Labor wins broadband election

[Don McKenzie]

Labor wins broadband election
Sep 7, 2010 3:38 PM

Independents back Gillard minority Government.

Independent MPs Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor have backed Labor to govern Australia, with both saying the national
broadband network was critical to their decisions.

The nation stopped for the announcement, which was broadcast live nationally at 3pm AEST.

Windsor said there was an "enormous opportunity for regional Australians to engage with infrastructure of this century".

"To pass up that opportunity and miss the opportunity for a million people of country Australia ... I thought [it] was
too good an opportunity to miss," Windsor said.

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/231321,labor-wins-broadband-election.aspx

Cheers Don...

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[Doug Jewell]

On 8/09/2010 6:02 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Labor wins broadband election
Sep 7, 2010 3:38 PM

Independents back Gillard minority Government.

Independent MPs Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor have backed
Labor to govern Australia, with both saying the national
broadband network was critical to their decisions.

The nation stopped for the announcement, which was broadcast
live nationally at 3pm AEST.

Windsor said there was an "enormous opportunity for regional
Australians to engage with infrastructure of this century".

"To pass up that opportunity and miss the opportunity for a
million people of country Australia ... I thought [it] was
too good an opportunity to miss," Windsor said.

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/231321,labor-wins-broadband-election.aspx

I don't think Windsor has enough brains to understand what
he has actually voted for. For a farmer or someone in a
small community that doesn't have broadband at all, NBN will
do absolutely nothing.

For someone in many small communities that only have ADSL1,
NBN will do absolutely nothing.

NBN will only provide ultra-fast broadband to people who
live in major centres, not the rural people that Windsor
claims to support. And it will do so at a cost of $5000 per
household (paid indirectly through tax), whether they want
it or not.

But the thing is, those who want/need those sort of speeds
now, and who live in larger communities can get those speeds
now, through either multiple-line ADSL2, or through fibre.
They have to pay for the privilege of course. But why should
the many people who don't even have dial-up internet,
because they don't want any internet, pay through the nose,
so the handful of people who do want ultra-fast broadband
can have it?

Furthermore, when copper lines are removed, how will it
benefit the population when they no longer have a simple and
reliable POTS? For a great many of the elderly (and probably
a large portion of the rest of the community too), they
don't give a rats arse about ultra-fast broadband, they just
want a telephone that is cheap and reliable. NBN will take
that away from them.

Like everything else the ALP does, it is poorly thought
through, and sold with lies.
--
What is the difference between a duck?

 

[Rod Speed]

Doug Jewell wrote

Don McKenzie wrote

Labor wins broadband election
Sep 7, 2010 3:38 PM

Independents back Gillard minority Government.

Independent MPs Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor have backed Labor to govern Australia, with both saying the national
broadband network was critical to their decisions.

The nation stopped for the announcement, which was broadcast
live nationally at 3pm AEST.

Windsor said there was an "enormous opportunity for regional
Australians to engage with infrastructure of this century".

"To pass up that opportunity and miss the opportunity for a
million people of country Australia ... I thought [it] was
too good an opportunity to miss," Windsor said.

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/231321,labor-wins-broadband-election.aspx

I don't think Windsor has enough brains to understand what he has actually voted for.

I bet he does.

For a farmer or someone in a small community that doesn't have broadband at all,

There is no one in his electorate like that. They ALL have access to
broadband via NextG or satellite if they want it, at about the same
price as everyone else has access to DSL for with the sole exception
the very large download limit plans that you only see on DSL or fibre.

Everyone in the reasonable sized towns have access to DSL2 from Telstra or Telstra resold.

Its only really the hobby farmers ont the fringes of the major towns that are
too far away for DSL and they wont even get fibre from the NBN anyway.

NBN will do absolutely nothing.

Thats just plain wrong. The NBN has always been about providing
those with wireless, even tho the absolute vast bulk of them already
have that via NextG before the NBN was even started.

For someone in many small communities that only have ADSL1,
NBN will do absolutely nothing.

Thats just plain wrong. The bulk of those will get FTTP.

NBN will only provide ultra-fast broadband to people who live in major centres,

Thats just plain wrong. It will also provide ultra-fast broadband
to surprisingly small towns, towns of less than 1K people etc.

not the rural people that Windsor claims to support.

He said very early on that it makes no sense to be providing
FTTH to 'small hamlets', let alone individual rural propertys.

And it will do so at a cost of $5000 per household (paid indirectly through tax), whether they want it or not.

Not necessarily, particularly if its paid for using
part of what was raised by flogging off Telstra.

And it obviously wont be paid for by those that dont pay much if any income tax either.

And there are fucking great hordes of those.

But the thing is, those who want/need those sort of speeds
now, and who live in larger communities can get those speeds
now, through either multiple-line ADSL2, or through fibre.

Yes, but at a price that hardly anyone is silly enough to pay.

They have to pay for the privilege of course. But why should
the many people who don't even have dial-up internet,
because they don't want any internet, pay through the nose,

They dont, most obviously with those who pay
very little income tax and there are hordes of those.

so the handful of people who do want ultra-fast broadband can have it?

If it wasnt for the fact that there are better things like hospitals
to spend $50B on, it would make sense to spend part of what
was obtained from the flogging off of Telstra to replace the
copper pair network with fibre and get the speed as a bonus.

Furthermore, when copper lines are removed, how will it benefit the population when they no longer have a simple and
reliable POTS?

There wont be anything like the same maintenance required except
where its stupidly done on street poles to keep the cost down.

For a great many of the elderly (and probably
a large portion of the rest of the community too), they don't give a rats arse about ultra-fast broadband, they just
want a telephone that is cheap and reliable.

And they'd get that if part of what was obtained by flogging off Telstra
was used to pay for it and we saw the economys of rewiring the entire
street in one go rather that piecemeal wiring of individual houses as the
occupants decide they want to have the NBN because the price is set
low enough to encourage everyone who uses the net to use it.

NBN will take that away from them.

Nope.

Like everything else the ALP does, it is poorly thought through,

Yeah, it was always something the fuckwit dud went for when it
became clear that Telstra under the stupid yanks wasnt going to
tender for his stupid FTTN that he offered in the 007 election.

and sold with lies.

Not that so much as just steamrollered thru like everything else the dud did.

 

[z1]

On 8/09/2010 7:03 AM, Doug Jewell wrote:

On 8/09/2010 6:02 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
Labor wins broadband election
Sep 7, 2010 3:38 PM

Independents back Gillard minority Government.

Independent MPs Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor have backed
Labor to govern Australia, with both saying the national
broadband network was critical to their decisions.

The nation stopped for the announcement, which was broadcast
live nationally at 3pm AEST.

Windsor said there was an "enormous opportunity for regional
Australians to engage with infrastructure of this century".

"To pass up that opportunity and miss the opportunity for a
million people of country Australia ... I thought [it] was
too good an opportunity to miss," Windsor said.

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/231321,labor-wins-broadband-election.aspx

I don't think Windsor has enough brains to understand what he has
actually voted for. For a farmer or someone in a small community that
doesn't have broadband at all, NBN will do absolutely nothing.

For someone in many small communities that only have ADSL1, NBN will do
absolutely nothing.

NBN will only provide ultra-fast broadband to people who live in major
centres, not the rural people that Windsor claims to support. And it
will do so at a cost of $5000 per household (paid indirectly through
tax), whether they want it or not.

But the thing is, those who want/need those sort of speeds now, and who
live in larger communities can get those speeds now, through either
multiple-line ADSL2, or through fibre. They have to pay for the
privilege of course. But why should the many people who don't even have
dial-up internet, because they don't want any internet, pay through the
nose, so the handful of people who do want ultra-fast broadband can have
it?

Furthermore, when copper lines are removed, how will it benefit the
population when they no longer have a simple and reliable POTS? For a
great many of the elderly (and probably a large portion of the rest of
the community too), they don't give a rats arse about ultra-fast
broadband, they just want a telephone that is cheap and reliable. NBN
will take that away from them.

Like everything else the ALP does, it is poorly thought through, and
sold with lies.

In some regards you have a point here and there.

If we go back to what the NBN was really meant to be - can we remember that?

I recall that the whole thing about the NBN was to achieve a single
hardware 'truck' provider like the old STC was [before they made Telecom
with it.
The idea of Telstra giving up it's cables, trenches, conduits etc is to
have a single carrier period.
After which all retail bods rent the 'landlines' and so away we go.

Or am I missing something?

 

[Rod Speed]

z1 wrote:

On 8/09/2010 7:03 AM, Doug Jewell wrote:
On 8/09/2010 6:02 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
Labor wins broadband election
Sep 7, 2010 3:38 PM

Independents back Gillard minority Government.

Independent MPs Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor have backed
Labor to govern Australia, with both saying the national
broadband network was critical to their decisions.

The nation stopped for the announcement, which was broadcast
live nationally at 3pm AEST.

Windsor said there was an "enormous opportunity for regional
Australians to engage with infrastructure of this century".

"To pass up that opportunity and miss the opportunity for a
million people of country Australia ... I thought [it] was
too good an opportunity to miss," Windsor said.

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/231321,labor-wins-broadband-election.aspx

I don't think Windsor has enough brains to understand what he has
actually voted for. For a farmer or someone in a small community that
doesn't have broadband at all, NBN will do absolutely nothing.

For someone in many small communities that only have ADSL1, NBN will
do absolutely nothing.

NBN will only provide ultra-fast broadband to people who live in
major centres, not the rural people that Windsor claims to support.
And it will do so at a cost of $5000 per household (paid indirectly
through tax), whether they want it or not.

But the thing is, those who want/need those sort of speeds now, and
who live in larger communities can get those speeds now, through
either multiple-line ADSL2, or through fibre. They have to pay for
the privilege of course. But why should the many people who don't
even have dial-up internet, because they don't want any internet,
pay through the nose, so the handful of people who do want
ultra-fast broadband can have it?

Furthermore, when copper lines are removed, how will it benefit the
population when they no longer have a simple and reliable POTS? For a
great many of the elderly (and probably a large portion of the rest
of the community too), they don't give a rats arse about ultra-fast
broadband, they just want a telephone that is cheap and reliable. NBN
will take that away from them.

Like everything else the ALP does, it is poorly thought through, and
sold with lies.

In some regards you have a point here and there.

If we go back to what the NBN was really meant to be - can we remember that?

Yep, it was the dud's attempt to bullshit his way out of his
predicament when his 007 election promise of putting the FTTN
out to competitive tended produced NOT ONE viable tenderer.

I recall that the whole thing about the NBN was to achieve a single hardware 'truck' provider like the old STC was
[before they made Telecom with it.

Wrong. And there was no STC either, there was the PMG before Telecom.

The idea of Telstra giving up it's cables, trenches, conduits etc is to have a single carrier period.

That was never part of the NBN initially.

After which all retail bods rent the 'landlines' and so away we go.

Or am I missing something?

Yep, you dont have a clue about how the NBN actually got started.

 

[z1]

On 8/09/2010 8:14 AM, Rod Speed wrote:

z1 wrote:
On 8/09/2010 7:03 AM, Doug Jewell wrote:
On 8/09/2010 6:02 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
Labor wins broadband election
Sep 7, 2010 3:38 PM

Independents back Gillard minority Government.

Independent MPs Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor have backed
Labor to govern Australia, with both saying the national
broadband network was critical to their decisions.

The nation stopped for the announcement, which was broadcast
live nationally at 3pm AEST.

Windsor said there was an "enormous opportunity for regional
Australians to engage with infrastructure of this century".

"To pass up that opportunity and miss the opportunity for a
million people of country Australia ... I thought [it] was
too good an opportunity to miss," Windsor said.

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/231321,labor-wins-broadband-election.aspx

I don't think Windsor has enough brains to understand what he has
actually voted for. For a farmer or someone in a small community that
doesn't have broadband at all, NBN will do absolutely nothing.

For someone in many small communities that only have ADSL1, NBN will
do absolutely nothing.

NBN will only provide ultra-fast broadband to people who live in
major centres, not the rural people that Windsor claims to support.
And it will do so at a cost of $5000 per household (paid indirectly
through tax), whether they want it or not.

But the thing is, those who want/need those sort of speeds now, and
who live in larger communities can get those speeds now, through
either multiple-line ADSL2, or through fibre. They have to pay for
the privilege of course. But why should the many people who don't
even have dial-up internet, because they don't want any internet,
pay through the nose, so the handful of people who do want
ultra-fast broadband can have it?

Furthermore, when copper lines are removed, how will it benefit the
population when they no longer have a simple and reliable POTS? For a
great many of the elderly (and probably a large portion of the rest
of the community too), they don't give a rats arse about ultra-fast
broadband, they just want a telephone that is cheap and reliable. NBN
will take that away from them.

Like everything else the ALP does, it is poorly thought through, and
sold with lies.

In some regards you have a point here and there.

If we go back to what the NBN was really meant to be - can we remember that?

Yep, it was the dud's attempt to bullshit his way out of his
predicament when his 007 election promise of putting the FTTN
out to competitive tended produced NOT ONE viable tenderer.

I recall that the whole thing about the NBN was to achieve a single hardware 'truck' provider like the old STC was
[before they made Telecom with it.

Wrong. And there was no STC either, there was the PMG before Telecom.

The idea of Telstra giving up it's cables, trenches, conduits etc is to have a single carrier period.

That was never part of the NBN initially.

After which all retail bods rent the 'landlines' and so away we go.

Or am I missing something?

Yep, you dont have a clue about how the NBN actually got started.

well I meant the OTC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Telecommunications_Commission

it got merged with Telecom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstra

interesting bit here:
http://www.caslon.com.au/austelecomsprofile1.htm

what I was trying to say was that the joining of OTC with the 'telecom'
of the day, was the big mistake made by Labor

the OTC could have become the NBN of the time.

 

[SG1]

"terryc" <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:i66kt4$7i1$5@speranza.aioe.org...

On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 07:32:37 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:


There is no one in his electorate like that. They ALL have access to
broadband via NextG or satellite if they want it, at about the same
price as everyone else has access to DSL for with the sole exception the
very large download limit plans that you only see on DSL or fibre.

So list the data quota available for under $40?
Hint double digit GIGABYTEs, not megabytes start to be acceptable.

As was said in Yes Minister, "The smell of Ministerial leather is powerfull
aphrodisiac."

 

[terryc]

On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 07:32:37 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

There is no one in his electorate like that. They ALL have access to
broadband via NextG or satellite if they want it, at about the same
price as everyone else has access to DSL for with the sole exception the
very large download limit plans that you only see on DSL or fibre.

So list the data quota available for under $40?
Hint double digit GIGABYTEs, not megabytes start to be acceptable.

 

[Rod Speed]

z1 wrote

Rod Speed wrote
z1 wrote
Doug Jewell wrote
Don McKenzie wrote

Labor wins broadband election
Sep 7, 2010 3:38 PM

Independents back Gillard minority Government.

Independent MPs Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor have backed Labor to govern Australia, with both saying the
national broadband network was critical to their decisions.

The nation stopped for the announcement, which was broadcast
live nationally at 3pm AEST.

Windsor said there was an "enormous opportunity for regional
Australians to engage with infrastructure of this century".

"To pass up that opportunity and miss the opportunity for a million people of country Australia ... I thought [it]
was
too good an opportunity to miss," Windsor said.

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/231321,labor-wins-broadband-election.aspx

I don't think Windsor has enough brains to understand what he has
actually voted for. For a farmer or someone in a small community
that doesn't have broadband at all, NBN will do absolutely nothing.

For someone in many small communities that only have ADSL1, NBN will do absolutely nothing.

NBN will only provide ultra-fast broadband to people who live in
major centres, not the rural people that Windsor claims to support.
And it will do so at a cost of $5000 per household (paid indirectly
through tax), whether they want it or not.

But the thing is, those who want/need those sort of speeds now, and
who live in larger communities can get those speeds now, through
either multiple-line ADSL2, or through fibre. They have to pay for
the privilege of course. But why should the many people who don't
even have dial-up internet, because they don't want any internet,
pay through the nose, so the handful of people who do want
ultra-fast broadband can have it?

Furthermore, when copper lines are removed, how will it benefit the
population when they no longer have a simple and reliable POTS?
For a great many of the elderly (and probably a large portion of
the rest of the community too), they don't give a rats arse about
ultra-fast broadband, they just want a telephone that is cheap and
reliable. NBN will take that away from them.

Like everything else the ALP does, it is poorly thought through, and sold with lies.

In some regards you have a point here and there.

If we go back to what the NBN was really meant to be - can we remember that?

Yep, it was the dud's attempt to bullshit his way out of his
predicament when his 007 election promise of putting the FTTN
out to competitive tended produced NOT ONE viable tenderer.

I recall that the whole thing about the NBN was to achieve a single hardware 'truck' provider like the old STC was
[before they made Telecom with it.

Wrong. And there was no STC either, there was the PMG before Telecom.

The idea of Telstra giving up it's cables, trenches, conduits etc
is to have a single carrier period.

That was never part of the NBN initially.

After which all retail bods rent the 'landlines' and so away we go.

Or am I missing something?

Yep, you dont have a clue about how the NBN actually got started.

well I meant the OTC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Telecommunications_Commission

OK, but Telecom was never 'made with it'

it got merged with Telecom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstra

Yes, and was always a tiny part of the total.

interesting bit here:
http://www.caslon.com.au/austelecomsprofile1.htm

Nope. Nothing there is any news to anyone who knows anything about it.

what I was trying to say was that the joining of OTC with the
'telecom' of the day, was the big mistake made by Labor

It was the only viable way to go.

the OTC could have become the NBN of the time.

Like hell it could. It never ever had anything to do with telecoms within the country.

 

[Rod Speed]

terryc wrote

Rod Speed wrote

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/231321,labor-wins-broadband-election.aspx

I don't think Windsor has enough brains to understand what he has actually voted for.

I bet he does.

He appears to be mostly driven by a much better prospect of the NBN with
Labor given that the coalition said very unambiguously that they would kill it,
and decided that the coalition would have another election as soon as the polls
looked promising and he would have to find the money for his own election campaign.

Katter was too stupid to even consider that sort of thing.

For a farmer or someone in a small community that doesn't have broadband at all,

There is no one in his electorate like that. They ALL have access to
broadband via NextG or satellite if they want it, at about the same
price as everyone else has access to DSL for with the sole exception
the very large download limit plans that you only see on DSL or fibre.

So list the data quota available for under $40?
Hint double digit GIGABYTEs,

Thats nothing like your previous lie about 'that doesn't have broadband at all'

not megabytes start to be acceptable.

You can get a hell of a lot more than just MBs for $40.

 

[Rod Speed]

SG1 wrote

terryc <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed wrote

I don't think Windsor has enough brains to understand what he has actually voted for.

I bet he does.

For a farmer or someone in a small community that doesn't have broadband at all,

There is no one in his electorate like that. They ALL have access to
broadband via NextG or satellite if they want it, at about the same
price as everyone else has access to DSL for with the sole exception the very large download limit plans that you
only see on DSL or fibre.

So list the data quota available for under $40?
Hint double digit GIGABYTEs, not megabytes start to be acceptable.

As was said in Yes Minister, "The smell of Ministerial leather is powerfull aphrodisiac."

Windsor was never even offered that.