Latest Bivalent COVID-19 Booster Vaccinations Coming Soon...

[Fred Bloggs]

The U.S. has 200 million doses on order. They\'re really taking the anticipated fall/ winter surge seriously here. Anyone for whom their latest COVID vaccination is two months or more prior is eligible for the booster.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-moderna-pfizer-biontech-bivalent-covid-19-vaccines-use

Looks like the clunky viral vector vaccines, AstraZeneca, are not even a consideration any more, in the first world anyway.

Interestingly, Moderna is suing Pfizer/BioNTech for in effect stealing their mRNA technology. The industry news reports are that this is a non-event type of thing that always happens with newly introduced technology.

 

[a a]

On Friday, 2 September 2022 at 15:17:56 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:

The U.S. has 200 million doses on order. They\'re really taking the anticipated fall/ winter surge seriously here. Anyone for whom their latest COVID vaccination is two months or more prior is eligible for the booster.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-moderna-pfizer-biontech-bivalent-covid-19-vaccines-use

Looks like the clunky viral vector vaccines, AstraZeneca, are not even a consideration any more, in the first world anyway.

Interestingly, Moderna is suing Pfizer/BioNTech for in effect stealing their mRNA technology. The industry news reports are that this is a non-event type of thing that always happens with newly introduced technology.

forget fake
there is only one vaccine, autogenic vaccine, which works for all your life span

If you love genetic experiments you may get 5 boosters as offered by Pfizer in Israel

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 9:35:54 AM UTC-4, a a wrote:

On Friday, 2 September 2022 at 15:17:56 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
The U.S. has 200 million doses on order. They\'re really taking the anticipated fall/ winter surge seriously here. Anyone for whom their latest COVID vaccination is two months or more prior is eligible for the booster.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-moderna-pfizer-biontech-bivalent-covid-19-vaccines-use

Looks like the clunky viral vector vaccines, AstraZeneca, are not even a consideration any more, in the first world anyway.

Interestingly, Moderna is suing Pfizer/BioNTech for in effect stealing their mRNA technology. The industry news reports are that this is a non-event type of thing that always happens with newly introduced technology.
forget fake
there is only one vaccine, autogenic vaccine, which works for all your life span

Autogenic vaccine so-called is quackery, like you.

If you love genetic experiments you may get 5 boosters as offered by Pfizer in Israel

mRNA vaccination has nothing to do with cell nuclei or mitochondria DNA and therefore has nothing to do with genetics. It\'s about the least invasive of all the vaccine types, unless your brain is located in your deltoid, and we all know yours is in your gluteus.

 

[server]

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 06:17:51 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

The U.S. has 200 million doses on order. They\'re really taking the anticipated fall/ winter surge seriously here. Anyone for whom their latest COVID vaccination is two months or more prior is eligible for the booster.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-moderna-pfizer-biontech-bivalent-covid-19-vaccines-use

Looks like the clunky viral vector vaccines, AstraZeneca, are not even a consideration any more, in the first world anyway.

Interestingly, Moderna is suing Pfizer/BioNTech for in effect stealing their mRNA technology. The industry news reports are that this is a non-event type of thing that always happens with newly introduced technology.

Nobody cares much about covid any more. The news shrieking has
switched back to Climate Change with a side of monkeypox.

 

[a a]

On Friday, 2 September 2022 at 16:36:45 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:

never give medical advice since you are not authorized to

just read and never comment
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Autogenous vaccines, also called autologous vaccines, autovaccines, “self” or custom vaccines, are vaccines that are prepared by isolation and destruction of microorganisms in infected individuals and used to provide immunity to the same individual.[1][2]

Autogenous vaccines were introduced in the early twentieth century with growing evidence of its efficacy against certain infections. These vaccines rely on the activation of the individual\'s immune system to produce immunity against the infectious pathogen. They are usually produced when an individual or small group is presented with a disease and can be applied to various bacterial and viral infections. Autogenous vaccines are quite similar to conventional vaccines in terms of their use, however, they are dissimilar and arguably preferred over conventional vaccines in certain areas. Currently, several autogenous vaccines are available for veterinary use in several countries. Human use of this type of vaccine is limited and has not been widely approved due to lack of scientific evidence and research.
Contents

1 History
2 Mechanism of action
3 Preparation
4 Applications
4.1 In humans
4.2 In animals
5 Comparison with conventional vaccines
6 Advantages and disadvantages
6.1 Advantages
6.2 Disadvantages
6.2.1 Adverse effects
7 Regulation
8 See also
9 References

History

Autogenous vaccines have been researched since as early as the 1900s. This type of vaccine was first introduced by Sir Almroth Edward Wright in 1903 and in the following years, several case reports were published regarding the preparation and indications of autogenous vaccines.[3][4][5]
A photo of Sir Almroth Edward Wright
Sir Almroth Edward Wright was a strong advocate of preventive medicine

Autogenous vaccines were used in adults, children, and infants to treat various chronic infections, including skin infections, respiratory tract infections, colon infections and urinary tract infections.[1] Autogenous vaccines were also used in cases of bronchial asthma, sepsis, gonorrhea, candidiasis, and osteomyelitis among others.[1]

The efficacy of autogenous vaccines for human use has shown varying results.. Patient responses range from no relapses for years to no effects at all, to being presented with local and systemic adverse reactions, especially with high doses.[1] The concern of potential adverse effects led to the introduction of intracutaneous skin tests by I. Chandler Walker in 1917.[6] Investigators later concluded that autogenous vaccines provide hyposensitisation in patients with chronic and recurrent infections who may induce allergic reactions.[1]

Autogenous vaccines soon became less popular as a therapeutic agent against bacterial infection due to the discovery of antibiotics. However, antibiotics proved to be less than satisfactory in their efficacy for prolonged consumption and caused unwanted complications, eventually leading to the resumption of autogenous vaccines.[1]

Autogenous vaccines are now less used in humans than in animals. Human use is mostly restricted to eastern Europe to treat chronic and recurrent diseases, for example chronic staphylococcal infections.[1] For animals, conventional mass-produced vaccines are less effective as they rarely take strain variations into account due to high costs of research and development. Autogenous vaccines provide an alternative way to induce immunity in animals without paying expensive fees for unnecessary vaccine strains.[7]
Mechanism of action

The mechanism of action of autogenous vaccine is not fully understood, however, it is suggested that it involves activation of the innate immune system to produce a nonspecific immune response and activation of the adaptive immune system to produce a specific immune response.[1][8] Following the injection, the innate immune system is activated and sends large amounts of phagocytes to the injection site which kills the microorganisms. Phagocytes will then present the antigens to T helper cells to activate the adaptive immune system. T helper cells activate macrophages and neutrophils to aid in killing the pathogenic microorganisms. T helper cells also aid plasma cells to produce antibodies, thus allowing the immune system to “remember” the vaccine agents. As the surface antigens in the vaccine are the same as those of the disease, the immune system can recognise the pathogenic agents and produce an immune response to kill them when the pathogen is encountered.[1][8]
Preparation

Autogenous vaccine production usually occurs when there is such a demand.[citation needed]

In human beings, samples of pathogens are isolated from a site of infection in the sick individual, for instance pus or abscess, sputum, urine and vaginal discharge. The identified pathogenic agents will then be cultured and inactivated, either by chemicals or by heat.[1] The inactivation process involves the destruction of the antigen activity while preserving the protein composition of it, as the state of the protein can affect the effectiveness of immune response in the patient.[7] Tests will then be conducted to ensure the sterility, safety and quality.[7][9] The whole manufacturing process can take up to 3 to 4 weeks depending on the manufacturer.[1]

In animals, the preparation is similar. An example of this is when an infectious disorder is discovered in a farm herd. This discovery prompts the veterinarian to take samples from infected animals. These samples will then be delivered to a laboratory for culture and isolation of the pathogenic agents.[10] Once the pathogenic agents are identified, they can be used to manufacture vaccines. This is followed by a series of steps to formulate the desired product and ensure its quality and safety. The formulated vaccine is then delivered back to the veterinarian where the vaccine will be administered to the herd.[7][10]
Applications
In humans

Before the formulated vaccine is administered to the patient, the patient receives an intradermal skin test to ensure the patient does not have any hypersensitivity reactions to the vaccine.[1] Once the test is conducted and proven negative, treatment can begin.

The autogenous vaccine is applied subcutaneously in intervals over weeks or months. The application process usually involves a gradual increase in doses and intervals. Another administration method is by oral therapy, especially in bronchial asthma.[11] In light of possible adverse effects, the patient should be observed for an hour after the administration.[1]
In animals

Autogenous vaccines are used to treat various animal infections, including but not limited to dermatitis, sinusitis, otitis externa, pharyngitis, laryngitis and mastitis that may be induced by Gram-positive or Gram-negative bacteria, dermatophytes and yeasts.[1]

Generally, indications of autogenous vaccines include resistance of pathogenic microorganisms to antibiotic treatment, ineffective therapy or immune response and lack of commercial vaccines.[1]

Autogenous vaccines can be made for single individuals (dogs, cats, rabbits or horses) when treatments fail to provide desired results or large groups (fish, cows, pigs, goats, horses or poultry) when spread of a disease needs to be controlled.[1][12]

For dogs, autogenous vaccines are typically prepared for dogs with pyoderma and inflammation of the middle and outer ear, especially when previous treatment of antibiotics failed to show desirable results.[1] Autogenous vaccines are also useful for rabbits suffering from subcutaneous abscesses,[13] cats with purulent lesions[14] and horses with inflammation of the noses and sinuses, which are all caused by staphylococci infections. For pigs, autogenous vaccines can be used for skin infections;[15] while for cows, they can be used for mastitis.[1][16]

Before the formulated vaccine is administered to the animal, an immunostimulant containing bacteria will be given once subcutaneously several days early.[1] The immunostimulation will activate macrophages such that bacteria from the autogenous vaccine can be more effectively destroyed.[1]

The vaccine itself can be administered differently depending on the species..[1] The route of administration for most animals is subcutaneous injection, while injections are administered intramuscularly to pigs and in the wing membrane to birds. The dose can also vary depending on the animal and disease. The usual method is either three doses of the same volume but increasing density, three doses of the same density with the last two as booster doses, or one dose only. Sometimes treatment is combined with antibiotics to generate a more effective result.[1]
Comparison with conventional vaccines
Comparison between conventional vaccines and autogenous vaccines[17] Conventional vaccines Autogenous vaccines
Similarities


To enhance the immunity of an individual toward a disease
Can apply to a wide range of diseases



To enhance the immunity of an individual toward a disease
Can apply to a wide range of diseases

Differences

For prevention
Mass produced for a community
Normally produced from an inactivated or killed pathogen of certain bacterial or viral strains



For prevention and therapeutic use (can be used before or after disease outbreak)
Produced for an individual or a group
Produced from an individual\'s own cells

Advantages and disadvantages
Advantages

There are several advantages of autogenous vaccines:

One of the major advantages is its effect in prevention of disease. This is the function of every vaccine, to limit the disease occurrence and spread, and to treat diseases associated with antibiotic-resistant bacteria. Autogenous vaccines can also reduce the costs of production. The costs of research and development for a conventional vaccine is high compared to the cost needed to produce autogenous vaccines. In some cases, conventional vaccines fail to provide total immunity to a disease and thus is not economically profitable.[16][18] Autogenous vaccines can address this problem effectively..[citation needed]

Also, this type of vaccine limits the number of vaccine interventions by combining several valencies such that the number of injections required is low.[19]

Another advantage is to ensure food safety. Autogenous vaccines allow cattle and poultry to be healthy and suitable for human consumption, by inducing immunity in animals, reducing the excretion of microbial toxins that can cause infections and limiting the use of excessive therapeutic agents. Autogenous vaccines are also a good and quick alternative when there are no vaccines for a novel emerging disease or a relatively uncommon disease or a relatively uncommon species. This type of vaccine can also be used when there is antigenic variability within the same bacterial species such that conventional vaccines cannot provide specific immunity.[19]
Disadvantages

However, there are downsides to autogenous vaccines. One of the major disadvantages is the pathogenic antigen cannot always be identified correctly and accurately due to limitations in knowledge and technology. Another disadvantage is adjuvants used in vaccines to ensure its safety is limited in autogenous vaccines as they require extensive testing. Also, the cost of producing autogenous vaccines tailor-made for each individual or group can be greater than that of conventional vaccines in the long run.[20]
Adverse effects

Autogenous vaccines are generally considered safe. However, adverse effects may occur at the site of injection, such as mild redness and swelling, as well as rare systemic reactions such as fever, sore throat, headache and malaise.[1]
Regulation

Autogenous vaccines are regulated in areas such as the United States,[21] Europe[19] and the United Kingdom.[22] Use of autogenous vaccines in the United States are regulated under the 1995 Virus-Serum-Toxin Act.[18] Europe mainly focuses on veterinary use regulations[19] while the Veterinary Medicines Directorate is the authority responsible for overseeing the use and quality of veterinary medical products, including autogenous vaccines.[22]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autogenous_vaccines

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 10:54:41 AM UTC-4, a a wrote:

On Friday, 2 September 2022 at 16:36:45 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:

never give medical advice since you are not authorized to

just read and never comment

Take your own advice. All you do is cut and paste a bunch of gibberish you can\'t understand and apparently don\'t even read. Did you miss the part:

\"Currently, several autogenous vaccines are available for veterinary use in several countries. Human use of this type of vaccine is limited and has not been widely approved due to lack of scientific evidence and research.\"

People are not farm animals...
<snip>

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 10:44:04 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 06:17:51 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

The U.S. has 200 million doses on order. They\'re really taking the anticipated fall/ winter surge seriously here. Anyone for whom their latest COVID vaccination is two months or more prior is eligible for the booster.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-moderna-pfizer-biontech-bivalent-covid-19-vaccines-use

Looks like the clunky viral vector vaccines, AstraZeneca, are not even a consideration any more, in the first world anyway.

Interestingly, Moderna is suing Pfizer/BioNTech for in effect stealing their mRNA technology. The industry news reports are that this is a non-event type of thing that always happens with newly introduced technology.
Nobody cares much about covid any more. The news shrieking has
switched back to Climate Change with a side of monkeypox.

7-day average daily US deaths due to COVID was 549 on Sept 1.

Monkeypox recently killed one person in Houston.

Climate change will dwarf those numbers.

 

[Don Y]

On 9/2/2022 6:17 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

The U.S. has 200 million doses on order. They\'re really taking the
anticipated fall/ winter surge seriously here. Anyone for whom their latest
COVID vaccination is two months or more prior is eligible for the booster.

It will be interesting to see if this makes a dent in the number of actual
(vs. reported) cases. It\'s fall from prominence in the news cycles seems
to be leading to an excess of preventable cases as folks stop masking
and engage in more \"social\" behaviors.

We\'ve seen several friends come down with covid who had escaped it,
previously -- each admitting to having let down their guard.

[Typical case seems to be a week/10 days of illness followed by
several weeks of extreme fatigue. Isn\'t it wonderful to lose a month
of your \"lifestyle\" and receive nothing in return?]

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-moderna-pfizer-biontech-bivalent-covid-19-vaccines-use

Looks like the clunky viral vector vaccines, AstraZeneca, are not even a
consideration any more, in the first world anyway.

Interestingly, Moderna is suing Pfizer/BioNTech for in effect stealing their
mRNA technology. The industry news reports are that this is a non-event type
of thing that always happens with newly introduced technology.

 

[a a]

On Friday, 2 September 2022 at 19:08:47 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
why do you looks so stupid ?

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:44:04 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 06:17:51 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

The U.S. has 200 million doses on order. They\'re really taking the anticipated fall/ winter surge seriously here. Anyone for whom their latest COVID vaccination is two months or more prior is eligible for the booster.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-moderna-pfizer-biontech-bivalent-covid-19-vaccines-use

Looks like the clunky viral vector vaccines, AstraZeneca, are not even a consideration any more, in the first world anyway.

Interestingly, Moderna is suing Pfizer/BioNTech for in effect stealing their mRNA technology. The industry news reports are that this is a non-event type of thing that always happens with newly introduced technology.

Nobody cares much about covid any more. The news shrieking has
switched back to Climate Change with a side of monkeypox.

It is still killing people - mostly the elderly unvaccinated, but if you are old enough, or have a weakened immune system for other reasons, it can do for you too even if you do have enough sense to get vaccinated.

The newspapers have lost interest, but few are supeficial enough to think that that means anything.

--
Bill Slloman, Sydney

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 5:10:05 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:

On 9/2/2022 6:17 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
The U.S. has 200 million doses on order. They\'re really taking the
anticipated fall/ winter surge seriously here. Anyone for whom their latest
COVID vaccination is two months or more prior is eligible for the booster.
It will be interesting to see if this makes a dent in the number of actual
(vs. reported) cases. It\'s fall from prominence in the news cycles seems
to be leading to an excess of preventable cases as folks stop masking
and engage in more \"social\" behaviors.

We\'ve seen several friends come down with covid who had escaped it,
previously -- each admitting to having let down their guard.

[Typical case seems to be a week/10 days of illness followed by
several weeks of extreme fatigue. Isn\'t it wonderful to lose a month
of your \"lifestyle\" and receive nothing in return?]
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-moderna-pfizer-biontech-bivalent-covid-19-vaccines-use

Looks like the clunky viral vector vaccines, AstraZeneca, are not even a
consideration any more, in the first world anyway.

Interestingly, Moderna is suing Pfizer/BioNTech for in effect stealing their
mRNA technology. The industry news reports are that this is a non-event type
of thing that always happens with newly introduced technology.

I believe the \"uptake\" estimates are in the 30-70% range. People are just losing interest in the whole \"COVID thing.\" Seems the vaccine will be a lot easier than going on Paxlovid. Remarkably the FDA authorized pharmacists to prescribe the drug, the reason being you have a 5 day window after infection to get on it for it to be effective. I bet the pharmacists love that, as if they don\'t already have a ton of work to do.

 

[Don Y]

On 9/3/2022 8:16 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 5:10:05 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:

We\'ve seen several friends come down with covid who had escaped it,
previously -- each admitting to having let down their guard.

[Typical case seems to be a week/10 days of illness followed by
several weeks of extreme fatigue. Isn\'t it wonderful to lose a month
of your \"lifestyle\" and receive nothing in return?]

I believe the \"uptake\" estimates are in the 30-70% range.

Oh, all of the folks I know who\'ve come down with it are in the
\"double-boosted\" group. They just decided they were now \"safe\".

And, tired of taking precautions.

\"I hope that dinner was worth it?!\"

\"What dinner?\"

\"Whichever one that exposed you to the virus. Two, three hours
sitting around, having drinks, etc. Followed, eventually, by
a week of illness and a month of debilitating fatigue. Yup,
must have been a REALLY GOOD meal!\"

> People are just losing interest in the whole \"COVID thing.\"

Of course. Hard to remain vigilant for long periods of time.
I pity the folks who have to *work* through this! (folks I
know are all retired so they *could* limit their exposure...
but got tired of \"denying themselves\" certain pleasures)

Seems the vaccine will be a lot easier than going on Paxlovid.
Remarkably the FDA authorized pharmacists to prescribe the drug,
the reason being you have a 5 day window after infection to get
on it for it to be effective.

Yeah, we got an Rx for Tamiflu early on (last season) and filled it
(inexpensive). MD said, \"If you think you may be coming down with
flu or covid, take the meds. If you get better, it was the flu.\"
He\'s smart enough to know that getting an appointment to see him AND
getting the Rx AND getting it filled in that short window of
effectiveness would be unrealistic.

Paxlovid also seems to have a rebound effect that doesn\'t manifest
with the vaccine.

> I bet the pharmacists love that, as if they don\'t already have a ton of work to do.

I went for my latest booster at a local pharmacy. The line of people
looking for service (boosters, Rxs, etc.) was insane! Typically, one
or two people ahead of you but 5 or 6 on that visit. One woman just
walked away, rather than wait.

But, there seems to be a lot of overhead (paperwork?) at pharmacies that
you would think would be streamlined. As if there is still too much being
done manually (copying information from one form to another, etc. Ever
heard of a scanner? Oh, you\'re going to scan my Rx into your system -- but
it\'s just going to capture an IMAGE of the document; you\'re still going to
have to type in all of the information that it contained, BY HAND??)

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 4:54:37 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:

On 9/3/2022 8:16 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 5:10:05 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:

We\'ve seen several friends come down with covid who had escaped it,
previously -- each admitting to having let down their guard.

[Typical case seems to be a week/10 days of illness followed by
several weeks of extreme fatigue. Isn\'t it wonderful to lose a month
of your \"lifestyle\" and receive nothing in return?]
I believe the \"uptake\" estimates are in the 30-70% range.
Oh, all of the folks I know who\'ve come down with it are in the
\"double-boosted\" group. They just decided they were now \"safe\".

And, tired of taking precautions.

\"I hope that dinner was worth it?!\"

\"What dinner?\"

\"Whichever one that exposed you to the virus. Two, three hours
sitting around, having drinks, etc. Followed, eventually, by
a week of illness and a month of debilitating fatigue. Yup,
must have been a REALLY GOOD meal!\"

They\'re double boosted for the original strain and not the Omicron. The vaccines are only showing about 25% (IIRC) effectiveness in preventing infection by Omicron- things only get worse with age. When they\'re immunized with the new bivalent vaccine, they\'ll have 90%+ protection again and shouldn\'t get sick.

People are just losing interest in the whole \"COVID thing.\"
Of course. Hard to remain vigilant for long periods of time.
I pity the folks who have to *work* through this! (folks I
know are all retired so they *could* limit their exposure...
but got tired of \"denying themselves\" certain pleasures)
Seems the vaccine will be a lot easier than going on Paxlovid.
Remarkably the FDA authorized pharmacists to prescribe the drug,
the reason being you have a 5 day window after infection to get
on it for it to be effective.
Yeah, we got an Rx for Tamiflu early on (last season) and filled it
(inexpensive). MD said, \"If you think you may be coming down with
flu or covid, take the meds. If you get better, it was the flu.\"
He\'s smart enough to know that getting an appointment to see him AND
getting the Rx AND getting it filled in that short window of
effectiveness would be unrealistic.

Exactly.

Paxlovid also seems to have a rebound effect that doesn\'t manifest
with the vaccine.

Yep- paxlovid is a very strong antiviral. It consists of a Pfizer intro protease inhibitor in combination with the older ritonavir. Ritonavir inhibits liver secretion of P450 (CYP) 3A4 which otherwise would metabolize the protease inhibitor to the point of ineffective blood plasma concentrations. The protease inhibitor prevents the replicating virus from encapsulating the newly formed virus with its necessary protein, making them worthless non-viable particles. So the whole idea is to stop any and all virus replication to give the host a chance to develop their own antibody immunity.
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ritonavir-boosted-nirmatrelvir--paxlovid-/
Needless to say the drug is borderline toxic and you can only be on it for a limited time (looks like 5 days). By the time you rebound you should have enough natural defense to handle it. It\'s working okay for the people who really need it.
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ritonavir-boosted-nirmatrelvir--paxlovid-/
Seems they could do better with the drug development but the time factor must have really limited their options.

I bet the pharmacists love that, as if they don\'t already have a ton of work to do.
I went for my latest booster at a local pharmacy. The line of people
looking for service (boosters, Rxs, etc.) was insane! Typically, one
or two people ahead of you but 5 or 6 on that visit. One woman just
walked away, rather than wait.

But, there seems to be a lot of overhead (paperwork?) at pharmacies that
you would think would be streamlined. As if there is still too much being
done manually (copying information from one form to another, etc. Ever
heard of a scanner? Oh, you\'re going to scan my Rx into your system -- but
it\'s just going to capture an IMAGE of the document; you\'re still going to
have to type in all of the information that it contained, BY HAND??)

You might look into a different pharmacy. Don\'t they let you make appointments? If the pharmacy is not working for you the local public health operation should be able to accommodate you by appointment.

 

[Ricky]

On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 12:23:55 PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 10:44:04 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 06:17:51 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

The U.S. has 200 million doses on order. They\'re really taking the anticipated fall/ winter surge seriously here. Anyone for whom their latest COVID vaccination is two months or more prior is eligible for the booster.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-moderna-pfizer-biontech-bivalent-covid-19-vaccines-use

Looks like the clunky viral vector vaccines, AstraZeneca, are not even a consideration any more, in the first world anyway.

Interestingly, Moderna is suing Pfizer/BioNTech for in effect stealing their mRNA technology. The industry news reports are that this is a non-event type of thing that always happens with newly introduced technology.
Nobody cares much about covid any more. The news shrieking has
switched back to Climate Change with a side of monkeypox.
7-day average daily US deaths due to COVID was 549 on Sept 1.

Monkeypox recently killed one person in Houston.

Climate change will dwarf those numbers.

But not in our lifetimes. We are free to make any predictions about climate change that we wish and will not be proven wrong in our lifetimes. It will be our children and our children\'s children who have to pay the piper. In this way it is like nuclear power.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Don Y]

On 9/3/2022 3:31 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

Oh, all of the folks I know who\'ve come down with it are in the
\"double-boosted\" group. They just decided they were now \"safe\".

And, tired of taking precautions.

\"I hope that dinner was worth it?!\"

\"What dinner?\"

\"Whichever one that exposed you to the virus. Two, three hours sitting
around, having drinks, etc. Followed, eventually, by a week of illness and
a month of debilitating fatigue. Yup, must have been a REALLY GOOD meal!\"

They\'re double boosted for the original strain and not the Omicron. The
vaccines are only showing about 25% (IIRC) effectiveness in preventing
infection by Omicron- things only get worse with age. When they\'re immunized
with the new bivalent vaccine, they\'ll have 90%+ protection again and
shouldn\'t get sick.

Exactly. And, they *know* (knew?) this -- yet opted to delude themselves
into thinking \"all is well, we can resume our previous lifestyle\".

Surprise!

Seems the vaccine will be a lot easier than going on Paxlovid.
Remarkably the FDA authorized pharmacists to prescribe the drug, the
reason being you have a 5 day window after infection to get on it for it
to be effective.
Yeah, we got an Rx for Tamiflu early on (last season) and filled it
(inexpensive). MD said, \"If you think you may be coming down with flu or
covid, take the meds. If you get better, it was the flu.\" He\'s smart
enough to know that getting an appointment to see him AND getting the Rx
AND getting it filled in that short window of effectiveness would be
unrealistic.

Exactly.

But, many don\'t think that far ahead (and, will later grumble when they have
to wait two weeks for an appointment with their provider).

Or, aren\'t able to buy a medicine that they might never use.

I bet the pharmacists love that, as if they don\'t already have a ton of
work to do.
I went for my latest booster at a local pharmacy. The line of people
looking for service (boosters, Rxs, etc.) was insane! Typically, one or
two people ahead of you but 5 or 6 on that visit. One woman just walked
away, rather than wait.

But, there seems to be a lot of overhead (paperwork?) at pharmacies that
you would think would be streamlined. As if there is still too much being
done manually (copying information from one form to another, etc. Ever
heard of a scanner? Oh, you\'re going to scan my Rx into your system --
but it\'s just going to capture an IMAGE of the document; you\'re still
going to have to type in all of the information that it contained, BY
HAND??)

You might look into a different pharmacy. Don\'t they let you make
appointments? If the pharmacy is not working for you the local public
health operation should be able to accommodate you by appointment.

Certain pharmacies carry certain boosters. So, while there may be
three within a 2 mile radius of our front door, I may have to opt for
a fourth some distance away.

Or, \"settle\" for whatever they have at the nearer locations.

*I* never have to wait; I make an appointment and show up with paperwork
already filled out. (They still have to transcribe some of this which
I think is daft).

[The same sort of paperwork issue exists at many doctors\' offices.
Really? You couldn\'t send me a fillable PDF instead of a photocopied,
hand-drawn form from the 60\'s? (I just converted some forms into
fillable PDFs that SWMBO needs for her new provider -- old guy retired.
Sadly, THEY won\'t benefit from that effort -- other than allowing for
increased legibility; it does nothing to reduce their data entry tasks!)]

The technician walks out, escorts me to a privacy booth, jabs my arm,
tosses the sharp in a container that he\'s carried into the booth and
we\'re done.

[I am always sorely tempted to scream out in pain, just to rattle the
folks OUTSIDE the booth -- but, have resisted the temptation. :> ]

But, \"normal pharmacy operations\" continue *around* this activity.
Does the loss of one technician\'s time make THAT much of a difference
on their throughput?

LOOK at any pharmacy that you visit. Lots of people, lots of activity,
but very low throughput!

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:35:12 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:

On 9/3/2022 3:31 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

Oh, all of the folks I know who\'ve come down with it are in the
\"double-boosted\" group. They just decided they were now \"safe\".

And, tired of taking precautions.

\"I hope that dinner was worth it?!\"

\"What dinner?\"

\"Whichever one that exposed you to the virus. Two, three hours sitting
around, having drinks, etc. Followed, eventually, by a week of illness and
a month of debilitating fatigue. Yup, must have been a REALLY GOOD meal!\"

They\'re double boosted for the original strain and not the Omicron. The
vaccines are only showing about 25% (IIRC) effectiveness in preventing
infection by Omicron- things only get worse with age. When they\'re immunized
with the new bivalent vaccine, they\'ll have 90%+ protection again and
shouldn\'t get sick.
Exactly. And, they *know* (knew?) this -- yet opted to delude themselves
into thinking \"all is well, we can resume our previous lifestyle\".

Surprise!
Seems the vaccine will be a lot easier than going on Paxlovid.
Remarkably the FDA authorized pharmacists to prescribe the drug, the
reason being you have a 5 day window after infection to get on it for it
to be effective.
Yeah, we got an Rx for Tamiflu early on (last season) and filled it
(inexpensive). MD said, \"If you think you may be coming down with flu or
covid, take the meds. If you get better, it was the flu.\" He\'s smart
enough to know that getting an appointment to see him AND getting the Rx
AND getting it filled in that short window of effectiveness would be
unrealistic.

Exactly.
But, many don\'t think that far ahead (and, will later grumble when they have
to wait two weeks for an appointment with their provider).

Or, aren\'t able to buy a medicine that they might never use.
I bet the pharmacists love that, as if they don\'t already have a ton of
work to do.
I went for my latest booster at a local pharmacy. The line of people
looking for service (boosters, Rxs, etc.) was insane! Typically, one or
two people ahead of you but 5 or 6 on that visit. One woman just walked
away, rather than wait.

But, there seems to be a lot of overhead (paperwork?) at pharmacies that
you would think would be streamlined. As if there is still too much being
done manually (copying information from one form to another, etc. Ever
heard of a scanner? Oh, you\'re going to scan my Rx into your system --
but it\'s just going to capture an IMAGE of the document; you\'re still
going to have to type in all of the information that it contained, BY
HAND??)

You might look into a different pharmacy. Don\'t they let you make
appointments? If the pharmacy is not working for you the local public
health operation should be able to accommodate you by appointment.
Certain pharmacies carry certain boosters. So, while there may be
three within a 2 mile radius of our front door, I may have to opt for
a fourth some distance away.

Or, \"settle\" for whatever they have at the nearer locations.

*I* never have to wait; I make an appointment and show up with paperwork
already filled out. (They still have to transcribe some of this which
I think is daft).

[The same sort of paperwork issue exists at many doctors\' offices.
Really? You couldn\'t send me a fillable PDF instead of a photocopied,
hand-drawn form from the 60\'s? (I just converted some forms into
fillable PDFs that SWMBO needs for her new provider -- old guy retired.
Sadly, THEY won\'t benefit from that effort -- other than allowing for
increased legibility; it does nothing to reduce their data entry tasks!)]

The technician walks out, escorts me to a privacy booth, jabs my arm,
tosses the sharp in a container that he\'s carried into the booth and
we\'re done.

[I am always sorely tempted to scream out in pain, just to rattle the
folks OUTSIDE the booth -- but, have resisted the temptation. :> ]

But, \"normal pharmacy operations\" continue *around* this activity.
Does the loss of one technician\'s time make THAT much of a difference
on their throughput?

LOOK at any pharmacy that you visit. Lots of people, lots of activity,
but very low throughput!

Look for a pharmacy that has a more complete online presence. All the check-in paperwork is completed online, you don\'t have to do much more than roll up your sleeve when you get there. The whole process never takes more than a few minutes. Bringing your CDC vaccination card for the COVID series speeds things up a lot. They will update the card.

 

[Don Y]

On 9/3/2022 7:58 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

Look for a pharmacy that has a more complete online presence. All the
check-in paperwork is completed online, you don\'t have to do much more than
roll up your sleeve when you get there. The whole process never takes more
than a few minutes. Bringing your CDC vaccination card for the COVID series
speeds things up a lot. They will update the card.

Yes, I fill out all of the paperwork, on-line, when setting up the
appointment:
\"I make an appointment and show up with paperwork already filled out.\"
So, what the hell are they typing? Why isn\'t it just *prove* who you are
and verify the time of the appointment?

Initial vaccination they had nice little stickers to apply to the vaccination
card. Now, they just scribble something wherever they can find room (on the
BACK!)

The same sort of \"busywork\" occurs when picking up an Rx.

They know *who* I am (because I called with an Rx number to be refilled).
They know what the medication is, the dosage, the warnings, etc.
*THEY* PRINTED THE LABEL FOR THE BOTTLE!
Why isn\'t it just \"present ID, pay, accept product, leave\"?

It should be easier/quicker than going through the drive-thru at MickyD\'s
(cuz THEY don\'t, yet, know what you\'re ordering)!