auto pilot GPS, ADSB(planes), AIS(boats) etc too:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/boats_and_planes.gif
latest one even has a fire solution....
;-)

I take it that the how-it-works link for their relays is a big simplification.

The classic MEMS relay killer has been contacts sticking closed.

People keep trying.

Have not encountered any of their stuff so far.
I do have some nice RF relais.

I like the little DPDT telecom relays, like the Fujitsu FTR
surface-mount parts. They cost around a dollar and work fine to about
3 GHz. Once you call a relay an \"RF\" part, the price explodes.

All this comes from the superconducting filter unit I bought on ebay:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/SMA_relays_IXIMG_0872.JPG

Those types are great but are very expensive new.
 

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