[LTSpice] Why is 1n4148 so slow?

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Chris Carlen

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Greetings:

A 1n4148 should have a Trr of about 4ns, but the sim gives about 15ns!

Why is that?



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Thanks for input.


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Sandia National Laboratories CA USA
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On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 07:59:42 -0700, Chris Carlen
<crcarleRemoveThis@BOGUSsandia.gov> wrote:

Greetings:

A 1n4148 should have a Trr of about 4ns, but the sim gives about 15ns!

Why is that?

[snip]

Thanks for input.
Click to expand...
Are you simulating it in a way that matches the test method on the
data sheet?

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"Chris Carlen" <crcarleRemoveThis@BOGUSsandia.gov> wrote in message
news:dco1ou128fj@news1.newsguy.com...
Greetings:

A 1n4148 should have a Trr of about 4ns, but the sim gives about 15ns!

Why is that?
Thanks for input.


--
Christopher R. Carlen
Click to expand...
Indeedy, what Jim says. Change your resistor to 100R and make your pulse 1.6
and -6V.

DNA
 
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:30:51 GMT, "Genome" <ilike_spam@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

"Chris Carlen" <crcarleRemoveThis@BOGUSsandia.gov> wrote in message
news:dco1ou128fj@news1.newsguy.com...
Greetings:

A 1n4148 should have a Trr of about 4ns, but the sim gives about 15ns!

Why is that?
Thanks for input.


--
Christopher R. Carlen

Indeedy, what Jim says. Change your resistor to 100R and make your pulse 1.6
and -6V.

Note that dI/dT in the JEDEC test set-up is determined by the
Click to expand...
generator's fall time - "<1nS" effectively producing 76A/uSec in this
case.

This is roughly the same effect as a perfectly fast source operating
in series with 100nH - a fairly high 'stray' inductance value, but one
not totally impossible to introduce accidentally in a sloppy physical
test set-up.

dI/dT affects the peak reverse current, rate of total charge removal
and trr, with no other test characteristics being altered.

RL
 
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 07:59:42 -0700, Chris Carlen
crcarleRemoveThis@BOGUSsandia.gov> wrote:

Greetings:

A 1n4148 should have a Trr of about 4ns, but the sim gives about 15ns!

Why is that?

[snip]
Thanks for input.

Are you simulating it in a way that matches the test method on the
data sheet?

...Jim Thompson
Click to expand...


Good point, lemme see...



Oh, I get it.



Thanks for the input.



Good day!



--
_______________________________________________________________________
Christopher R. Carlen
Principal Laser/Optical Technologist
Sandia National Laboratories CA USA
crcarleRemoveThis@BOGUSsandia.gov
NOTE, delete texts: "RemoveThis" and "BOGUS" from email address to reply.
 
legg wrote:
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:30:51 GMT, "Genome" <ilike_spam@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:

"Chris Carlen" <crcarleRemoveThis@BOGUSsandia.gov> wrote in message
news:dco1ou128fj@news1.newsguy.com...
Greetings:

A 1n4148 should have a Trr of about 4ns, but the sim gives about 15ns!

Why is that?
Thanks for input.


--
Christopher R. Carlen
Indeedy, what Jim says. Change your resistor to 100R and make your pulse 1.6
and -6V.

Note that dI/dT in the JEDEC test set-up is determined by the
generator's fall time - "<1nS" effectively producing 76A/uSec in this
case.

This is roughly the same effect as a perfectly fast source operating
in series with 100nH - a fairly high 'stray' inductance value, but one
not totally impossible to introduce accidentally in a sloppy physical
test set-up.

dI/dT affects the peak reverse current, rate of total charge removal
and trr, with no other test characteristics being altered.
Click to expand...
You mean of course that it can reduce the peak Irr, by blurring it out
over a ringy-thingy, right?

I tried simulating as you are saying, by making my generator *really*
fast with 10ps rise/fall, and introducing 100nH.

That gives just about the same peak Irr and Trr for the first half cycle
of the ring.

Actually, it looks like a stray inductance I wouldn't feel too shabby about!

Well, that's if I did it on a breadboard like I do most things in a
curious hurry.

But if done on a PCB, it could be much better.


Thanks for the input.

Good day!




--
_______________________________________________________________________
Christopher R. Carlen
Principal Laser/Optical Technologist
Sandia National Laboratories CA USA
crcarleRemoveThis@BOGUSsandia.gov
NOTE, delete texts: "RemoveThis" and "BOGUS" from email address to reply.
 
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