Lights flikering and meter failure

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Sylvia Else

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A goodly few years ago, I had a problem with flickering lights, and was
trying to diagnose it. I had a scope looking at the mains, and was
turning on and off a fan heater.

I had done this a few times, getting surprising images on the scope,
when the entire power went out. I hadn't blown the fuse - the meter
itself had failed.

When the guy from Energy Australia (this was before Ausgrid) came along,
as soon as he determined that the meter had failed, he asked whether
we'd been getting flickering lights.

Now, the meter was the old rotating wheel type. I have been unable to
understand the link between flickering lights and meter failure. Any ideas?

Part of the reason I'm asking is that I'm seeing a similar problem at my
current property.

Sylvia.
 
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message news:aorc58Flm98U1@mid.individual.net...
A goodly few years ago, I had a problem with flickering lights, and was trying to diagnose it. I had a scope looking at the mains,
and was turning on and off a fan heater.

I had done this a few times, getting surprising images on the scope, when the entire power went out. I hadn't blown the fuse - the
meter itself had failed.
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As far as I know, all the old meters have a current coil and a voltage coil which
operate together to rotate the disk in direct proportion to the power.
So when you say the meter has failed does that means the current coil has blown ?
Or is there some other hidden fuse inside the meter?

When the guy from Energy Australia (this was before Ausgrid) came along, as soon as he determined that the meter had failed, he
asked whether we'd been getting flickering lights.

Now, the meter was the old rotating wheel type. I have been unable to understand the link between flickering lights and meter
failure. Any ideas?
Click to expand...
You should have asked the guy from Energy Australia when you had the chance.
Part of the reason I'm asking is that I'm seeing a similar problem at my current property.
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Are we talking about the same meters as before, or a different meter?
 
"yaputya" <yaputya.leftlegin@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
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A goodly few years ago, I had a problem with flickering lights, and was
trying to diagnose it. I had a scope looking at the mains, and was turning
on and off a fan heater.

I had done this a few times, getting surprising images on the scope, when
the entire power went out. I hadn't blown the fuse - the meter itself had
failed.

As far as I know, all the old meters have a current coil and a voltage
coil which
operate together to rotate the disk in direct proportion to the power.
So when you say the meter has failed does that means the current coil has
blown ?
Or is there some other hidden fuse inside the meter?


When the guy from Energy Australia (this was before Ausgrid) came along,
as soon as he determined that the meter had failed, he asked whether we'd
been getting flickering lights.

Now, the meter was the old rotating wheel type. I have been unable to
understand the link between flickering lights and meter failure. Any
ideas?

You should have asked the guy from Energy Australia when you had the
chance.

Part of the reason I'm asking is that I'm seeing a similar problem at my
current property.

Are we talking about the same meters as before, or a different meter?
Click to expand...

Many years ago a similar thing happened at my place, and after the fleet of
trucks had come and gone, the local electrician said it was a faulty earth
on the supplier's side.
No doubt he was dumbing it down for the likes of me, but the physical
problem was at the power pole.
He said it was not uncommon.>
 
On 23/02/2013 4:15 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
A goodly few years ago, I had a problem with flickering lights, and was
trying to diagnose it. I had a scope looking at the mains, and was
turning on and off a fan heater.

I had done this a few times, getting surprising images on the scope,
when the entire power went out. I hadn't blown the fuse - the meter
itself had failed.

When the guy from Energy Australia (this was before Ausgrid) came along,
as soon as he determined that the meter had failed, he asked whether
we'd been getting flickering lights.

Now, the meter was the old rotating wheel type. I have been unable to
understand the link between flickering lights and meter failure. Any ideas?

Part of the reason I'm asking is that I'm seeing a similar problem at my
current property.

Sylvia.
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For the lights to flicker would indicate a loose or bad connection. That
could be anywhere in your system but there are common places for such,
one that can happen in older places is the "Pole" fuse if you have such
on your place. These are not used in underground supply just on the pole
outside in older connections. It's common for the cover on these to be
left open with subsequent corrosion on the contacts. The possibility of
a loose connection can be anywhere, if turning on a power hungry device
causes a lighting flicker then there is a likely cause in a bad
connection in the main board in the common supply wiring such as the
terminals in the main switch etc etc.
 
On 2013-02-23, Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
A goodly few years ago, I had a problem with flickering lights, and was
trying to diagnose it. I had a scope looking at the mains, and was
turning on and off a fan heater.

I had done this a few times, getting surprising images on the scope,
when the entire power went out. I hadn't blown the fuse - the meter
itself had failed.

When the guy from Energy Australia (this was before Ausgrid) came along,
as soon as he determined that the meter had failed, he asked whether
we'd been getting flickering lights.

Now, the meter was the old rotating wheel type. I have been unable to
understand the link between flickering lights and meter failure. Any ideas?
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some of those meters have brush-motors with the line current flowing
in the rotor (and through the brushes).

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some of those meters have brush-motors with the line current flowing
in the rotor (and through the brushes).
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** No they don't.

Mechanical energy meters use induction motors like this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElectricityMeterMechanism.jpg

At the bottom of the pic you can see wire loop terminals where arcing
trouble might eventually develop.



.... Phil
 
On 2013-02-24, Phil Allison <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote:
"Jasen all Betts are Off"


some of those meters have brush-motors with the line current flowing
in the rotor (and through the brushes).


** No they don't.

Mechanical energy meters use induction motors like this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElectricityMeterMechanism.jpg
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_meter#Alternating_current_.28AC.29
start reading at "Also around 1889"

I haven't seen one like that recently but do recall seeing a freshnly
disassembled retired one about 30 years ago.

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⚂⚃ 100% natural

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"Jasen all Betts are Off"
some of those meters have brush-motors with the line current flowing
in the rotor (and through the brushes).


** No they don't.

Mechanical energy meters use induction motors like this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElectricityMeterMechanism.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_meter#Alternating_current_.28AC.29
start reading at "Also around 1889"
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** Piss off fool.
 
Have you dropped dead, Sylvia??


"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message news:aorc58Flm98U1@mid.individual.net...
A goodly few years ago, I had a problem with flickering lights, and was trying to diagnose it. I had a scope looking at the mains,
and was turning on and off a fan heater.

I had done this a few times, getting surprising images on the scope, when the entire power went out. I hadn't blown the fuse - the
meter itself had failed.

When the guy from Energy Australia (this was before Ausgrid) came along, as soon as he determined that the meter had failed, he
asked whether we'd been getting flickering lights.

Now, the meter was the old rotating wheel type. I have been unable to understand the link between flickering lights and meter
failure. Any ideas?

Part of the reason I'm asking is that I'm seeing a similar problem at my current property.

Sylvia.
Click to expand...
 
On 26/02/2013 9:23 AM, yaputya wrote:
Have you dropped dead, Sylvia??


"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message news:aorc58Flm98U1@mid.individual.net...
A goodly few years ago, I had a problem with flickering lights, and was trying to diagnose it. I had a scope looking at the mains,
and was turning on and off a fan heater.

I had done this a few times, getting surprising images on the scope, when the entire power went out. I hadn't blown the fuse - the
meter itself had failed.

When the guy from Energy Australia (this was before Ausgrid) came along, as soon as he determined that the meter had failed, he
asked whether we'd been getting flickering lights.

Now, the meter was the old rotating wheel type. I have been unable to understand the link between flickering lights and meter
failure. Any ideas?

Part of the reason I'm asking is that I'm seeing a similar problem at my current property.

Sylvia.
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Er, no, why?

Sylvia.
 
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message news:ap280mF6kfcU2@mid.individual.net...
On 26/02/2013 9:23 AM, yaputya wrote:
Have you dropped dead, Sylvia??


"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message news:aorc58Flm98U1@mid.individual.net...
A goodly few years ago, I had a problem with flickering lights, and was trying to diagnose it. I had a scope looking at the
mains,
and was turning on and off a fan heater.

I had done this a few times, getting surprising images on the scope, when the entire power went out. I hadn't blown the fuse -
the
meter itself had failed.

When the guy from Energy Australia (this was before Ausgrid) came along, as soon as he determined that the meter had failed, he
asked whether we'd been getting flickering lights.

Now, the meter was the old rotating wheel type. I have been unable to understand the link between flickering lights and meter
failure. Any ideas?

Part of the reason I'm asking is that I'm seeing a similar problem at my current property.

Sylvia.



Er, no, why?

Sylvia.
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No replies to the thread you started, that's all!
 
On 27/02/2013 12:51 AM, yaputya wrote:
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message news:ap280mF6kfcU2@mid.individual.net...
On 26/02/2013 9:23 AM, yaputya wrote:
Have you dropped dead, Sylvia??


"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message news:aorc58Flm98U1@mid.individual.net...
A goodly few years ago, I had a problem with flickering lights, and was trying to diagnose it. I had a scope looking at the
mains,
and was turning on and off a fan heater.

I had done this a few times, getting surprising images on the scope, when the entire power went out. I hadn't blown the fuse -
the
meter itself had failed.

When the guy from Energy Australia (this was before Ausgrid) came along, as soon as he determined that the meter had failed, he
asked whether we'd been getting flickering lights.

Now, the meter was the old rotating wheel type. I have been unable to understand the link between flickering lights and meter
failure. Any ideas?

Part of the reason I'm asking is that I'm seeing a similar problem at my current property.

Sylvia.



Er, no, why?

Sylvia.

No replies to the thread you started, that's all!
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Apart from a reference to a clearly obsolete style of meter, no one's
said anything relevant.

Sylvia.
 
"Sylvia Else Congenital Fuckwit Troll" "

Apart from a reference to a clearly obsolete style of meter, no one's said
anything relevant.
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** Wot a fucking, insane bitch.

Every reply was relevant.



..... Phil
 
On 27/02/2013 1:17 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
"Sylvia Else Congenital Fuckwit Troll""


Apart from a reference to a clearly obsolete style of meter, no one's said
anything relevant.


** Wot a fucking, insane bitch.

Every reply was relevant.



.... Phil




Seconded !!
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Probably waiting for someone to say it's the meter !!
 
On 27/02/2013 8:55 PM, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 27/02/2013 1:17 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
"Sylvia Else Congenital Fuckwit Troll""


Apart from a reference to a clearly obsolete style of meter, no one's
said
anything relevant.


** Wot a fucking, insane bitch.

Every reply was relevant.



.... Phil




Seconded !!
Probably waiting for someone to say it's the meter !!
Click to expand...
If you bother to read my original posting, you'll see that my query
related specifically to the way in which a failing meter can cause
flickering lights. It was not a general query about the causes of the
latter.

Sylvia.
 
"Sylvia Else Congenital Fuckwit Troll""
Apart from a reference to a clearly obsolete style of meter, no one's
said
anything relevant.


** Wot a fucking, insane bitch.

Every reply was relevant.



Seconded !!
Probably waiting for someone to say it's the meter !!

If you bother to read my original posting, you'll see that my query
related specifically to the way in which a failing meter can cause
flickering lights.
Click to expand...

" Mechanical energy meters use induction motors like this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElectricityMeterMechanism.jpg

At the bottom of the pic you can see wire loop terminals where arcing
trouble might eventually develop. "



..... Phil
 
On 27/02/2013 10:32 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
"Sylvia Else Congenital Fuckwit Troll""


Apart from a reference to a clearly obsolete style of meter, no one's
said
anything relevant.


** Wot a fucking, insane bitch.

Every reply was relevant.



Seconded !!
Probably waiting for someone to say it's the meter !!

If you bother to read my original posting, you'll see that my query
related specifically to the way in which a failing meter can cause
flickering lights.


" Mechanical energy meters use induction motors like this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElectricityMeterMechanism.jpg

At the bottom of the pic you can see wire loop terminals where arcing
trouble might eventually develop. "
Click to expand...
I discounted that posting as being nonsensical.

Arcing from live to neutral or earth would soon blow Ausgrid's fuse if
it were sufficient to drop the voltage noticeably.

The kind of arcing that causes light flickering is the kind that occurs
between wires that are meant to be connected together when they become
corroded or loose.

Sylvia.
 
"Sylvia Else Congenital Fuckwit Troll""
** Wot a fucking, insane bitch.

Every reply was relevant.



Seconded !!
Probably waiting for someone to say it's the meter !!

If you bother to read my original posting, you'll see that my query
related specifically to the way in which a failing meter can cause
flickering lights.


" Mechanical energy meters use induction motors like this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElectricityMeterMechanism.jpg

At the bottom of the pic you can see wire loop terminals where arcing
trouble might eventually develop. "

I discounted that posting as being nonsensical.

Arcing from live to neutral or earth would soon blow Ausgrid's fuse if it
were sufficient to drop the voltage noticeably.

The kind of arcing that causes light flickering is the kind that occurs
between wires that are meant to be connected together when they become
corroded or loose.
Click to expand...

** That 3 turn ( current sensing) coil is wired in series with ALL the load
in a premises.

If the terminals become worn lose and / or corroded - then ARCING across
the connection is the **100%** inevitable result.

I COULD NOT HAVE MADE IT CLEARER !!!!!!!!


You vile, fucking stupid, brain dead, genetically defective pile of pommy
shit.





.... Phil
 
On 27/02/2013 11:11 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
"Sylvia Else Congenital Fuckwit Troll""

** Wot a fucking, insane bitch.

Every reply was relevant.



Seconded !!
Probably waiting for someone to say it's the meter !!

If you bother to read my original posting, you'll see that my query
related specifically to the way in which a failing meter can cause
flickering lights.


" Mechanical energy meters use induction motors like this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElectricityMeterMechanism.jpg

At the bottom of the pic you can see wire loop terminals where arcing
trouble might eventually develop. "

I discounted that posting as being nonsensical.

Arcing from live to neutral or earth would soon blow Ausgrid's fuse if it
were sufficient to drop the voltage noticeably.

The kind of arcing that causes light flickering is the kind that occurs
between wires that are meant to be connected together when they become
corroded or loose.


** That 3 turn ( current sensing) coil is wired in series with ALL the load
in a premises.

If the terminals become worn lose and / or corroded - then ARCING across
the connection is the **100%** inevitable result.

I COULD NOT HAVE MADE IT CLEARER !!!!!!!!
Click to expand...
Phil, you rarely make things clear. You may think you are doing so, but
you are not.

Sylvia.
 
"Sylvia Else Congenital Fuckwit Troll""
** Wot a fucking, insane bitch.

Every reply was relevant.



Seconded !!
Probably waiting for someone to say it's the meter !!

If you bother to read my original posting, you'll see that my query
related specifically to the way in which a failing meter can cause
flickering lights.


" Mechanical energy meters use induction motors like this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElectricityMeterMechanism.jpg

At the bottom of the pic you can see wire loop terminals where arcing
trouble might eventually develop. "

I discounted that posting as being nonsensical.

Arcing from live to neutral or earth would soon blow Ausgrid's fuse if
it
were sufficient to drop the voltage noticeably.

The kind of arcing that causes light flickering is the kind that occurs
between wires that are meant to be connected together when they become
corroded or loose.


** That 3 turn ( current sensing) coil is wired in series with ALL the
load
in a premises.

If the terminals become worn lose and / or corroded - then ARCING
across
the connection is the **100%** inevitable result.

I COULD NOT HAVE MADE IT CLEARER !!!!!!!!

Phil, you rarely make things clear.
Click to expand...

** FYI:

I am easily the best writer on this NG or any that I frequent.

Fraid it is simply not possible to make anything CLEAR to

FUCKING MENTAL DEFECTIVES

or to FUCKING NUT CASE LIARS

or to AUTISM FUCKED POMMY CRETINS


and YOU are all three.

FOAD a horrible death.
 
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