Laser Shooting Eye Injury While Sleeping -1/28/04

[news2020]

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:03:01 -0800
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Eye Injury By Laser Shooting While Sleeping - 1/28/04 - pic1

Eye Injury By Laser Shooting While Sleeping - 1/28/04 - pic2

< pictures not included because the server is giving an error and not
forwarding it even though the pictures are quite small and should be no
problem. >


The two pictures above show the eye injury inflicted by laser shots
directly
to my eye, most probably from #1051 McKay Drive chimney laser box while
sleeping last night. It is an extremely powerful and pin-point accurate
laser. I have felt its shots right through my head, heart, etc.many many

times.

This is only one small example of what has been going on for well over 2
1/2
years in full view of everyone including the police. Prior to that, I
believe this kind of activity has been going on ever since the 80's and
90's
at least.

supreme4007 wrote:

I have been trying to post my eye injury pictures for some time now.
The NS Message center or some filtering is blocking the post even
though
the pictures are fairly small and should pose no problems.

I have been facing all these kinds of network hangs continuously
breaking the communications several times already requiring entire
overhauls of my system several times. For example, one silly
disruption
they have poked in is to disable copy and paste within my windows.
When
I go to the paste window with the copied text or items, the 'Copy'
button in the paste window automatically activates, thereby causing a
blank to overwrite the copied material.

This kind of silly disruption is enough to damage the entire
communication and anyone's ability to use the internet.

The juvenile delinquents are being allowed to rampage with the full
approval of the older ones who are suprevising them.

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:54:29 -0800, news2020 <user121@peoplepc.com>
wrote:

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:03:01 -0800
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Message-ID: <40181575.509BD1E7@peoplepc.com


Eye Injury By Laser Shooting While Sleeping - 1/28/04 - pic1

Eye Injury By Laser Shooting While Sleeping - 1/28/04 - pic2

pictures not included because the server is giving an error and not
forwarding it even though the pictures are quite small and should be no
problem.

---
Don't you know that you're being watched and that your ablity to post
photographic materials has been curtailed in order to keep your
credibility low? That is, if you were actually _allowed_ to post photos
someone might think you were telling the truth. Can't allow that to
happen...
---

The two pictures above show the eye injury inflicted by laser shots
directly
to my eye, most probably from #1051 McKay Drive chimney laser box while
sleeping last night. It is an extremely powerful and pin-point accurate
laser. I have felt its shots right through my head, heart, etc.many many

times.

This is only one small example of what has been going on for well over 2
1/2
years in full view of everyone including the police. Prior to that, I
believe this kind of activity has been going on ever since the 80's and
90's
at least.

---
At least.

You're a dangerous man and you must be kept down, don'tcha know...

--
John Fields

 

[Dave Holford]

Don't you realize that you are a test subject?

A small number of people have been carefully chosen to evaluate their
tolerance to this type of interference with their lives. This data is
being gathered by a scouting force of extraterestrials to determine how
best to subjugate the human population when the main force arrives.

Hang in there, you could be the saviour of the entire human race.

Dave



news2020 wrote:

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:03:01 -0800
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Message-ID: <40181575.509BD1E7@peoplepc.com

Eye Injury By Laser Shooting While Sleeping - 1/28/04 - pic1

Eye Injury By Laser Shooting While Sleeping - 1/28/04 - pic2

pictures not included because the server is giving an error and not
forwarding it even though the pictures are quite small and should be no
problem.

The two pictures above show the eye injury inflicted by laser shots
directly
to my eye, most probably from #1051 McKay Drive chimney laser box while
sleeping last night. It is an extremely powerful and pin-point accurate
laser. I have felt its shots right through my head, heart, etc.many many

times.

This is only one small example of what has been going on for well over 2
1/2
years in full view of everyone including the police. Prior to that, I
believe this kind of activity has been going on ever since the 80's and
90's
at least.

supreme4007 wrote:

I have been trying to post my eye injury pictures for some time now.
The NS Message center or some filtering is blocking the post even
though
the pictures are fairly small and should pose no problems.

I have been facing all these kinds of network hangs continuously
breaking the communications several times already requiring entire
overhauls of my system several times. For example, one silly
disruption
they have poked in is to disable copy and paste within my windows.
When
I go to the paste window with the copied text or items, the 'Copy'
button in the paste window automatically activates, thereby causing a
blank to overwrite the copied material.

This kind of silly disruption is enough to damage the entire
communication and anyone's ability to use the internet.

The juvenile delinquents are being allowed to rampage with the full
approval of the older ones who are suprevising them.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:54:29 -0800, news2020 <user121@peoplepc.com>
wrote:

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:03:01 -0800
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Message-ID: <40181575.509BD1E7@peoplepc.com


Eye Injury By Laser Shooting While Sleeping - 1/28/04 - pic1

Eye Injury By Laser Shooting While Sleeping - 1/28/04 - pic2

Hey, welcome back! Where ya been?

Oh, you can't post images to s.e.d.; actually, nobody can.

Get some Maxidex, opthalmic steroid; it's great for eye irritations.

John

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

John Larkin wrote:

Oh, you can't post images to s.e.d.; actually, nobody can.

Not through Supernews. They filter all binaries from non binariy
newsgroups, like they are supposed to.

Get some Maxidex, opthalmic steroid; it's great for eye irritations.

John

--
We now return you to our normally scheduled programming.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Frithiof Andreas Jensen]

"news2020" <user121@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:03:01 -0800
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to my eye, most probably from #1051 McKay Drive chimney laser box while
sleeping last night. It is an extremely powerful and pin-point accurate
laser.

Actually, it is not a laser per se, it is a Hoechst Life Sciences GMBH
NanoTech Programming Unit designed to upload the correct software to the
swarm of nanomachines slowly attaching themselves to the dendrites inside
your brain, gradually replacing all sensory inputs with a programme-directed
reality.

It needs to be powerful to activate the molecular sensory clusters on the
nanomachines - and it is not a production unit yet, so there may be some
side effects. With the passage of time the unpleasant sensations will go
away.....

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Frithiof Andreas Jensen <frithiof.
jensen@removethis.ted.ericsson.dk> wrote (in <bvb8vo$kgo$1@newstree.wise
..edt.ericsson.se&gt about 'Laser Shooting Eye Injury While Sleeping -
1/28/04', on Thu, 29 Jan 2004:

With the passage of time the unpleasant sensations
will go away.....

With the passage of time, all sensations will go away.

If his assailants were as wicked as he claims, they would terminate him
in his own ohm and move on. Clearly, what is happening is that an
advanced curative therapy is being applied by a clandestine
philanthropic organization, probably International Rescue.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Brad Albing]

If his assailants were as wicked as he claims, they would terminate him
in his own ohm and move on.

[Star Trek mode]
Ergo, "resistance is futile."
[/Star Trek mode]

[Monty Python mode]
Or possible, "Resistance is feudal," as in "'Elp, 'elp, I'm bein'
repressed!"
[/Monty Python mode]

Clearly, what is happening is that an
advanced curative therapy is being applied by a clandestine
philanthropic organization, probably International Rescue.

Hmmm... initials are IR -- where have I seen those initials before...?

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:32:34 +0100, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
<frithiof.jensen@removethis.ted.ericsson.dk> wrote:

"news2020" <user121@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:40183DA5.BA3A76E4@peoplepc.com...
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:03:01 -0800
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Message-ID: <40181575.509BD1E7@peoplepc.com



to my eye, most probably from #1051 McKay Drive chimney laser box while
sleeping last night. It is an extremely powerful and pin-point accurate
laser.

Actually, it is not a laser per se, it is a Hoechst Life Sciences GMBH
NanoTech Programming Unit designed to upload the correct software to the
swarm of nanomachines slowly attaching themselves to the dendrites inside
your brain, gradually replacing all sensory inputs with a programme-directed
reality.

It needs to be powerful to activate the molecular sensory clusters on the
nanomachines - and it is not a production unit yet, so there may be some
side effects. With the passage of time the unpleasant sensations will go
away.....

Those damned utility-fog nanomotes are harder to get out of the
kitchen than fruit flies.

John

 

[Tim Shoppa]

news2020 <user121@peoplepc.com> wrote in message news:<40183DA5.BA3A76E4@peoplepc.com>...

Eye Injury By Laser Shooting While Sleeping - 1/28/04 - pic1

Like the warning sticker says:

DO NOT LOOK DIRECTLY INTO LASER WITH REMAINING GOOD EYE

Tim.

 

[Mike]

I CANT BELIEVE IT!!
The same thing happened to me! I wasn't sure what was happening at first..
But when I saw the light right through my eyelids while I was sleeping I was
sure something was amiss!
It is so good to know that I was not imagining this>
I am now going to continue my development of a reflective set of sleeping
masks to finally get a good night sleep

"news2020" <user121@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:40183DA5.BA3A76E4@peoplepc.com...

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:03:01 -0800
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Message-ID: <40181575.509BD1E7@peoplepc.com


Eye Injury By Laser Shooting While Sleeping - 1/28/04 - pic1

Eye Injury By Laser Shooting While Sleeping - 1/28/04 - pic2

pictures not included because the server is giving an error and not
forwarding it even though the pictures are quite small and should be no
problem.


The two pictures above show the eye injury inflicted by laser shots
directly
to my eye, most probably from #1051 McKay Drive chimney laser box while
sleeping last night. It is an extremely powerful and pin-point accurate
laser. I have felt its shots right through my head, heart, etc.many many

times.

This is only one small example of what has been going on for well over 2
1/2
years in full view of everyone including the police. Prior to that, I
believe this kind of activity has been going on ever since the 80's and
90's
at least.

supreme4007 wrote:

I have been trying to post my eye injury pictures for some time now.
The NS Message center or some filtering is blocking the post even
though
the pictures are fairly small and should pose no problems.

I have been facing all these kinds of network hangs continuously
breaking the communications several times already requiring entire
overhauls of my system several times. For example, one silly
disruption
they have poked in is to disable copy and paste within my windows.
When
I go to the paste window with the copied text or items, the 'Copy'
button in the paste window automatically activates, thereby causing a
blank to overwrite the copied material.

This kind of silly disruption is enough to damage the entire
communication and anyone's ability to use the internet.

The juvenile delinquents are being allowed to rampage with the full
approval of the older ones who are suprevising them.

 

[DJ Bartlett]

I have a close friend who has been experiencing a protracted
hypo-manic/manic episode since about November which includes some behavior
that seems fairly sensible, until you find out the motivation:

He has apparently been hired by some clandestine government agency to write
a book (which he WANTS to do anyway - it's actually pretty good so far -
funny as hell). The interesting part about it is that I'm fairly certain
that this particular "delusion" is not a symptom of the manic episode, but
is a romantic notion that this guy has ALL THE TIME, but generally doesn't
talk about as much as he has been lately - that his father was doing some
sort of intelligence work during the year that he lived in Russia a few
years ago.

Since his father is a journalist of some caliber, I tend to consider that
not very far off the mark, functionally speaking, though it seems pretty
unlikely, and sort of pointless to speculate on, in any case.

I am almost positive that this friend of mine (we'll call him Paul) had a
fairly major series of hallucinations about two weeks ago, and developed
several relatively minor delusions to lend some sense of reality to what he
had experienced.

The delusions are fairly benign. For instance, he believes that he can play
the piano beautifully, suddenly, and with no training or anything. He also
sees Ford F-10's all over the place, and firmly believes that the people
inside are watching HIM, and are armed, but are working for the same
"agency," so it just makes him nervous and overly self-conscious, and
extremely hard to understand in a conversation until the model that he holds
has been properly explained.

He does not believe that this agency is exactly malicious in its intent
toward him, but that it could be dangerous in some situations, and he is not
at all sure which situations might cause it to turn on him. Naturally that
makes him more than a little tense.

The difficult part of the whole episode, is that Paul is having an amazingly
hard time getting any sleep at all, and is almost totally incapable of
sitting still for very long, so he's pretty much impossible to continually
keep tabs on, and is, of course, driving his fiance (who, ironically, had
just started working on her psychology PhD in November) up the freakin'
wall.

I'm building him a fairly simple RF meter so he can be sure there aren't any
bugs in his apartment. He's convinced that there are. I'm not, but I'd
generally like to have a foundation to at least one side of the argument.
Better yet if both sides have even the tiniest toehold on the ledge that is
sanity and reality, eh?

Anyway, I have this kinda silly thing that I keep saying to everyone about
this kind of thing:

"Keep left foot firmly and flat on ground. With right foot, kick moon. Be
careful not to lose your shoe."

I think that sums up my opinion on the matter quite nicely, and it makes the
people who need most to laugh about it giggle a bit besides.

My favorite response to this fellow is the one that recommends a nice
anti-inflammatory for the person's eyes. It's humorous in the context, but
is actually pretty useful advice.

Funny, but useful - good - at least, in MY book it is.
DJ
Responses should be addressed to djb.spam@.spameGeniusLabs.com (all
instances of .spam should be removed before sending)

"Mike" <remove@pants.com> wrote in message
news:cKiSb.12226$QT7.10559@news01.roc.ny...

I CANT BELIEVE IT!!
The same thing happened to me! I wasn't sure what was happening at first..
But when I saw the light right through my eyelids while I was sleeping I
was
sure something was amiss!
It is so good to know that I was not imagining this
I am now going to continue my development of a reflective set of sleeping
masks to finally get a good night sleep

"news2020" <user121@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:40183DA5.BA3A76E4@peoplepc.com...
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:03:01 -0800
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Message-ID: <40181575.509BD1E7@peoplepc.com


Eye Injury By Laser Shooting While Sleeping - 1/28/04 - pic1

Eye Injury By Laser Shooting While Sleeping - 1/28/04 - pic2

pictures not included because the server is giving an error and not
forwarding it even though the pictures are quite small and should be no
problem.


The two pictures above show the eye injury inflicted by laser shots
directly
to my eye, most probably from #1051 McKay Drive chimney laser box while
sleeping last night. It is an extremely powerful and pin-point accurate
laser. I have felt its shots right through my head, heart, etc.many many

times.

This is only one small example of what has been going on for well over 2
1/2
years in full view of everyone including the police. Prior to that, I
believe this kind of activity has been going on ever since the 80's and
90's
at least.

supreme4007 wrote:

I have been trying to post my eye injury pictures for some time now.
The NS Message center or some filtering is blocking the post even
though
the pictures are fairly small and should pose no problems.

I have been facing all these kinds of network hangs continuously
breaking the communications several times already requiring entire
overhauls of my system several times. For example, one silly
disruption
they have poked in is to disable copy and paste within my windows.
When
I go to the paste window with the copied text or items, the 'Copy'
button in the paste window automatically activates, thereby causing a
blank to overwrite the copied material.

This kind of silly disruption is enough to damage the entire
communication and anyone's ability to use the internet.

The juvenile delinquents are being allowed to rampage with the full
approval of the older ones who are suprevising them.

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that DJ Bartlett <djb-
spam@eGeniusLabs.com> wrote (in <3fySb.7867$Ai6.1458@newssvr29.news.prod
igy.com&gt about 'Laser Shooting Eye Injury While Sleeping -1/28/04', on
Fri, 30 Jan 2004:

I am almost positive that this friend of mine (we'll call him Paul) had
a fairly major series of hallucinations about two weeks ago, and
developed several relatively minor delusions to lend some sense of
reality to what he had experienced.

Now, I am not a shrink, but those hallucinations and the inability to
sleep suggest to me something much more serious than hypomania. Is he
under properly-qualified treatment?
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Harry Conover]

"DJ Bartlett" <djb-spam@eGeniusLabs.com> wrote in message news:<3fySb.7867$Ai6.1458@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...

I have a close friend who has been experiencing a protracted
hypo-manic/manic episode since about November which includes some behavior
that seems fairly sensible, until you find out the motivation:

He has apparently been hired by some clandestine government agency to write
a book (which he WANTS to do anyway - it's actually pretty good so far -
funny as hell). The interesting part about it is that I'm fairly certain
that this particular "delusion" is not a symptom of the manic episode, but
is a romantic notion that this guy has ALL THE TIME, but generally doesn't
talk about as much as he has been lately - that his father was doing some
sort of intelligence work during the year that he lived in Russia a few
years ago.

Since his father is a journalist of some caliber, I tend to consider that
not very far off the mark, functionally speaking, though it seems pretty
unlikely, and sort of pointless to speculate on, in any case.

I am almost positive that this friend of mine (we'll call him Paul) had a
fairly major series of hallucinations about two weeks ago, and developed
several relatively minor delusions to lend some sense of reality to what he
had experienced.

The delusions are fairly benign. For instance, he believes that he can play
the piano beautifully, suddenly, and with no training or anything. He also
sees Ford F-10's all over the place, and firmly believes that the people
inside are watching HIM, and are armed, but are working for the same
"agency," so it just makes him nervous and overly self-conscious, and
extremely hard to understand in a conversation until the model that he holds
has been properly explained.

He does not believe that this agency is exactly malicious in its intent
toward him, but that it could be dangerous in some situations, and he is not
at all sure which situations might cause it to turn on him. Naturally that
makes him more than a little tense.

The difficult part of the whole episode, is that Paul is having an amazingly
hard time getting any sleep at all, and is almost totally incapable of
sitting still for very long, so he's pretty much impossible to continually
keep tabs on, and is, of course, driving his fiance (who, ironically, had
just started working on her psychology PhD in November) up the freakin'
wall.

I'm building him a fairly simple RF meter so he can be sure there aren't any
bugs in his apartment. He's convinced that there are. I'm not, but I'd
generally like to have a foundation to at least one side of the argument.
Better yet if both sides have even the tiniest toehold on the ledge that is
sanity and reality, eh?

Anyway, I have this kinda silly thing that I keep saying to everyone about
this kind of thing:

"Keep left foot firmly and flat on ground. With right foot, kick moon. Be
careful not to lose your shoe."

I think that sums up my opinion on the matter quite nicely, and it makes the
people who need most to laugh about it giggle a bit besides.

My favorite response to this fellow is the one that recommends a nice
anti-inflammatory for the person's eyes. It's humorous in the context, but
is actually pretty useful advice.

Funny, but useful - good - at least, in MY book it is.
DJ

DJ, I have to salute you for standing by your friend! Still, be very
careful.

For those of us who have lived a significant number of years, many
have had at least one friend in this category...I've known three at
various phases in my life.

In two of these cases, the result was a close friendship, at least for
a time as the following should make clear. Unfortunatly, sometimes a
simple delusional state can suddenly and without warning advance to a
serious psychosis, which can place you at some level of personal risk
or actual physical danger, as once happened to me. Unfortunately, not
being a psychiatrist I didn't see it coming until the local police
accompanied by the FBI came knocking at my door one evening. The
consequence was that my security clearance was temporarily placed on
hold until the matter was settled. Evidently in his confusion this
friend suddenly "realized" that I was some sort of a foreign agent who
was monitoring and spying on him, and dutifully had informed the local
FBI office.

It only took a day or two to clear the matter up, but until it was
cleared up I was sitting on pins and needles thinking that both my and
my family's livelyhood was about to vanish, even if I didn't go to
some federal prison!

One of the FBI investigators later suggested to me that in the future
I be a little more careful about the "type of people" that I
associated with. I took this as good, helpful, and well meaning
advice. I also receive a really spirited "Dutch Uncle Talk" from the
security manager of my company.

Today, my advice to anyone that comes into casual, social contact with
potentially unstable people would be to put as much distance as
possible between themselves and the person in question -- and do it
immediately.

Harry C.

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:27:59 GMT, "DJ Bartlett"
<djb-spam@eGeniusLabs.com> wrote:

He has apparently been hired by some clandestine government agency to write
a book (which he WANTS to do anyway - it's actually pretty good so far -
funny as hell). The interesting part about it is that I'm fairly certain
that this particular "delusion" is not a symptom of the manic episode, but
is a romantic notion that this guy has ALL THE TIME, but generally doesn't
talk about as much as he has been lately - that his father was doing some
sort of intelligence work during the year that he lived in Russia a few
years ago.

We have a close friend whose father was a blacklisted-commie Hollywood
screenwriter (he did The Dirty Dozen and a bunch of similar stuff) who
was kinda nutty to start with. But when he was working on a script, he
*became* the various characters he was trying to write about, and the
scenes around the dinner table were, as I hear it, very strange.

My favorite response to this fellow is the one that recommends a nice
anti-inflammatory for the person's eyes. It's humorous in the context, but
is actually pretty useful advice.

I occasionally get iritus, an autoimmune inflammation of the eye, and
I can see how it might make a person crabby. The Maxidex stuff knocks
it right out.

John

 

[DJ Bartlett]

He is (sort of). His fiancé got him to go speak with a psychiatrist that
works where she interns, last week, and this fellow prescribed a fairly
powerful anti-psychotic as a "sleep aid." The specific name slips my mind at
present...

He is much calmer, the last few days, and seems pleased enough with the
effects to have asked if he could see the doctor again and possibly renew
the prescription, although he is fairly certainly still a little delusional.

He's starting to become a little less outspoken about it, though, which is
where I'm pretty sure, the boy-o actually lives normally. He is
extraordinarily high functioning in general. Not at all quite a wack-job,
though certainly eccentric, and fairly driven.

Then again, that describes me pretty well also.

The people at the crisis care unit (which is where his fiancé interns) seem
to agree with the description of hypo-manic with occasional forays into
technical mania, and would generally consider him type-one (I think,
although I'm not certain right now) bipolar, although he does not actually
experience any associated depression.

Everyone pretty much agrees that this is an unusual case, in general. But
then "Paul" is kind of an unusual guy. heh. There's definitely a fair amount
of interest in how it turns out.


"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:XOGwVOFXCtGAFwYH@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

I read in sci.electronics.design that DJ Bartlett <djb-
spam@eGeniusLabs.com> wrote (in <3fySb.7867$Ai6.1458@newssvr29.news.prod
igy.com&gt about 'Laser Shooting Eye Injury While Sleeping -1/28/04', on
Fri, 30 Jan 2004:

I am almost positive that this friend of mine (we'll call him Paul) had
a fairly major series of hallucinations about two weeks ago, and
developed several relatively minor delusions to lend some sense of
reality to what he had experienced.

Now, I am not a shrink, but those hallucinations and the inability to
sleep suggest to me something much more serious than hypomania. Is he
under properly-qualified treatment?
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[DJ Bartlett]

I owe this guy too many favors for that.

I would, however, sacrifice my friendship and certainly a share of safety to
help keep him from seriously damaging himself or anyone else while in a
state like this. It is not a normal state, but he is undoubtedly still in
there, and could definitely use a little assistance from time to time.

I was very seriously considering intentionally getting him riled up to the
point of becoming dangerous, just so he could be detained and sedated
against his will for a couple of days. Definitely a scary thought, honestly.
I highly doubt that he would ever forgive me for a stunt like that.

Frankly, I flat out disagree about your advice for distance. If he ever WERE
to become suddenly dangerous, I am one of the few that would be expecting
it, and ready to respond, and that could be the difference between some
random person's (or "Paul's" for that matter) life or death. I can't, in
good conscience wash my hands so easily of a situation like this.

Besides, he is observably less adversarial toward me than practically anyone
else around him, and my presence has more than once defused a hotheaded bout
of fisticuffs or worse with someone not willing to take random shit from
anyone. My friend could definitely NOT de-escalate such situations on his
own some days, but he's not quite willing to go through me bodily to
escalate either.

FWIW, I am aware of my own personal danger, and wouldn't blame anyone
really, if anything unfortunate happened to me. I am making my choices
willingly and rationally. I am positive that my presence serves far more
effectively to ward such bad luck OFF than to attract it.

It's been 10 years since I had a security clearance to worry about, and I am
pretty clear that I WOULD hurt him, if necessary, to keep myself safe, but
that is something that I, for one, would strongly prefer NOT to have to do,
and it has so far never really been necessary to even consider such a thing.

I stand a MUCH better chance of convincing him to seek some sort of treatmen
t, or at least avoid poor choices of behavior, when I stand within earshot
of him, and speak as a friend, than from a hiding place behind a table or
not in the area at all. Retreating from the situation doesn't really seem
too productive, all things considered.

I couldn't imagine just expecting him to sort it out entirely by himself,
and there NOT being some sort of unnecessary trouble as a result. He is,
after all, not entirely rational, at times.

I do appreciate the sentiment, though. He is capable of fairly destructive
behavior, and might not be so far away from violence at any moment, and it
is probably wise for me to keep that in mind.

I do. But thanks for your concern.


"Harry Conover" <hhc314@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"DJ Bartlett" <djb-spam@eGeniusLabs.com> wrote in message
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I have a close friend who has been experiencing a protracted
hypo-manic/manic episode since about November which includes some
behavior
that seems fairly sensible, until you find out the motivation:

He has apparently been hired by some clandestine government agency to
write
a book (which he WANTS to do anyway - it's actually pretty good so far -
funny as hell). The interesting part about it is that I'm fairly certain
that this particular "delusion" is not a symptom of the manic episode,
but
is a romantic notion that this guy has ALL THE TIME, but generally
doesn't
talk about as much as he has been lately - that his father was doing
some
sort of intelligence work during the year that he lived in Russia a few
years ago.

Since his father is a journalist of some caliber, I tend to consider
that
not very far off the mark, functionally speaking, though it seems pretty
unlikely, and sort of pointless to speculate on, in any case.

I am almost positive that this friend of mine (we'll call him Paul) had
a
fairly major series of hallucinations about two weeks ago, and developed
several relatively minor delusions to lend some sense of reality to what
he
had experienced.

The delusions are fairly benign. For instance, he believes that he can
play
the piano beautifully, suddenly, and with no training or anything. He
also
sees Ford F-10's all over the place, and firmly believes that the people
inside are watching HIM, and are armed, but are working for the same
"agency," so it just makes him nervous and overly self-conscious, and
extremely hard to understand in a conversation until the model that he
holds
has been properly explained.

He does not believe that this agency is exactly malicious in its intent
toward him, but that it could be dangerous in some situations, and he is
not
at all sure which situations might cause it to turn on him. Naturally
that
makes him more than a little tense.

The difficult part of the whole episode, is that Paul is having an
amazingly
hard time getting any sleep at all, and is almost totally incapable of
sitting still for very long, so he's pretty much impossible to
continually
keep tabs on, and is, of course, driving his fiance (who, ironically,
had
just started working on her psychology PhD in November) up the freakin'
wall.

I'm building him a fairly simple RF meter so he can be sure there aren't
any
bugs in his apartment. He's convinced that there are. I'm not, but I'd
generally like to have a foundation to at least one side of the
argument.
Better yet if both sides have even the tiniest toehold on the ledge that
is
sanity and reality, eh?

Anyway, I have this kinda silly thing that I keep saying to everyone
about
this kind of thing:

"Keep left foot firmly and flat on ground. With right foot, kick moon.
Be
careful not to lose your shoe."

I think that sums up my opinion on the matter quite nicely, and it makes
the
people who need most to laugh about it giggle a bit besides.

My favorite response to this fellow is the one that recommends a nice
anti-inflammatory for the person's eyes. It's humorous in the context,
but
is actually pretty useful advice.

Funny, but useful - good - at least, in MY book it is.
DJ

DJ, I have to salute you for standing by your friend! Still, be very
careful.

For those of us who have lived a significant number of years, many
have had at least one friend in this category...I've known three at
various phases in my life.

In two of these cases, the result was a close friendship, at least for
a time as the following should make clear. Unfortunatly, sometimes a
simple delusional state can suddenly and without warning advance to a
serious psychosis, which can place you at some level of personal risk
or actual physical danger, as once happened to me. Unfortunately, not
being a psychiatrist I didn't see it coming until the local police
accompanied by the FBI came knocking at my door one evening. The
consequence was that my security clearance was temporarily placed on
hold until the matter was settled. Evidently in his confusion this
friend suddenly "realized" that I was some sort of a foreign agent who
was monitoring and spying on him, and dutifully had informed the local
FBI office.

It only took a day or two to clear the matter up, but until it was
cleared up I was sitting on pins and needles thinking that both my and
my family's livelyhood was about to vanish, even if I didn't go to
some federal prison!

One of the FBI investigators later suggested to me that in the future
I be a little more careful about the "type of people" that I
associated with. I took this as good, helpful, and well meaning
advice. I also receive a really spirited "Dutch Uncle Talk" from the
security manager of my company.

Today, my advice to anyone that comes into casual, social contact with
potentially unstable people would be to put as much distance as
possible between themselves and the person in question -- and do it
immediately.

Harry C.