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Just on the news...

T Blair concedes in call to Bush.

Shit!



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On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:04:35 +0100, martin griffith
<martingriffith@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Just on the news...

T Blair concedes in call to Bush.

Shit!

martin
But it could be good for you... become a state... just think how much
better off you'd be with US tax rates.

And your "brain drain" would stop... right now, any Brit with a
marketable technical skill flees to the US.

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"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:04:35 +0100, martin griffith
martingriffith@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Just on the news...

T Blair concedes in call to Bush.

Shit!

martin


But it could be good for you... become a state... just think how much
better off you'd be with US tax rates.

And your "brain drain" would stop... right now, any Brit with a
marketable technical skill flees to the US.
Dead right.
Also in a lot of ways, we have a lot more in common with the US, than with
a lot of parts of the EU, with a suprising amount of trade as well...
 
In article <v34io0lt33arj6hk7ck1797b1gbqanb4pj@4ax.com>,
thegreatone@example.com says...
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:04:35 +0100, martin griffith
martingriffith@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Just on the news...

T Blair concedes in call to Bush.

Shit!

martin


But it could be good for you... become a state... just think how much
better off you'd be with US tax rates.

And your "brain drain" would stop... right now, any Brit with a
marketable technical skill flees to the US.
Dunno, it didn't help Taxyourtwoshits. ;-)

--
Keith
 
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:11:45 -0700, in sci.electronics.design you
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:04:35 +0100, martin griffith
martingriffith@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Just on the news...

T Blair concedes in call to Bush.

Shit!

martin


But it could be good for you... become a state... just think how much
better off you'd be with US tax rates.
And spend what I save on Lawyers and Halthcare.

And your "brain drain" would stop... right now, any Brit with a
marketable technical skill flees to the US.
I more or less thought that the US economy upsurge was "jobless", with
all sorts of jobs being outsourced to other parts of the world, India,
etc

but worst of all, you are not yet Metric. The concept of going back
to inches, gallons would terrify me!




martin

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In article <4r7io0le3bq5ao164qd5ibj45c8u48a968@4ax.com>,
martingriffith@yahoo.co.uk says...
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:11:45 -0700, in sci.electronics.design you
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:04:35 +0100, martin griffith
martingriffith@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Just on the news...

T Blair concedes in call to Bush.

Shit!

martin


But it could be good for you... become a state... just think how much
better off you'd be with US tax rates.
And spend what I save on Lawyers and Halthcare.
....and "Hooked on Phonics".

And your "brain drain" would stop... right now, any Brit with a
marketable technical skill flees to the US.
I more or less thought that the US economy upsurge was "jobless", with
all sorts of jobs being outsourced to other parts of the world, India,
etc

but worst of all, you are not yet Metric. The concept of going back
to inches, gallons would terrify me!
Any engineer that can't convert readily in one's head should trade in
his slide rule for Depends.

--
Keith
 
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:20:20 +0100, martin griffith wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:11:45 -0700, in sci.electronics.design you
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:04:35 +0100, martin griffith
martingriffith@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Just on the news...

T Blair concedes in call to Bush.

Shit!

martin


But it could be good for you... become a state... just think how much
better off you'd be with US tax rates.
And spend what I save on Lawyers and Halthcare.

And your "brain drain" would stop... right now, any Brit with a
marketable technical skill flees to the US.
I more or less thought that the US economy upsurge was "jobless", with
all sorts of jobs being outsourced to other parts of the world, India,
etc
I heard that they fixed that "lost jobs" problem by redifining
"burger assembler" as a "manufacturing" job.

Cheers!
Rich
 
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:47:48 -0500, Keith Williams wrote:

In article <4r7io0le3bq5ao164qd5ibj45c8u48a968@4ax.com>,
....
but worst of all, you are not yet Metric. The concept of going back
to inches, gallons would terrify me!

Any engineer that can't convert readily in one's head should trade in
his slide rule for Depends.
I thought doing crap like that caused stuff like spacecraft to
fail.

Thanks,
Rich
 
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:39:23 +0100, Frank Bemelman wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:20:20 +0100, martin griffith
I more or less thought that the US economy upsurge was "jobless", with
all sorts of jobs being outsourced to other parts of the world, India,
etc
So you come to the US for a job and we'll send you to India.
Hmmm... :^)
You can get a "manufacturing" job assembling burgers. ;-)

but worst of all, you are not yet Metric. The concept of going back
to inches, gallons would terrify me!

Just remember 2.54 and 3.785

And 0.00001639, 0.02831685, 0.7645549, 0.9463, 3.7854118 (oops
you mentioned that one), 29.57353, 0.3382, 0.2642, 35.31 and
probably a few others I forgot ;)

Okay, I confess, found it here:
http://www.lcc.ctc.edu/info/charts/conversions.htm

I don't mind inches when in decimal form, but 3/8" and 7/32"
are meaningless to me, without converting them first.

A bigger problem, where a conversion chart doesn't help,
is when you need a replacement screw/nut/bolt/bearing or
even tools that fit.
I used to be obsessed with the pounds/quarts/inches system,
and proclaim, "It's _natural!_ An inch is the width of your
thumb, and a foot is the length of the standard foot, and a
yard is from the tip of your nose to your finger, and yadda
is blah and so on", until someone clued me up: "across the
base of the nail of the small finger is one centimeter."
And, presumably, one meter is some decimal fraction of the
distance from the equator to the pole - lessee, 6,000 miles
is about 10,000 km, right?

And metric wrenches, actually, are better, because they're
just a number. a 7/16 is pretty close to a 12, and so on.

I wondered, "howcome there's no 12.5 mm wrenches", but
realized, they don't need them! a mm is about 1/25",
which is fine enough resolution for practical purposes.

What's really stupid, though, is the road signs that say
stuff like, "Slauson Av. 1/4 mi. (.4023 KM)".

And of course, parsecs are a unit in their own right. :)

Thanks,
Rich
 
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:14:57 +0000, Scott Stephens wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:04:35 +0100, martin griffith
martingriffith@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Just on the news...

T Blair concedes in call to Bush.

Shit!

But look at the bright side: the next time you're ravaged by a
tropical hurricane, you'll get lots of help.

How many votes can they deliver? Largess aint fer free ;)

They have to be votes for the right party, and it helps too to have
congressmen on the appropriate committees.
Would that be the appropriate appropriations committee? ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 
"Rich Grise" <rich@example.net> wrote in message
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<snip>
I wondered, "howcome there's no 12.5 mm wrenches", but
realized, they don't need them! a mm is about 1/25",
which is fine enough resolution for practical purposes.

What's really stupid, though, is the road signs that say
stuff like, "Slauson Av. 1/4 mi. (.4023 KM)".

And of course, parsecs are a unit in their own right. :)

Thanks,
Rich


Sometimes that 'mm is about 1/25" ' is not good enough.
I had a 256 pin QFP laid out once where the manufacturer
had stated the pin spacing as '0.020"(0.5mm)'. Turned out
that the spacing really was 0.5mm. That meant the leads
steadily precessed across the pads, finishing up one pin
spacing out over the length of each side.

Boy, was I popular with the tech that had to bend every
lead just a little bit to get it to fit on the board!

Regards
Ian
 
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:38:35 -0000, "Ian"
<Ian_Buckner_not_@agilent.com> wrote:

"Rich Grise" <rich@example.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.11.03.23.48.11.840748@example.net...
snip
I wondered, "howcome there's no 12.5 mm wrenches", but
realized, they don't need them! a mm is about 1/25",
which is fine enough resolution for practical purposes.

What's really stupid, though, is the road signs that say
stuff like, "Slauson Av. 1/4 mi. (.4023 KM)".

And of course, parsecs are a unit in their own right. :)

Thanks,
Rich


Sometimes that 'mm is about 1/25" ' is not good enough.
I had a 256 pin QFP laid out once where the manufacturer
had stated the pin spacing as '0.020"(0.5mm)'. Turned out
that the spacing really was 0.5mm. That meant the leads
steadily precessed across the pads, finishing up one pin
spacing out over the length of each side.

Boy, was I popular with the tech that had to bend every
lead just a little bit to get it to fit on the board!
We *almost* fabbed a BGA board like that. The PADS software (or
library?) somehow anglicized the ball spacing slightly, enough to be
about half a ball across the chip. Luckily, we caught it by accident.
One of the tech support people at PADS fixed the layout for us some
magical way, without ripping out all the routed traces.

John
 
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:38:35 -0000, "Ian"
Ian_Buckner_not_@agilent.com> wrote:
"Rich Grise" <rich@example.net> wrote in message
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snip
I wondered, "howcome there's no 12.5 mm wrenches", but
realized, they don't need them! a mm is about 1/25",
which is fine enough resolution for practical purposes.

What's really stupid, though, is the road signs that say
stuff like, "Slauson Av. 1/4 mi. (.4023 KM)".

And of course, parsecs are a unit in their own right. :)

Thanks,
Rich

Sometimes that 'mm is about 1/25" ' is not good enough.
Really, since it is 1 / 25.4 I really have no doubt.
Any Engineer worth his salt uses 4 decimal places in layout calculations. Then
verifies everything! I carry a measuring Microscope in my kit, along with
calipers with one mill resolution. But I am NOT a mechanical Engineer. Just
tools of the trade!

I had a 256 pin QFP laid out once where the manufacturer
had stated the pin spacing as '0.020"(0.5mm)'. Turned out
that the spacing really was 0.5mm. That meant the leads
steadily precessed across the pads, finishing up one pin
spacing out over the length of each side.

Boy, was I popular with the tech that had to bend every
lead just a little bit to get it to fit on the board!

We *almost* fabbed a BGA board like that. The PADS software (or
library?) somehow anglicized the ball spacing slightly, enough to be
about half a ball across the chip. Luckily, we caught it by accident.
One of the tech support people at PADS fixed the layout for us some
magical way, without ripping out all the routed traces.
A 'Grid' adjustment, every layout designer needs to know how to do it.


 
"Keith Williams" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
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In article <4r7io0le3bq5ao164qd5ibj45c8u48a968@4ax.com>,
martingriffith@yahoo.co.uk says...
wrote:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:04:35 +0100, martin griffith
martingriffith@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Just on the news...
T Blair concedes in call to Bush.
Shit! martin

But it could be good for you... become a state... just think how much
better off you'd be with US tax rates.
And spend what I save on Lawyers and Halthcare.
...and "Hooked on Phonics".

And your "brain drain" would stop... right now, any Brit with a
marketable technical skill flees to the US.
I more or less thought that the US economy upsurge was "jobless", with
all sorts of jobs being outsourced to other parts of the world, India,
etc

but worst of all, you are not yet Metric. The concept of going back
to inches, gallons would terrify me!

Any engineer that can't convert readily in one's head should trade in
his slide rule for Depends.

Agreed, plus, no one would impose a change!
 
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:20:20 +0100, martin griffith
<martingriffith@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


I more or less thought that the US economy upsurge was "jobless", with
all sorts of jobs being outsourced to other parts of the world, India,
etc
---
So you come to the US for a job and we'll send you to India.
Hmmm... :^)
---

but worst of all, you are not yet Metric. The concept of going back
to inches, gallons would terrify me!
Just remember 2.54 and 3.785

--
John Fields
 
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 04:21:37 -0800, Bill Sloman wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote in message news:<vb5io01k30f61ttu294ncsabnba650ha7n@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:04:35 +0100, martin griffith
martingriffith@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Just on the news...

T Blair concedes in call to Bush.

Shit!



But look at the bright side: the next time you're ravaged by a
tropical hurricane, you'll get lots of help.

All the tropical hurricanes that ravage Florida move northeast after
expressing God's view of the Bushes, and end up dumping a shitload of
rain on England and the Netherlands (amongst other places) about a
fortnight later.

At present we seem to be coping well enough, but global warming ought
to make to the tropical hurricans more energetic in the first place
and keep them gaining energy firther north, if it doesn't turn off the
Gulf Stream and give us a completely different set of problems.

One time in Okinawa, I got volunteered for hurricane watch, which is
basically one guy who sits in the shop while everybody else sits home.
The windows were leaking so bad that the guy in the next shop and
I were actually bailing the floor.

But I think I'd rather sit through a hurricane, or even a tornado,
than a tsunami or volcano. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:38:35 +0000, Ian wrote:

"Rich Grise" <rich@example.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.11.03.23.48.11.840748@example.net...
snip
I wondered, "howcome there's no 12.5 mm wrenches", but
realized, they don't need them! a mm is about 1/25",
which is fine enough resolution for practical purposes.

What's really stupid, though, is the road signs that say
stuff like, "Slauson Av. 1/4 mi. (.4023 KM)".

And of course, parsecs are a unit in their own right. :)

Thanks,
Rich


Sometimes that 'mm is about 1/25" ' is not good enough.
I had a 256 pin QFP laid out once where the manufacturer
had stated the pin spacing as '0.020"(0.5mm)'. Turned out
that the spacing really was 0.5mm. That meant the leads
steadily precessed across the pads, finishing up one pin
spacing out over the length of each side.

Boy, was I popular with the tech that had to bend every
lead just a little bit to get it to fit on the board!
Yeah, well, that stuff doesn't count, since they invented all
those ultrasubmicromini parts while I was busy having my mid-
life crisis. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 

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