Max voltage safe for all electronic devices?

[ian field]

"sparky" <sparky12x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 6, 7:54 pm, "BobW" <nimby_NEEDS...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
"Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite.com> wrote in
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Hi:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of the
following
to any extent?:

1. Exceeding the dielectric strength of any electronic component

2. Generating temperatures above 70 Fahrenheit in any electronic
component

3. Ionizing any electronic component

Thanks,

Radium

42.

Bob

I think you are wrong. I was told it was 47.5

You're both wrong - its ninetytwelve.

 

[Green Xenon [Radium]]

Rich Grise wrote:

wrote:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of the
following to any extent?:

1. Exceeding the dielectric strength of any electronic component

2. Generating temperatures above 70 Fahrenheit in any electronic
component

3. Ionizing any electronic component



About 0.56V.

Thanks.

What do you do if the ambient is >70F?

Thats okay. I just don't want anything inside to get damaged

 

[Rich Grise]

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:40:25 -0800, Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of the
following to any extent?:

1. Exceeding the dielectric strength of any electronic component

2. Generating temperatures above 70 Fahrenheit in any electronic
component

3. Ionizing any electronic component

About 0.56V.

What do you do if the ambient is >70F?

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Nobody]

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:20:12 -0800, Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:

How can a millivolt generate temperatures above 70 F in a milliohm? Both
the voltage and the resistance are too small to generate such high
temperatures. Right?

He didn't say "a millivolt", he said "millivolts". E.g. 100mV into 1mOhm =
100A * 100mV = 10W.

A much smaller power dissipation can still produce high temperatures if
the thermal resistance is high enough.

 

[Paul E. Schoen]

"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message
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How can a millivolt generate temperatures above 70 F in a milliohm? Both
the voltage and the resistance are too small to generate such high
temperatures. Right?

One millivolt across one milliohm is still one amp. What about several
millivolts?

Current is still V/R, so 23 (another magic number) millivolts across a one
inch length of #20 wire (about 1 mOhm) will produce 23 amps. And power is
V*I, so you have about half a watt. Doesn't sound like much, but it's
enough to melt the wire, especially if it is enclosed in thermal
insulation. If you operate a 1/2 watt lamp in a well insulated box, the air
inside will get well above 70F. Temperature depends on heat conduction and
radiation. So, imagine how hot a tiny IC bonding wire could get with just
23 mV applied to it. Pow! Er! A "semiconductor" fuse...

Paul

 

[ehsjr]

sparky wrote:

On Nov 6, 7:54 pm, "BobW" <nimby_NEEDS...@roadrunner.com> wrote:

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Hi:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of the following
to any extent?:

1. Exceeding the dielectric strength of any electronic component

2. Generating temperatures above 70 Fahrenheit in any electronic component

3. Ionizing any electronic component

Thanks,

Radium

42.

Bob


I think you are wrong. I was told it was 47.5

That's only for small values of 47.5

 

[Tom2000]

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:30:55 -0600, phaeton <blahbleh666@hotmail.com>
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Hi:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of
the following
to any extent?:
Radium
42.

i think 42 just might be the ultimate answer...
but don't make a typo because it definately is not 32 , that
is a
bad #, because that destroys lots of stuff

But 42 is THE answer to all questions about the Universe.

apologies, had it backwards,
not ultimate answer but *the* answer to *the ultimate
question...*
robb



While 42 is fine and well for most situations, I've always had a
mysterious draw to 666. It has never let me down.

-phaeton

Naw. Plug your circuit into that and all you'll get are fire and
brimstone.

 

[Green Xenon [Radium]]

John Larkin wrote:

"
glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:


John Larkin wrote:


On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:40:25 -0800, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:



Hi:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of the
following to any extent?:

1. Exceeding the dielectric strength of any electronic component




2 volts maybe; tiny schottky diodes.


2 volts? Many CPUs cannot tolerate voltages above 1 volt without damage!


You said "dielectric strength."

Isn't the damage to the CPU caused by a mixture of excessively high
temperatures and dielectric breakdown?

Also, dielectric breakdown [even without significant heat] damages flash
RAM chips [which is why they don't last too long]. The electrons pierce
the insulations within the chip.

2. Generating temperatures above 70 Fahrenheit in any electronic component




Millivolts can heat up milliohms.

Beyond 70 Fahrenheit?




Sure.

How can a millivolt generate temperatures above 70 F in a milliohm? Both
the voltage and the resistance are too small to generate such high
temperatures. Right?

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:26:01 -0800, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
<glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:40:25 -0800, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:



Hi:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of the
following to any extent?:

1. Exceeding the dielectric strength of any electronic component




2 volts maybe; tiny schottky diodes.


2 volts? Many CPUs cannot tolerate voltages above 1 volt without damage!

You said "dielectric strength."

2. Generating temperatures above 70 Fahrenheit in any electronic component




Millivolts can heat up milliohms.

Beyond 70 Fahrenheit?

Sure.

John

 

[Green Xenon [Radium]]

John Larkin wrote:

"
glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

Hi:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of the
following to any extent?:

1. Exceeding the dielectric strength of any electronic component

2 volts maybe; tiny schottky diodes.

2 volts? Many CPUs cannot tolerate voltages above 1 volt without damage!

2. Generating temperatures above 70 Fahrenheit in any electronic component

Millivolts can heat up milliohms.

Beyond 70 Fahrenheit?

 

[phaeton]

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Hi:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of
the following
to any extent?:
Radium
42.

i think 42 just might be the ultimate answer...
but don't make a typo because it definately is not 32 , that
is a
bad #, because that destroys lots of stuff

But 42 is THE answer to all questions about the Universe.

apologies, had it backwards,
not ultimate answer but *the* answer to *the ultimate
question...*
robb



While 42 is fine and well for most situations, I've always had a

mysterious draw to 666. It has never let me down.

-phaeton

 

[robb]

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"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in
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Hi:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of
the following
to any extent?:
Radium

42.


i think 42 just might be the ultimate answer...
but don't make a typo because it definately is not 32 , that
is a
bad #, because that destroys lots of stuff


But 42 is THE answer to all questions about the Universe.

apologies, had it backwards,

not ultimate answer but *the* answer to *the ultimate
question...*
robb

 

[Sjouke Burry]

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Hi:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of
the following
to any extent?:

1. Exceeding the dielectric strength of any electronic
component
2. Generating temperatures above 70 Fahrenheit in any
electronic component
3. Ionizing any electronic component


Thanks,

Radium
42.

i think 42 just might be the ultimate answer...
but don't make a typo because it definately is not 32 , that is a
bad #, because that destroys lots of stuff

robb



But 42 is THE answer to all questions about the Universe.

At least it is the answer to all Radium ranti...pardon.. questions.

 

[Don Bowey]

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"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message
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Hi:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of
the following
to any extent?:

1. Exceeding the dielectric strength of any electronic
component

2. Generating temperatures above 70 Fahrenheit in any
electronic component

3. Ionizing any electronic component


Thanks,

Radium

42.


i think 42 just might be the ultimate answer...
but don't make a typo because it definately is not 32 , that is a
bad #, because that destroys lots of stuff

robb

But 42 is THE answer to all questions about the Universe.

 

[Jon Slaughter]

"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message
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Hi:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of the following
to any extent?:

1. Exceeding the dielectric strength of any electronic component

2. Generating temperatures above 70 Fahrenheit in any electronic component

3. Ionizing any electronic component


Thanks,

Radium

THis is quite easy. its 0.

 

[robb]

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"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message
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Hi:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of
the following
to any extent?:

1. Exceeding the dielectric strength of any electronic
component

2. Generating temperatures above 70 Fahrenheit in any
electronic component

3. Ionizing any electronic component


Thanks,

Radium

42.

i think 42 just might be the ultimate answer...
but don't make a typo because it definately is not 32 , that is a
bad #, because that destroys lots of stuff

robb

 

[sparky]

On Nov 6, 7:54 pm, "BobW" <nimby_NEEDS...@roadrunner.com> wrote:

" <gluceg...@excite.com> wrote in messagenews:47310839$0$20630$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

Hi:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of the following
to any extent?:

1. Exceeding the dielectric strength of any electronic component

2. Generating temperatures above 70 Fahrenheit in any electronic component

3. Ionizing any electronic component

Thanks,

Radium

42.

Bob

I think you are wrong. I was told it was 47.5

 

[John Fields]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:54:00 -0800, "BobW"
<nimby_NEEDSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote:

"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message
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Hi:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of the following
to any extent?:

1. Exceeding the dielectric strength of any electronic component

2. Generating temperatures above 70 Fahrenheit in any electronic component

3. Ionizing any electronic component


Thanks,

Radium

42.

---
Yup.

I thought, initially, that it was 11, but after reading your reply
and doing the necessary legwork I found that I was wrong and you
were right.

Thanks for your insight.



--
JF

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:40:25 -0800, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
<glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

Hi:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of the
following to any extent?:

1. Exceeding the dielectric strength of any electronic component

2 volts maybe; tiny schottky diodes.

2. Generating temperatures above 70 Fahrenheit in any electronic component

Millivolts can heat up milliohms.

3. Ionizing any electronic component

Ionizing a component? Do you mean vaporizing it?

John

 

[BobW]

"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message
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Hi:

What is the maximum voltage possible *without* doing any of the following
to any extent?:

1. Exceeding the dielectric strength of any electronic component

2. Generating temperatures above 70 Fahrenheit in any electronic component

3. Ionizing any electronic component


Thanks,

Radium

42.

Bob