LSW window

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Hristo Brachkov

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Hello

It's not of any critical importance, I'm just curious - have you noticed
that after you open a layout and LSW window opens it is not possible to
close it unless you exit Cadence. Does anybody know why it is done so?

BR,
Hristo
 
Hristo Brachkov wrote:
Hello

It's not of any critical importance, I'm just curious - have you noticed
that after you open a layout and LSW window opens it is not possible to
close it unless you exit Cadence. Does anybody know why it is done so?

BR,
Hristo


You can close it without quiting, however this is not recommaded (by
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cadence) . If it bothers you just iconify it.
 
It just is...

Now, something may be done about this in the future, but for now
you can workaround this by assigning yourself bindkeys for leUnmapLSW() and
leRemapLSW() - this removes and re-adds the LSW back again...

Andrew.

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:01:52 +0200, "Hristo Brachkov" <hristob@csPOIS.tut.fi> wrote:

Hello

It's not of any critical importance, I'm just curious - have you noticed
that after you open a layout and LSW window opens it is not possible to
close it unless you exit Cadence. Does anybody know why it is done so?

BR,
Hristo
Click to expand...
--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Technical Leader
Custom IC Solutions
Cadence Design Systems Ltd
 
You could make the LSW appear and disspear by the following commands,
Remove - leUnmapLSW()
Appear - leRemapLSW()

I have the following function, to use a bindky as a toggle for the LSW,
hiSetBindKey("Layout" "<KEY>F1" "MapLSW()")

(defun MapLSW ()
(let ()

if( leRemapLSW()
leUnmapLSW()
leRemapLSW()
)
)
)
Partha


B <bekeur@fnal.gov> wrote in message news:<booc8b$c12$1@info4.fnal.gov>...
Hristo Brachkov wrote:
Hello

It's not of any critical importance, I'm just curious - have you noticed
that after you open a layout and LSW window opens it is not possible to
close it unless you exit Cadence. Does anybody know why it is done so?

BR,
Hristo


You can close it without quiting, however this is not recommaded (by
cadence) . If it bothers you just iconify it.
Click to expand...
 
Partha,

BTW, there is no point having the (let () in your code - since there are no local
variables. It is (very, very slightly) less efficient to use this additional function if you
don't need it - and it makes the code longer and less readible.

(defun) and (procedure) can take multiple function calls in the body; the
return value is the last thing executed.

Andrew.

On 10 Nov 2003 09:52:58 -0800, cadeguy@yahoo.com (Partha) wrote:

You could make the LSW appear and disspear by the following commands,
Remove - leUnmapLSW()
Appear - leRemapLSW()

I have the following function, to use a bindky as a toggle for the LSW,
hiSetBindKey("Layout" "<KEY>F1" "MapLSW()")

(defun MapLSW ()
(let ()

if( leRemapLSW()
leUnmapLSW()
leRemapLSW()
)
)
)
Partha


B <bekeur@fnal.gov> wrote in message news:<booc8b$c12$1@info4.fnal.gov>...
Hristo Brachkov wrote:
Hello

It's not of any critical importance, I'm just curious - have you noticed
that after you open a layout and LSW window opens it is not possible to
close it unless you exit Cadence. Does anybody know why it is done so?

BR,
Hristo


You can close it without quiting, however this is not recommaded (by
cadence) . If it bothers you just iconify it.
Click to expand...
--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Technical Leader
Custom IC Solutions
Cadence Design Systems Ltd
 
Andrew,
Thank you for your observations, i will keep that in mind.

Partha


Andrew Beckett <andrewb@DELETETHISBITcadence.com> wrote in message news:<o9evqv0dqn9ilmpmpd25s4s1al41i0j5ip@4ax.com>...
It just is...

Now, something may be done about this in the future, but for now
you can workaround this by assigning yourself bindkeys for leUnmapLSW() and
leRemapLSW() - this removes and re-adds the LSW back again...

Andrew.

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:01:52 +0200, "Hristo Brachkov" <hristob@csPOIS.tut.fi> wrote:

Hello

It's not of any critical importance, I'm just curious - have you noticed
that after you open a layout and LSW window opens it is not possible to
close it unless you exit Cadence. Does anybody know why it is done so?

BR,
Hristo
Click to expand...
 
Andrew,
So, why does the LSW not get removed when the layout is closed, is that a bug?
Can you throw some light on why this is happening?
If its a bug is it fixed in IC 5041?


Thankyou
Partha

Andrew Beckett <andrewb@DELETETHISBITcadence.com> wrote in message news:<o9evqv0dqn9ilmpmpd25s4s1al41i0j5ip@4ax.com>...
It just is...

Now, something may be done about this in the future, but for now
you can workaround this by assigning yourself bindkeys for leUnmapLSW() and
leRemapLSW() - this removes and re-adds the LSW back again...

Andrew.

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:01:52 +0200, "Hristo Brachkov" <hristob@csPOIS.tut.fi> wrote:

Hello

It's not of any critical importance, I'm just curious - have you noticed
that after you open a layout and LSW window opens it is not possible to
close it unless you exit Cadence. Does anybody know why it is done so?

BR,
Hristo
Click to expand...
 
Thanks for the reply. It's fun being able to close LSW window, but my
question was why it is done so it not possible to close it.


Hristo


"Andrew Beckett" <andrewb@DELETETHISBITcadence.com> wrote in message
news:eek:9evqv0dqn9ilmpmpd25s4s1al41i0j5ip@4ax.com...
It just is...

Now, something may be done about this in the future, but for now
you can workaround this by assigning yourself bindkeys for leUnmapLSW()
and
leRemapLSW() - this removes and re-adds the LSW back again...

Andrew.

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:01:52 +0200, "Hristo Brachkov"
hristob@csPOIS.tut.fi> wrote:

Hello

It's not of any critical importance, I'm just curious - have you noticed
that after you open a layout and LSW window opens it is not possible to
close it unless you exit Cadence. Does anybody know why it is done so?

BR,
Hristo


--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Technical Leader
Custom IC Solutions
Cadence Design Systems Ltd
Click to expand...
 
I got some idea, from this conversation.

Integerating LSW window in to layout window !!

(Not much innovative, as this LSW kind of things already present in
other vendors)

It will be more useful when user tries to set different visible
settings for different windows.

I guess it would be very tough in implementation point of view.
However moving towards that direction will be good for long term !!

cadeguy@yahoo.com (Partha) wrote in message news:<7f58031f.0311102104.117b9fe2@posting.google.com>...
Andrew,
So, why does the LSW not get removed when the layout is closed, is that a bug?
Can you throw some light on why this is happening?
If its a bug is it fixed in IC 5041?


Thankyou
Partha

Andrew Beckett <andrewb@DELETETHISBITcadence.com> wrote in message news:<o9evqv0dqn9ilmpmpd25s4s1al41i0j5ip@4ax.com>...
It just is...

Now, something may be done about this in the future, but for now
you can workaround this by assigning yourself bindkeys for leUnmapLSW() and
leRemapLSW() - this removes and re-adds the LSW back again...

Andrew.

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:01:52 +0200, "Hristo Brachkov" <hristob@csPOIS.tut.fi> wrote:

Hello

It's not of any critical importance, I'm just curious - have you noticed
that after you open a layout and LSW window opens it is not possible to
close it unless you exit Cadence. Does anybody know why it is done so?

BR,
Hristo
Click to expand...
 
From my point of view the separation of the LSW and the layout
window is good and gives more flexibility.

I would love having the ability to display multiple
columns in LSW. In the modern processes there are lots
of layers (hundreds), and scrolling each time in the LSW
is painful.
Also moving the layer icons with mouse to custom their order
would be a great option.

I'm doing the layer ordering with different .drf files, but
it is not enough flexible.

==================
Kholdoun TORKI
http://cmp.imag.fr
==================

Rajeswaran M wrote:
I got some idea, from this conversation.

Integerating LSW window in to layout window !!

(Not much innovative, as this LSW kind of things already present in
other vendors)

It will be more useful when user tries to set different visible
settings for different windows.

I guess it would be very tough in implementation point of view.
However moving towards that direction will be good for long term !!

cadeguy@yahoo.com (Partha) wrote in message news:<7f58031f.0311102104.117b9fe2@posting.google.com>...

Andrew,
So, why does the LSW not get removed when the layout is closed, is that a bug?
Can you throw some light on why this is happening?
If its a bug is it fixed in IC 5041?


Thankyou
Partha

Andrew Beckett <andrewb@DELETETHISBITcadence.com> wrote in message news:<o9evqv0dqn9ilmpmpd25s4s1al41i0j5ip@4ax.com>...

It just is...

Now, something may be done about this in the future, but for now
you can workaround this by assigning yourself bindkeys for leUnmapLSW() and
leRemapLSW() - this removes and re-adds the LSW back again...

Andrew.

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:01:52 +0200, "Hristo Brachkov" <hristob@csPOIS.tut.fi> wrote:


Hello

It's not of any critical importance, I'm just curious - have you noticed
that after you open a layout and LSW window opens it is not possible to
close it unless you exit Cadence. Does anybody know why it is done so?

BR,
Hristo
Click to expand...
 
The PCR for the LSW improvement is PCR# 342980. Please open a case on
sourcelink and mention the PCR so that we can get Cadence to change
the status from inactive to active and get this fixed.
---
Erik

"Hristo Brachkov" <hristob@csPOIS.tut.fi> wrote in message news:<boqick$m4g$1@news.cc.tut.fi>...
Thanks for the reply. It's fun being able to close LSW window, but my
question was why it is done so it not possible to close it.


Hristo


"Andrew Beckett" <andrewb@DELETETHISBITcadence.com> wrote in message
news:eek:9evqv0dqn9ilmpmpd25s4s1al41i0j5ip@4ax.com...
It just is...

Now, something may be done about this in the future, but for now
you can workaround this by assigning yourself bindkeys for leUnmapLSW()
and
leRemapLSW() - this removes and re-adds the LSW back again...

Andrew.

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:01:52 +0200, "Hristo Brachkov"
hristob@csPOIS.tut.fi> wrote:

Hello

It's not of any critical importance, I'm just curious - have you noticed
that after you open a layout and LSW window opens it is not possible to
close it unless you exit Cadence. Does anybody know why it is done so?

BR,
Hristo


--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Technical Leader
Custom IC Solutions
Cadence Design Systems Ltd
Click to expand...
 
As part of some major work on the UI that is being done right now, one
of the things being considered is making the LSW dockable. i.e you can
have it separate, or have it docked. Think photoshop...

I don't want to go into more details right now as it's a bit early to be talking
details.

Andrew.

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:35:25 +0100, Kholdoun TORKI <Kholdoun.Torki@imag.fr> wrote:

From my point of view the separation of the LSW and the layout
window is good and gives more flexibility.

I would love having the ability to display multiple
columns in LSW. In the modern processes there are lots
of layers (hundreds), and scrolling each time in the LSW
is painful.
Also moving the layer icons with mouse to custom their order
would be a great option.

I'm doing the layer ordering with different .drf files, but
it is not enough flexible.

==================
Kholdoun TORKI
http://cmp.imag.fr
==================

Rajeswaran M wrote:
I got some idea, from this conversation.

Integerating LSW window in to layout window !!

(Not much innovative, as this LSW kind of things already present in
other vendors)

It will be more useful when user tries to set different visible
settings for different windows.

I guess it would be very tough in implementation point of view.
However moving towards that direction will be good for long term !!

cadeguy@yahoo.com (Partha) wrote in message news:<7f58031f.0311102104.117b9fe2@posting.google.com>...

Andrew,
So, why does the LSW not get removed when the layout is closed, is that a bug?
Can you throw some light on why this is happening?
If its a bug is it fixed in IC 5041?


Thankyou
Partha

Andrew Beckett <andrewb@DELETETHISBITcadence.com> wrote in message news:<o9evqv0dqn9ilmpmpd25s4s1al41i0j5ip@4ax.com>...

It just is...

Now, something may be done about this in the future, but for now
you can workaround this by assigning yourself bindkeys for leUnmapLSW() and
leRemapLSW() - this removes and re-adds the LSW back again...

Andrew.

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:01:52 +0200, "Hristo Brachkov" <hristob@csPOIS.tut.fi> wrote:


Hello

It's not of any critical importance, I'm just curious - have you noticed
that after you open a layout and LSW window opens it is not possible to
close it unless you exit Cadence. Does anybody know why it is done so?

BR,
Hristo
Click to expand...
--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Technical Leader
Custom IC Solutions
Cadence Design Systems Ltd
 
It's not a bug - it's always been this way. It's a feature ;->
I don't believe this will be changing in IC5041 (maybe after that...)

Andrew.

On 10 Nov 2003 21:04:11 -0800, cadeguy@yahoo.com (Partha) wrote:

Andrew,
So, why does the LSW not get removed when the layout is closed, is that a bug?
Can you throw some light on why this is happening?
If its a bug is it fixed in IC 5041?


Thankyou
Partha

Andrew Beckett <andrewb@DELETETHISBITcadence.com> wrote in message news:<o9evqv0dqn9ilmpmpd25s4s1al41i0j5ip@4ax.com>...
It just is...

Now, something may be done about this in the future, but for now
you can workaround this by assigning yourself bindkeys for leUnmapLSW() and
leRemapLSW() - this removes and re-adds the LSW back again...

Andrew.

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:01:52 +0200, "Hristo Brachkov" <hristob@csPOIS.tut.fi> wrote:

Hello

It's not of any critical importance, I'm just curious - have you noticed
that after you open a layout and LSW window opens it is not possible to
close it unless you exit Cadence. Does anybody know why it is done so?

BR,
Hristo
Click to expand...
--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Technical Leader
Custom IC Solutions
Cadence Design Systems Ltd
 
FYI,

That defun MapLSW example seemed to only open the LSW.
I could not find a function to test whether the LSW was
mapped or not. I tried the BBox, but it always returns
the box whether mapped or not, so if you know of a window
handle or replacement test function for the BBox test here,
then this looks more appropriate:

(defun MapLSW ()
if( leGetLSWBBox()
leUnmapLSW()
else
leRemapLSW()
)
)

But, in Mapping and Unmapping the LSW, it comes back up
in random places. So I would think just iconifying it
to be more appropriate:

(defun MapLSW ()
if( leIsLSWIconified() then
leDeiconifyLSW()
leRaiseLSW()
else
leIconifyLSW()
)
)

----
Ron C.
 
Ron,

If I remember rightly, leIsLSWIconified() will return t if the LSW is
unmapped or iconified - so it ought to work if you just replace
the leIconifyLSW() in your second example with leUnmapLSW()
(and doing the leDeiconifyLSW() should take care of the re-mapping
too...).

I'm on a dialup connection right now so can't easily check this, but
from memory I think this is right. Not sure why it comes up in random
locations - I'm guessing that this might be window manager specific, but
it does sound a little strange - I'd not have expected that.

Regards,

Andrew.

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:05:58 -0800, Ron C <Ron.Christopherson@Sun.COM> wrote:

FYI,

That defun MapLSW example seemed to only open the LSW.
I could not find a function to test whether the LSW was
mapped or not. I tried the BBox, but it always returns
the box whether mapped or not, so if you know of a window
handle or replacement test function for the BBox test here,
then this looks more appropriate:

(defun MapLSW ()
if( leGetLSWBBox()
leUnmapLSW()
else
leRemapLSW()
)
)

But, in Mapping and Unmapping the LSW, it comes back up
in random places. So I would think just iconifying it
to be more appropriate:

(defun MapLSW ()
if( leIsLSWIconified() then
leDeiconifyLSW()
leRaiseLSW()
else
leIconifyLSW()
)
)

----
Ron C.
Click to expand...
--
Andrew Beckett
Senior Technical Leader
Custom IC Solutions
Cadence Design Systems Ltd
 
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