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[Don McKenzie]

Bernie Brookes, Myer:
If we can't beat them we will join them, Mr Brookes warned. We just want a level playing field. We will take jobs
offshore and we will ship product out of China through our internet site, it's a bloody shame.

Woolworths and Bunnings could follow Myer's plan to operate a website from China that takes orders from Australian
consumers as the sector grows increasingly angry over the leakage of sales to online stores.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/myer-floats-taxfree-website-20101203-18jt6.html

================================

I knew this would be their (large Retailers) next move.
The fed govt will have a look it, and completely stuff it up in their usual fashion.

Perhaps I should take bets on how badly they can stuff it up.

Cheers Don...

=======================


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[me here]

Don McKenzie wrote:

Bernie Brookes, Myer:
If we can't beat them we will join them, Mr Brookes warned. We just
want a level playing field. We will take jobs offshore and we will
ship product out of China through our internet site, it's a bloody
shame.

Woolworths and Bunnings could follow Myer's plan to operate a website
from China that takes orders from Australian consumers as the sector
grows increasingly angry over the leakage of sales to online stores.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/myer-floats-taxfree-website-20101203-18
jt6.html

================================

I knew this would be their (large Retailers) next move.
The fed govt will have a look it, and completely stuff it up in their
usual fashion.

Perhaps I should take bets on how badly they can stuff it up.

Cheers Don...

=======================

The Govt has already stated it has no intention of changing and and
sees no need to change the current $1K limit.

It's about time these big players realized the world isn't going to
move just for them to rip off the community.

Can't believe it took them this long to catch on to o/seas marketing.
After all, if they can avoid tax these big companys will do whatever it
takes in any other situation.

Bunch of hypocrites.
--

 

[keithr]

On 6/12/2010 6:38 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Bernie Brookes, Myer:
If we can't beat them we will join them, Mr Brookes warned. We just want
a level playing field. We will take jobs offshore and we will ship
product out of China through our internet site, it's a bloody shame.

Woolworths and Bunnings could follow Myer's plan to operate a website
from China that takes orders from Australian consumers as the sector
grows increasingly angry over the leakage of sales to online stores.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/myer-floats-taxfree-website-20101203-18jt6.html


================================

I knew this would be their (large Retailers) next move.
The fed govt will have a look it, and completely stuff it up in their
usual fashion.

Perhaps I should take bets on how badly they can stuff it up.

Cheers Don...

=======================


I can see Myers selling some stuff that way but Woolies and Bunnings? I

suspect that the milk may be off by the time it arrives from HK, and
shipping a few metres of 4x2 would surely out weigh the cost of GST.

Buying small high value items from overseas makes sense, but with
anything if any size, the shipping quickly becomes prohibitive, eg I
searched on the web for a 24" monitor, up popped one from Amazon at a
reasonable but not spectacular price, but the shipping as more than the
item concerned and more than I could buy the item here in Oz.

 

[me here]

keithr wrote:

On 6/12/2010 6:38 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
Bernie Brookes, Myer:
If we can't beat them we will join them, Mr Brookes warned. We just
want a level playing field. We will take jobs offshore and we will
ship product out of China through our internet site, it's a bloody
shame.

Woolworths and Bunnings could follow Myer's plan to operate a
website from China that takes orders from Australian consumers as
the sector grows increasingly angry over the leakage of sales to
online stores.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/myer-floats-taxfree-website-20101203-
18jt6.html


================================

I knew this would be their (large Retailers) next move.
The fed govt will have a look it, and completely stuff it up in
their usual fashion.

Perhaps I should take bets on how badly they can stuff it up.

Cheers Don...

=======================


I can see Myers selling some stuff that way but Woolies and Bunnings?
I suspect that the milk may be off by the time it arrives from HK,
and shipping a few metres of 4x2 would surely out weigh the cost of
GST.

Buying small high value items from overseas makes sense, but with
anything if any size, the shipping quickly becomes prohibitive, eg I
searched on the web for a 24" monitor, up popped one from Amazon at a
reasonable but not spectacular price, but the shipping as more than
the item concerned and more than I could buy the item here in Oz.

Yeah Gerry Norman was winging about lost plazma TV sales primarily, but
I can't see it happening.

Maybe they are trying to get the govt to stop MSY buying overseas and
reselling GST free in some way.

Do MSY put on GST? can't recall.

Anyway the Hardly Normal winge seemed a bit odd.

--

 

[Rod Speed]

keithr wrote

Don McKenzie wrote
Bernie Brookes, Myer

If we can't beat them we will join them, Mr Brookes warned. We just
want a level playing field. We will take jobs offshore and we will ship product out of China through our internet
site, it's a bloody shame.

Woolworths and Bunnings could follow Myer's plan to operate a website
from China that takes orders from Australian consumers as the sector
grows increasingly angry over the leakage of sales to online stores.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/myer-floats-taxfree-website-20101203-18jt6.html

================================

I knew this would be their (large Retailers) next move.
The fed govt will have a look it, and completely stuff it up in their
usual fashion.

Perhaps I should take bets on how badly they can stuff it up.

=======================

I can see Myers selling some stuff that way but Woolies and Bunnings?
I suspect that the milk may be off by the time it arrives from HK,

They're talking about BigW, not the grocery items.

and shipping a few metres of 4x2 would surely out weigh the cost of GST.

Bunnings flogs a hell of a lot more than just timber, much of it shipable.

Buying small high value items from overseas makes sense, but with
anything if any size, the shipping quickly becomes prohibitive, eg I
searched on the web for a 24" monitor, up popped one from Amazon at a reasonable but not spectacular price, but the
shipping as more than the item concerned and more than I could buy the item here in Oz.

Yeah, even with smaller stuff like bathroom scales.

Once it gets past the lowest weight class in the US, even USPS shipping at cost can be the main killer.

 

[Rob]

On 6/12/2010 1:27 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

keithr wrote
Don McKenzie wrote
Bernie Brookes, Myer


and shipping a few metres of 4x2 would surely out weigh the cost of GST.

Bunnings flogs a hell of a lot more than just timber, much of it shipable.

Buying small high value items from overseas makes sense, but with
anything if any size, the shipping quickly becomes prohibitive, eg I
searched on the web for a 24" monitor, up popped one from Amazon at a reasonable but not spectacular price, but the
shipping as more than the item concerned and more than I could buy the item here in Oz.

Yeah, even with smaller stuff like bathroom scales.

Once it gets past the lowest weight class in the US, even USPS shipping at cost can be the main killer.

See this

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/EPSON-T5966-Light-Magenta-7900-9900-Ink-350-ml-NEW-/160512745980
----- $139 incl freight.

best australian price is $204 if you buy a whole set, plus freight

and this

http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/Genuine-Epson-Stylus-Pro-7900-9900-WT7900-Ink-700ml-New-/180582204077
------ $260 including freight.

Aust - $352 plus freight.

Epson and the retailers have not passed on anything of the exchange rate.

 

[kreed]

On Dec 6, 10:34 am, keithr <kei...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

On 6/12/2010 6:38 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Bernie Brookes, Myer:
If we can't beat them we will join them, Mr Brookes warned. We just want
a level playing field. We will take jobs offshore and we will ship
product out of China through our internet site, it's a bloody shame.

Woolworths and Bunnings could follow Myer's plan to operate a website
from China that takes orders from Australian consumers as the sector
grows increasingly angry over the leakage of sales to online stores.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/myer-floats-taxfree-website-20101203-1...

===============================
I knew this would be their (large Retailers) next move.
The fed govt will have a look it, and completely stuff it up in their
usual fashion.

Perhaps I should take bets on how badly they can stuff it up.

Cheers Don...

======================
I can see Myers selling some stuff that way but Woolies and Bunnings? I
suspect that the milk may be off by the time it arrives from HK, and
shipping a few metres of 4x2 would surely out weigh the cost of GST.

Buying small high value items from overseas makes sense, but with
anything if any size, the shipping quickly becomes prohibitive, eg I
searched on the web for a 24" monitor, up popped one from Amazon at a
reasonable but not spectacular price, but the shipping as more than the
item concerned and more than I could buy the item here in Oz.

While I doubt that it is practical, and might not be legal, and still
wouldn't get around the other problems of massive rents, wages,
government and council charges associated with having a fixed premises
here:

They could set it up so you could order in-store, or via the company's
website and get the goods sent direct to the consumer from OS - or
shipped to the nearest store of your choice.
I'm sure that consumer would put up with the wait, to get the better
price, as they already seem happy to do so via Ebay etc.

(Note that to make this viable, the retailer might have to set up
their own "shipping service" to move this volume of individual
packages in bulk into the country economically as to send a single
shipment, compared to the same shipment broken up to different
addresses and people, it would likely be expensive to post every
individual order via post, Fedex TNT etc unless they got a massive
discount for volume.)

I still have my doubts as to whether it would be worthwhile though
with the pathological greed that seems to exist in much of the retail
industry in this country


If this sort of thing ever happened, it would be another nail in the
coffin of local manufacturers / suppliers as being in the country,
they cannot avoid Australian GST on items they sell, unless they are
under $70,000 PA turnover, at which point it would be a backyard
operation, probably of speciality or custom items, that wouldn't be
sold through chain stores to start with.

 

[B J Foster]

On 6/12/2010 6:38 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Bernie Brookes, Myer:
If we can't beat them we will join them, Mr Brookes warned. We just want
a level playing field. We will take jobs offshore and we will ship
product out of China through our internet site, it's a bloody shame.

Woolworths and Bunnings could follow Myer's plan to operate a website
from China that takes orders from Australian consumers as the sector
grows increasingly angry over the leakage of sales to online stores.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/myer-floats-taxfree-website-20101203-18jt6.html

Why would I buy from Myer when I can buy from a reputable HK-based store
that charges half as much?

================================

I knew this would be their (large Retailers) next move.
The fed govt will have a look it, and completely stuff it up in their
usual fashion.

Perhaps I should take bets on how badly they can stuff it up.

No bet.

Cheers Don...

=======================

 

[me here]

kreed wrote:

On Dec 6, 10:34 am, keithr <kei...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
On 6/12/2010 6:38 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Bernie Brookes, Myer:
If we can't beat them we will join them, Mr Brookes warned. We
just want a level playing field. We will take jobs offshore and
we will ship product out of China through our internet site, it's
a bloody shame.

Woolworths and Bunnings could follow Myer's plan to operate a
website from China that takes orders from Australian consumers as
the sector grows increasingly angry over the leakage of sales to
online stores.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/myer-floats-taxfree-website-2010120
3-1...

================================

I knew this would be their (large Retailers) next move.
The fed govt will have a look it, and completely stuff it up in
their usual fashion.

Perhaps I should take bets on how badly they can stuff it up.

Cheers Don...

=======================

I can see Myers selling some stuff that way but Woolies and
Bunnings? I suspect that the milk may be off by the time it arrives
from HK, and shipping a few metres of 4x2 would surely out weigh
the cost of GST.

Buying small high value items from overseas makes sense, but with
anything if any size, the shipping quickly becomes prohibitive, eg I
searched on the web for a 24" monitor, up popped one from Amazon at
a reasonable but not spectacular price, but the shipping as more
than the item concerned and more than I could buy the item here in
Oz.


While I doubt that it is practical, and might not be legal, and still
wouldn't get around the other problems of massive rents, wages,
government and council charges associated with having a fixed premises
here:

They could set it up so you could order in-store, or via the company's
website and get the goods sent direct to the consumer from OS - or
shipped to the nearest store of your choice.
I'm sure that consumer would put up with the wait, to get the better
price, as they already seem happy to do so via Ebay etc.

(Note that to make this viable, the retailer might have to set up
their own "shipping service" to move this volume of individual
packages in bulk into the country economically as to send a single
shipment, compared to the same shipment broken up to different
addresses and people, it would likely be expensive to post every
individual order via post, Fedex TNT etc unless they got a massive
discount for volume.)

I still have my doubts as to whether it would be worthwhile though
with the pathological greed that seems to exist in much of the retail
industry in this country


If this sort of thing ever happened, it would be another nail in the
coffin of local manufacturers / suppliers as being in the country,
they cannot avoid Australian GST on items they sell, unless they are
under $70,000 PA turnover, at which point it would be a backyard
operation, probably of speciality or custom items, that wouldn't be
sold through chain stores to start with.

Jeeze, you'd wan't nerves of steel or a blessing from the Pope to buy a
wide screen TV through the net.

How many parcels do you get that haven't been scrunched.

I recon they drop kick the stuff into the delivery van.

No bloody way.

--

 

[Petzl]

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:27:50 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

I can see Myers selling some stuff that way but Woolies and Bunnings?
I suspect that the milk may be off by the time it arrives from HK,

They're talking about BigW, not the grocery items.

Woolworths Grocery are on line at around a 30% increase in prices,
which I fail to see justifiable (except for internal corruption.
Google "woolworths coffee tea")
--
Petzl
Battle Hymn of the Republic
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=JCqZ-9-lDEo
http://tinyurl.com/8vqqxd

 

[Rod Speed]

Rob wrote

Rod Speed wrote
keithr wrote
Don McKenzie wrote
Bernie Brookes, Myer

and shipping a few metres of 4x2 would surely out weigh the cost of GST.

Bunnings flogs a hell of a lot more than just timber, much of it shipable.

Buying small high value items from overseas makes sense, but with
anything if any size, the shipping quickly becomes prohibitive, eg I
searched on the web for a 24" monitor, up popped one from Amazon at
a reasonable but not spectacular price, but the shipping as more than the item concerned and more than I could buy
the item here in Oz.

Yeah, even with smaller stuff like bathroom scales.

Once it gets past the lowest weight class in the US, even USPS shipping at cost can be the main killer.

See this

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/EPSON-T5966-Light-Magenta-7900-9900-Ink-350-ml-NEW-/160512745980
----- $139 incl freight.

best australian price is $204 if you buy a whole set, plus freight

and this

http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/Genuine-Epson-Stylus-Pro-7900-9900-WT7900-Ink-700ml-New-/180582204077
------ $260 including freight.

Aust - $352 plus freight.

Epson and the retailers have not passed on anything of the exchange rate.

I had the word CAN in mine for a reason.

I have saved heaps on quite a bit of stuff, particularly Targus universal chargers etc.

But dont save anything worth bothering with with Samsung 2TB drives.

 

[Rod Speed]

Petzl wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

I can see Myers selling some stuff that way but Woolies and Bunnings?
I suspect that the milk may be off by the time it arrives from HK,

They're talking about BigW, not the grocery items.

Woolworths Grocery are on line at around a 30% increase in prices,

Yes, but NONE of that comes direct from HK to you, stupid.

which I fail to see justifiable (except for internal corruption.

Taint corruption, fool.

Google "woolworths coffee tea")

No thanks.

 

[Petzl]

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:36:34 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Petzl wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

I can see Myers selling some stuff that way but Woolies and Bunnings?
I suspect that the milk may be off by the time it arrives from HK,

They're talking about BigW, not the grocery items.

Woolworths Grocery are on line at around a 30% increase in prices,

Yes, but NONE of that comes direct from HK to you, stupid.

No but the cost savings of online LOCALLY should be considerable

http://goo.gl/Izb6c

As should be online stores

which I fail to see justifiable (except for internal corruption.

Taint corruption, fool.

Google "woolworths coffee tea")

No thanks.

Too lazy?

OK
http://goo.gl/i2t2P
Here it tis
--
Petzl
Forgive spelling English is my 1st & only lingo, except for
being able to swear in 5 others.

 

[Rob]

On 6/12/2010 7:28 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

Rob wrote
Rod Speed wrote
keithr wrote
Don McKenzie wrote
Bernie Brookes, Myer

and shipping a few metres of 4x2 would surely out weigh the cost of GST.

Bunnings flogs a hell of a lot more than just timber, much of it shipable.

Buying small high value items from overseas makes sense, but with
anything if any size, the shipping quickly becomes prohibitive, eg I
searched on the web for a 24" monitor, up popped one from Amazon at
a reasonable but not spectacular price, but the shipping as more than the item concerned and more than I could buy
the item here in Oz.

Yeah, even with smaller stuff like bathroom scales.

Once it gets past the lowest weight class in the US, even USPS shipping at cost can be the main killer.

See this

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/EPSON-T5966-Light-Magenta-7900-9900-Ink-350-ml-NEW-/160512745980
----- $139 incl freight.

best australian price is $204 if you buy a whole set, plus freight

and this

http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/Genuine-Epson-Stylus-Pro-7900-9900-WT7900-Ink-700ml-New-/180582204077
------ $260 including freight.

Aust - $352 plus freight.

Epson and the retailers have not passed on anything of the exchange rate.

I had the word CAN in mine for a reason.

I have saved heaps on quite a bit of stuff, particularly Targus universal chargers etc.

But dont save anything worth bothering with with Samsung 2TB drives.


Actually more expensive OS.

 

In aus.computers Rob <mesamine@gmail.com> wrote:

On 6/12/2010 7:28 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
....
But dont save anything worth bothering with with Samsung 2TB drives.
Actually more expensive OS.

Buy it now on us ebay has recently shown 80 usd + 25 usd shipping.
Maybe 10 usd off if you win a bid.

Ebay australia shows 124 aud incl shipping.
The cheapest I've seen in Aus is 95 aud + unspecified shipping.

--
Ever seen film of the Polar bear bashing through the ice to get seal
cubs? Less ice more food for the Polar Bear
-- george <gblack@hnpl.net>, 27 Oct 2010 15:55:37 -0700

 

In aus.computers Rob <mesamine@gmail.com> wrote:

On 6/12/2010 7:28 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
....
But dont save anything worth bothering with with Samsung 2TB drives.
Actually more expensive OS.

Buy it now on us ebay has recently shown 80 usd + 25 usd shipping.
[I see today there is one guy 79.99 usd and wants to 3-day ship for 45 usd;
but you could probably beat him down to a standard UPS 2 lb box at 25 usd].
Maybe 10 usd off if you win a bid.

Ebay australia shows 124 aud incl shipping.
The cheapest I've seen in Aus is 95 aud + unspecified shipping.

--
Ever seen film of the Polar bear bashing through the ice to get seal
cubs? Less ice more food for the Polar Bear
-- george <gblack@hnpl.net>, 27 Oct 2010 15:55:37 -0700

 

[kreed]

On Dec 6, 5:27 pm, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

On 6/12/2010 6:38 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Bernie Brookes, Myer:
If we can't beat them we will join them, Mr Brookes warned. We just want
a level playing field. We will take jobs offshore and we will ship
product out of China through our internet site, it's a bloody shame.

Woolworths and Bunnings could follow Myer's plan to operate a website
from China that takes orders from Australian consumers as the sector
grows increasingly angry over the leakage of sales to online stores.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/myer-floats-taxfree-website-20101203-1...

Why would I buy from Myer when I can buy from a reputable HK-based store
that charges half as much?



===============================
I knew this would be their (large Retailers) next move.
The fed govt will have a look it, and completely stuff it up in their
usual fashion.

Perhaps I should take bets on how badly they can stuff it up.

No bet.



Cheers Don...

======================
Best thing to do would be to buy zero from the retailers that are

pushing for this, write to them and tell them why.

 

[Rod Speed]

Petzl wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Petzl wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

I can see Myers selling some stuff that way but Woolies and Bunnings?
I suspect that the milk may be off by the time it arrives from HK,

They're talking about BigW, not the grocery items.

Woolworths Grocery are on line at around a 30% increase in prices,

Yes, but NONE of that comes direct from HK to you, stupid.

No but the cost savings of online LOCALLY should be considerable

Nope, because someone has to pay for the individual
picking of your order and the delivery, stupid.

http://goo.gl/Izb6c

Nothing like a 30% increase in prices. The main thing you dont get is the specials.

As should be online stores

Yes, they can save the cost of the retail store etc, but many of them have those as well.

which I fail to see justifiable (except for internal corruption.

Taint corruption, fool.

Google "woolworths coffee tea")

No thanks.

Too lazy?

Nope. I've got enough of a clue to realise that just because
some fool claims something doesnt make it gospel, stupid.

OK
http://goo.gl/i2t2P
Here it tis

Yawn.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rob wrote

Rod Speed wrote
Rob wrote
Rod Speed wrote
keithr wrote
Don McKenzie wrote
Bernie Brookes, Myer

and shipping a few metres of 4x2 would surely out weigh the cost of GST.

Bunnings flogs a hell of a lot more than just timber, much of it shipable.

Buying small high value items from overseas makes sense, but with
anything if any size, the shipping quickly becomes prohibitive, eg I searched on the web for a 24" monitor, up
popped one from Amazon
at a reasonable but not spectacular price, but the shipping as more
than the item concerned and more than I could buy the item here
in Oz.

Yeah, even with smaller stuff like bathroom scales.

Once it gets past the lowest weight class in the US, even USPS shipping at cost can be the main killer.

See this

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/EPSON-T5966-Light-Magenta-7900-9900-Ink-350-ml-NEW-/160512745980
----- $139 incl freight.

best australian price is $204 if you buy a whole set, plus freight

and this

http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/Genuine-Epson-Stylus-Pro-7900-9900-WT7900-Ink-700ml-New-/180582204077
------ $260 including freight.

Aust - $352 plus freight.

Epson and the retailers have not passed on anything of the exchange rate.

I had the word CAN in mine for a reason.

I have saved heaps on quite a bit of stuff, particularly Targus universal chargers etc.

But dont save anything worth bothering with with Samsung 2TB drives.

Actually more expensive OS.

Yeah, surprisingly enough.

Thats brand specific tho, it isnt true of all 2TB drives.

 

[Rod Speed]

kreed wrote:

On Dec 6, 5:27 pm, B J Foster <bjfos...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
On 6/12/2010 6:38 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Bernie Brookes, Myer:
If we can't beat them we will join them, Mr Brookes warned. We just
want a level playing field. We will take jobs offshore and we will
ship product out of China through our internet site, it's a bloody
shame.

Woolworths and Bunnings could follow Myer's plan to operate a
website from China that takes orders from Australian consumers as
the sector grows increasingly angry over the leakage of sales to
online stores.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/myer-floats-taxfree-website-20101203-1...

Why would I buy from Myer when I can buy from a reputable HK-based
store that charges half as much?



================================

I knew this would be their (large Retailers) next move.
The fed govt will have a look it, and completely stuff it up in
their usual fashion.

Perhaps I should take bets on how badly they can stuff it up.

No bet.



Cheers Don...

=======================

Best thing to do would be to buy zero from the retailers that are
pushing for this, write to them and tell them why.

They'll just yawn, because not enough to matter will do that.