Means of dropping watch battery voltage by .2 Volts

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I am a watch collector & repairer. I also have a fair, though somewhat
dated, electronics background. I have several early '60's vintage
Bulova Accutron wristwatches. These watches operate using a very basic
oscillator circuit which energizes a tuning fork via a pair of coils.
The tuning fork then drives the mechanical movement of the timepiece. A
basic description can be found here:
http://www.timezone.com/library/horologium/horologium631672882451976629

These are very cool watches to the collector. They are stylistically
very much of their era, and because of the tuning forks, they hum,
rather than tick. The problem is, they were originally designed to run
on a 1.35 volt mercury oxide cell (343) which is no longer available.
There is a 1.55v silver cell which will fit, but it can cause some
Accutrons to run very fast, and possibly even damage them. At least one
supplier sells modified cells with a component to drop the cell's
voltage to 1.35 volts. I think this is accomplished with a surface
mount type diode. Here's a thread on these cells in a watch discussion,
with pictures of the component added
http://bdwf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=75397 I would like to simply
insert an appropriate diode (or other component) into the circuit of the
watches as a one time modification, after which I can use the much
cheaper/readily available silver cells. But, as I said, my electronic
component knowledge is late 70's vintage, so I'm not sure what component
to add. I know in general silicon diodes have a forward voltage drop on
..7V, germaniums, .3V, so I'm not sure how to produce .2V. A zener? A
Schottky? Anyone have any suggestions on what would lower the output
of the 1.55 volt cells to 1.35 volts, over the life of the cell? It
would have to be fairly small, about 1/2 the size of a 1/4 watt
resistor, or less.

TIA

Dan
 
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I am a watch collector & repairer. I also have a fair, though somewhat
dated, electronics background. I have several early '60's vintage Bulova
Accutron wristwatches. These watches operate using a very basic oscillator
circuit which energizes a tuning fork via a pair of coils. The tuning fork
then drives the mechanical movement of the timepiece. A basic description
can be found here:
http://www.timezone.com/library/horologium/horologium631672882451976629

These are very cool watches to the collector. They are stylistically very
much of their era, and because of the tuning forks, they hum, rather than
tick. The problem is, they were originally designed to run on a 1.35 volt
mercury oxide cell (343) which is no longer available. There is a 1.55v
silver cell which will fit, but it can cause some Accutrons to run very
fast, and possibly even damage them. At least one supplier sells modified
cells with a component to drop the cell's voltage to 1.35 volts. I think
this is accomplished with a surface mount type diode. Here's a thread on
these cells in a watch discussion, with pictures of the component added
http://bdwf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=75397 I would like to simply insert
an appropriate diode (or other component) into the circuit of the watches
as a one time modification, after which I can use the much cheaper/readily
available silver cells. But, as I said, my electronic component knowledge
is late 70's vintage, so I'm not sure what component to add. I know in
general silicon diodes have a forward voltage drop on .7V, germaniums,
.3V, so I'm not sure how to produce .2V. A zener? A Schottky? Anyone
have any suggestions on what would lower the output of the 1.55 volt cells
to 1.35 volts, over the life of the cell? It would have to be fairly
small, about 1/2 the size of a 1/4 watt resistor, or less.
Interesting technology. Never heard about it before :)
I would rather use a very low dropout small LDO regulator and maybe a 3v
battery. It would give you a 1.35v for a longer period than a 1.55v. Not
sure if you can find 3v batteries in the size you need tho.

Maybe http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps79101.pdf ? (the adjustable
version TPS79101DBV needs a couple of resistors to set 1.35v, and one small
capacitor on the output). Seems to be available in qty of 1's at
digikey.com. I wouldnt start soldering wires to this tho.. A tiny pcb could
do the job.
 
D <none@hotmail.com> wrote:

to add. I know in general silicon diodes have a forward voltage drop on
.7V, germaniums, .3V, so I'm not sure how to produce .2V. A zener? A
Schottky?
Diode voltage is very dependant on diode current at low levels so it would
help to have an estimate of battery current, perhaps calculated from
typical battery life and capacity.

A small Schottky will drop around 0.12v at 10uA.

I would get one, stick it in and see what happens. If you have a decent
meter you could measure the drop across the diode.
 
On Jul 7, 8:21 pm, D <n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am a watch collector & repairer.  I also have a fair, though somewhat
dated, electronics background.  I have several early '60's vintage
Bulova Accutron wristwatches.  These watches operate using a very basic
oscillator circuit which energizes a tuning fork via a pair of coils.
The tuning fork then drives the mechanical movement of the timepiece.  A
basic description can be found here:http://www.timezone.com/library/horologium/horologium631672882451976629

These are very cool watches to the collector.  They are stylistically
very much of their era, and because of the tuning forks, they hum,
rather than tick.  The problem is, they were originally designed to run
on a 1.35 volt mercury oxide cell (343) which is no longer available.
There is a 1.55v silver cell which will fit, but it can cause some
Accutrons to run very fast, and possibly even damage them.  At least one
supplier sells modified cells with a component to drop the cell's
voltage to 1.35 volts.  I think this is accomplished with a surface
mount type diode. Here's a thread on these cells in a watch discussion,
with pictures of the component addedhttp://bdwf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=75397I would like to simply
insert an appropriate diode (or other component) into the circuit of the
watches as a one time modification, after which I can use the much
cheaper/readily available silver cells.  But, as I said, my electronic
component knowledge is late 70's vintage, so I'm not sure what component
to add. I know in general silicon diodes have a forward voltage drop on
.7V, germaniums, .3V, so I'm not sure how to produce .2V.  A zener?  A
Schottky?   Anyone have any suggestions on what would lower the output
of the 1.55 volt cells to 1.35 volts, over the life of the cell?  It
would have to be fairly small, about 1/2 the size of a 1/4 watt
resistor, or less.

TIA

Dan

I think a Low Drop Out (LDO) regulator is the best approach because
the voltage drop would not be dependent on the load current or
voltage. This version from national seems to be worthy of
consideration but it needs 1.8V minimum, so a higher voltage battery
would need to be used.
http://www.national.com/pf/LP/LP5951.html#Overview
You would have to do some searching to find a higher voltage 'button
battery' with the same form factor as the original. (left as an
exercise to the reader, as they say...). Linear technology also has a
wide range of LDO R's that should be looked at as well.
I looked at some pictures of these watches on Wikipedia and other
sources. The compartment where the transistor, resistor and capacitor
is located seems large enough to handle a ckt board with a SMT LDOR,
SMT cap, and SMT resistor(s). The SOT23 package for the LDORs is about
1.3times the size of the TO92 case of the transistor. The additional
space needed by the SOT23 pkg would be offset by the small packaging
of the resistors and capacitors. I could not tell from the pic, but
the depth of the cavity where the ckt board would sit might accomodate
components on both sides of the board.

If you want to persue this further, there are some board fab houses
that advertize something like 5 boards for $50 (up to a certain size
which you would be under), delivered in 5 days. They even supply the
layout software and all you do is send them the file. (e.g. PCB
express, Trend Circuits, there are others).

Good luck
John
 

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