looking for a switching regulator circuit

Kenny · May 29, 2004

Hello, I am looking for a schematic that will enable me to a 12 volt car
battery to get 600volts. I know I wont get much amps but I don't care. Some
people told me not to use capacitors in series with diodes cause I will have
close to zero current.
So anybody know a way to do it with LM amplifiers or anything else beside
capacitors ??

thanks a lot
K

Jan Panteltje · May 29, 2004

On a sunny day (Sat, 29 May 2004 20:01:59 -0400) it happened "Kenny"
<lerameur@yah00.c0m> wrote in <Wv9uc.5700$9q1.6399@news20.bellglobal.com>:

Hello, I am looking for a schematic that will enable me to a 12 volt car
battery to get 600volts. I know I wont get much amps but I don't care. Some
people told me not to use capacitors in series with diodes cause I will have
close to zero current.
So anybody know a way to do it with LM amplifiers or anything else beside
capacitors ??

thanks a lot
K
A simple 1 transistor circuit with a potcore and a few passive components and

YES also capacitors will do it.
JP

Roger Gt · May 30, 2004

X-No-Archive: yes
"Kenny" wrote
: Hello, I am looking for a schematic that will enable me to a 12
volt car
: battery to get 600volts. I know I wont get much amps but I don't
care. Some
: people told me not to use capacitors in series with diodes cause
I will have
: close to zero current.
: So anybody know a way to do it with LM amplifiers or anything
else beside
: capacitors ??
:
: thanks a lot K

First:
Yes it can be done! It's a "Boost" converter. I checked and it's
possible to get 600VDC out at .02 Amperes with an input of about 1
Amp of 12 volts. The cost is a little high due to the required
voltages for the components.

Next:
What load do you need to serve? Milliamperes ________
Is it reactive? Inductive or capacitive?
what ripple can you live with? Voltages or a percentage?

May 30, 2004

"Kenny" <lerameur@yah00.c0m> wrote:

Hello, I am looking for a schematic that will enable me to a 12 volt car
battery to get 600volts. I know I wont get much amps but I don't care. Some
people told me not to use capacitors in series with diodes cause I will have
close to zero current.

Well, you either care about how much current you get or you don't...

600 volts AC or DC? How much current? How about an inverter to make
120VAC @ 60Hz and a step-up transformer?

--
William Smith
ComputerSmiths Consulting, Inc. www.compusmiths.com

Kenny · May 30, 2004

"Kenny" wrote
: Hello, I am looking for a schematic that will enable me to a 12
volt car
: battery to get 600volts. I know I wont get much amps but I don't
care. Some
: people told me not to use capacitors in series with diodes cause
I will have
: close to zero current.
: So anybody know a way to do it with LM amplifiers or anything
else beside
: capacitors ??
:
: thanks a lot K

First:
Yes it can be done! It's a "Boost" converter. I checked and it's
possible to get 600VDC out at .02 Amperes with an input of about 1
Amp of 12 volts. The cost is a little high due to the required
voltages for the components.

Next:
What load do you need to serve? Milliamperes ________
Is it reactive? Inductive or capacitive?
what ripple can you live with? Voltages or a percentage?

Well I need this for an expirment.I want to create a spark gap. I will be
using a car battery so I will get more current out of the circuit. So it
will be 600v DC of output. I do not need anyspecific voltage, just the
maximum I can get so I am trying to find a circuit that will do that .

K

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su · May 30, 2004

"Kenny" <lerameur@yah00.c0m> wrote in message
news:Wv9uc.5700$9q1.6399@news20.bellglobal.com...

Hello, I am looking for a schematic that will enable me to a 12 volt
car
battery to get 600volts. I know I wont get much amps but I don't care.
Some
people told me not to use capacitors in series with diodes cause I
will have
close to zero current.
So anybody know a way to do it with LM amplifiers or anything else
beside
capacitors ??

thanks a lot
K

Here's on simple circuit that might give you some ideas.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/page4.htm#triple.gi
f

May 30, 2004

"Kenny" <lerameur@yah00.c0m> wrote:

Well I need this for an expirment.I want to create a spark gap.

Oh, so you don't need 600VDC, you need a spark. There are a lot of
simple flyback circuits out there to make essentially any voltage.
Maybe something from an old CRT or an automotive coil, or just an
audio transformer....

--
William Smith
ComputerSmiths Consulting, Inc. www.compusmiths.com

Roger Gt · May 30, 2004

X-No-Archive: yes
"Kenny" wrote
: > "Kenny" wrote
<snip>
:
: Well I need this for an experiment.I want to create a spark gap.
I will be
: using a car battery so I will get more current out of the
circuit. So it
: will be 600v DC of output. I do not need anyspecific voltage,
just the
: maximum I can get so I am trying to find a circuit that will do
that .
: K

You will need kilovolts for a spark, use an ignition coil!
For DC you will need a string of high voltage diodes and a Cap
(small).

Kenny · May 30, 2004

You will need kilovolts for a spark, use an ignition coil!
For DC you will need a string of high voltage diodes and a Cap
(small).
Kilovolts ? really, that much , I have an old 26inch TV that I was keeping

, do you that could would work ?

Rich Grise · May 30, 2004

"Kenny" <lerameur@yah00.c0m> wrote in message
news:mNouc.17$PE6.506@news20.bellglobal.com...

You will need kilovolts for a spark, use an ignition coil!
For DC you will need a string of high voltage diodes and a Cap
(small).
Kilovolts ? really, that much , I have an old 26inch TV that I was
keeping
, do you that could would work ?

It will make high voltage, but I, and I'm guessing others, _strongly_

recommend that you read everything you can about high voltage, spark
gaps, and even ordinary electricity if you need to. If you don't
really know what you're doing, you could actually kill yourself. That's
as in dead. And I can tell from the tone of your posts that you could
maybe slap something together, but without a better understanding of
what's going on, you run the real risk of killing yourself. Or worse
yet, someone else.

Please don't earn a Darwin award.

Good Luck!
Rich

May 30, 2004

"Kenny" <lerameur@yah00.c0m> wrote:

Kilovolts ? really, that much

There are circumstances where a 200V supply will make a spark, and
circumstances where 200KV will _not_ make a spark. What kind of spark
did you have in mind?

--
William Smith
ComputerSmiths Consulting, Inc. www.compusmiths.com

Kenny · May 30, 2004

There are circumstances where a 200V supply will make a spark, and
circumstances where 200KV will _not_ make a spark. What kind of spark
did you have in mind?
My background in electronic is: one year in electric engineering, so not

that much .
I have fideling aroud with small circuits so far for the past 3 years. but
nothing major.

Actually I was reading on Tesla spark gap wich appears in itself to be
dangerous if you do not take precausion. Then my next step would be using
this circuit to hydrolyse water ( double dangerous I know). So this is the
idea behind me asking those questions so far. any thoughts ? anobody ?

K

Rich Grise · May 30, 2004

"Kenny" <lerameur@yah00.c0m> wrote in message news:Mmuuc.20

There are circumstances where a 200V supply will make a spark, and
circumstances where 200KV will _not_ make a spark. What kind of spark
did you have in mind?
My background in electronic is: one year in electric engineering, so not
that much .
I have fideling aroud with small circuits so far for the past 3 years.
but
nothing major.

Actually I was reading on Tesla spark gap wich appears in itself to be
dangerous if you do not take precausion. Then my next step would be using
this circuit to hydrolyse water ( double dangerous I know). So this is
the
idea behind me asking those questions so far. any thoughts ? anobody ?

Well, to electrolyze water (I presume that's what you meant) you need low

voltages at relatively higher currents. Well, I don't really know the ratio,
but I've seen it done in a chem lab with either a 1.5V or 6V dry cell.

If you want a Tesla coil, why the intermediate few hunderd volts? Just drive
it with a car coil.

Good Luck!
Rich

Spehro Pefhany · May 31, 2004

On Mon, 31 May 2004 00:43:17 GMT, the renowned "Rich Grise"
<null@example.net> wrote:

"Kenny" <lerameur@yah00.c0m> wrote in message news:Mmuuc.20

There are circumstances where a 200V supply will make a spark, and
circumstances where 200KV will _not_ make a spark. What kind of spark
did you have in mind?
My background in electronic is: one year in electric engineering, so not
that much .
I have fideling aroud with small circuits so far for the past 3 years.
but
nothing major.

Actually I was reading on Tesla spark gap wich appears in itself to be
dangerous if you do not take precausion. Then my next step would be using
this circuit to hydrolyse water ( double dangerous I know). So this is
the
idea behind me asking those questions so far. any thoughts ? anobody ?

Well, to electrolyze water (I presume that's what you meant) you need low
voltages at relatively higher currents. Well, I don't really know the ratio,
but I've seen it done in a chem lab with either a 1.5V or 6V dry cell.

You need to add electrolyte (which is not consumed). I've got a device
that uses a few volts at a several hundred A to create enough gas for
welding tiny sensors. Of course pure water has resistivity in the
megohms. Don't screw around with this stuff unless you know how to
prevent flashback, explosions that could blow corrosive liquids into
your face causing deep burns etc. etc.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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petrus bitbyter · May 31, 2004

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"Kenny" <lerameur@yah00.c0m> wrote:
Well I need this for an expirment.I want to create a spark gap.

Oh, so you don't need 600VDC, you need a spark. There are a lot of
simple flyback circuits out there to make essentially any voltage.
Maybe something from an old CRT or an automotive coil, or just an
audio transformer....

--
William Smith
ComputerSmiths Consulting, Inc. www.compusmiths.com

William,

It's (almost) always better to tell what you really want and why. Makes
answering a lot easier. As for some high voltage experiment, look at:
http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_Repair.html
If you brose the page you will find a link to the schematic of a simple high
voltage generator, a jacobsladder and more.

petrus bitbyter

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ptaylor · May 31, 2004

Rich Grise wrote:

"Kenny" <lerameur@yah00.c0m> wrote in message news:Mmuuc.20

There are circumstances where a 200V supply will make a spark, and
circumstances where 200KV will _not_ make a spark. What kind of spark
did you have in mind?

My background in electronic is: one year in electric engineering, so not
that much .
I have fideling aroud with small circuits so far for the past 3 years.

but

nothing major.

Actually I was reading on Tesla spark gap wich appears in itself to be
dangerous if you do not take precausion. Then my next step would be using
this circuit to hydrolyse water ( double dangerous I know). So this is

the

idea behind me asking those questions so far. any thoughts ? anobody ?

Well, to electrolyze water (I presume that's what you meant) you need low
voltages at relatively higher currents. Well, I don't really know the ratio,
but I've seen it done in a chem lab with either a 1.5V or 6V dry cell.

If you want a Tesla coil, why the intermediate few hunderd volts? Just drive
it with a car coil.

Good Luck!
Rich

It is possible to electrolyze water at HF HV,if you can feed it resonant
pulses. (I forget the resonance of water..anyone?)
Look up "Stanley Meyer" He had a way to electrolyze water with High
Frequency,high voltage pulses,and it would make enough gas to run a
normal torch. I saw a demonstration of it one on tv from the BBC..Pretty
amazing,at the flick of a switch,less then a second later the water
would be literaly,vigorously boiling off "Browns Gas".

http://colossus2.cvl.bcm.tmc.edu/~wje/free_energy/meyer/
should atleast give you an idea of the circuit setup,etc..I had wanted
to build one,just to see for myself,but never got around to it..

ptaylor · May 31, 2004

ptaylor wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:

"Kenny" <lerameur@yah00.c0m> wrote in message news:Mmuuc.20

There are circumstances where a 200V supply will make a spark, and
circumstances where 200KV will _not_ make a spark. What kind of spark
did you have in mind?

My background in electronic is: one year in electric engineering, so not
that much .
I have fideling aroud with small circuits so far for the past 3 years.

but

nothing major.

Actually I was reading on Tesla spark gap wich appears in itself to be
dangerous if you do not take precausion. Then my next step would be
using
this circuit to hydrolyse water ( double dangerous I know). So this is

the

idea behind me asking those questions so far. any thoughts ? anobody ?

Well, to electrolyze water (I presume that's what you meant) you need low
voltages at relatively higher currents. Well, I don't really know the
ratio,
but I've seen it done in a chem lab with either a 1.5V or 6V dry cell.

If you want a Tesla coil, why the intermediate few hunderd volts? Just
drive
it with a car coil.

Good Luck!
Rich

It is possible to electrolyze water at HF HV,if you can feed it resonant
pulses. (I forget the resonance of water..anyone?)

Durr, 2.4-ish Ghz I believe,since thats the freq of magnetrons in
microwaves.
That seems awfully high,I seem to recall something like 300Khz(Mhz?) in
Meyer's setup.

Look up "Stanley Meyer" He had a way to electrolyze water with High
Frequency,high voltage pulses,and it would make enough gas to run a
normal torch. I saw a demonstration of it one on tv from the BBC..Pretty
amazing,at the flick of a switch,less then a second later the water
would be literaly,vigorously boiling off "Browns Gas".

http://colossus2.cvl.bcm.tmc.edu/~wje/free_energy/meyer/
should atleast give you an idea of the circuit setup,etc..I had wanted
to build one,just to see for myself,but never got around to it..

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su · May 31, 2004

"ptaylor" <ptaylor@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:ZJEuc.6$wS.4896@news.uswest.net...
[snip]

It is possible to electrolyze water at HF HV,if you can feed it
resonant
pulses. (I forget the resonance of water..anyone?)

Durr, 2.4-ish Ghz I believe,since thats the freq of magnetrons in
microwaves.
That seems awfully high,I seem to recall something like 300Khz(Mhz?)
in
Meyer's setup.

Hydrogen has a resonant freq of 721 MHz, IIRC, that's whwew the
radiotelescopes listen.

Here's a couple more.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/nmr.html

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