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David Brown has suggested that I don\';t know as much about Norway as I ought, but I am a full bottle on one aspect Norwegian industrial history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Richter_(inventor)

worked for the company Kamyr, which made and sold equipment for the paper industry. I met him when he and his wife visited Tasmania in the 1950s.

Around 1950 Kamyr sold a continuous digester to the Associated Pulp and Paper Mills at Burnie, Tasmania where my father was research manager .

It was the sixth one sold and the only one modified to run my father\'s patented two stage cook.

Instead of sticking fresh NaOH solution into the top of the digester with the raw wood chips, his scheme stuck it halfway down and took out the depleted solution with the digested wood chips at the bottom, but then piped it up to the top of the digester where it was still strong enough to start the process of digesting the raw wood chip. That let you get by with 16 tons of NaOH per hundred tons of wood chips, rather than 22 tons.

Obviously this was a crude approximation to counter-current cooking.

Mu father eventually worked out a scheme to run his digester fully counter current and it worked, and the company patented the idea. That got by with 12 tons of NaOH per hundred tons of wood chips, and cooked the chips even faster.

Johan Richter had spent ten years trying to get his counter-current scheme to work, and was impressed. Kamyr - as an organisation - wasn\'t and never paid any royalties, though they did sell their digesters set up to run counter-current.

Johan Richter\'s history of the company reflects the official line, but the copy he sent to my father had a rather more complimentary handwritten message on the title page.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 7:13:30 PM UTC+10, Clive Arthur wrote:
> Isn\'t it God, Norwegian wod?

Who needs repeated vowels anyway. Repeated consonants are another matter.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:13:23 +0100, Clive Arthur
<clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

>Isn\'t it God, Norwegian wod?

Sloman corrects everyone\'s spelling but his own.

I wish he\'d research the difference between its and it\'s.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
 
On 4/21/2022 4:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
David Brown has suggested that I don\';t know as much about Norway as I ought, but I am a full bottle on one aspect Norwegian industrial history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Richter_(inventor)

worked for the company Kamyr, which made and sold equipment for the paper industry. I met him when he and his wife visited Tasmania in the 1950s.

Around 1950 Kamyr sold a continuous digester to the Associated Pulp and Paper Mills at Burnie, Tasmania where my father was research manager .

It was the sixth one sold and the only one modified to run my father\'s patented two stage cook.

Instead of sticking fresh NaOH solution into the top of the digester with the raw wood chips, his scheme stuck it halfway down and took out the depleted solution with the digested wood chips at the bottom, but then piped it up to the top of the digester where it was still strong enough to start the process of digesting the raw wood chip. That let you get by with 16 tons of NaOH per hundred tons of wood chips, rather than 22 tons.

Obviously this was a crude approximation to counter-current cooking.

Mu father eventually worked out a scheme to run his digester fully counter current and it worked, and the company patented the idea. That got by with 12 tons of NaOH per hundred tons of wood chips, and cooked the chips even faster.

Johan Richter had spent ten years trying to get his counter-current scheme to work, and was impressed. Kamyr - as an organisation - wasn\'t and never paid any royalties, though they did sell their digesters set up to run counter-current.

Johan Richter\'s history of the company reflects the official line, but the copy he sent to my father had a rather more complimentary handwritten message on the title page.
Click to expand...

IDK if it\'s this way everywhere but paper plants in the US tend to stink
like shit, I\'d rather hang out down wind of a sewage treatment facility
than a paper plant.
 
On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:10:32 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/21/2022 4:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
David Brown has suggested that I don\';t know as much about Norway as I ought, but I am a full bottle on one aspect Norwegian industrial history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Richter_(inventor)

worked for the company Kamyr, which made and sold equipment for the paper industry. I met him when he and his wife visited Tasmania in the 1950s.

Around 1950 Kamyr sold a continuous digester to the Associated Pulp and Paper Mills at Burnie, Tasmania where my father was research manager .

It was the sixth one sold and the only one modified to run my father\'s patented two stage cook.

Instead of sticking fresh NaOH solution into the top of the digester with the raw wood chips, his scheme stuck it halfway down and took out the depleted solution with the digested wood chips at the bottom, but then piped it up to the top of the digester where it was still strong enough to start the process of digesting the raw wood chip. That let you get by with 16 tons of NaOH per hundred tons of wood chips, rather than 22 tons.

Obviously this was a crude approximation to counter-current cooking.

Mu father eventually worked out a scheme to run his digester fully counter current and it worked, and the company patented the idea. That got by with 12 tons of NaOH per hundred tons of wood chips, and cooked the chips even faster.

Johan Richter had spent ten years trying to get his counter-current scheme to work, and was impressed. Kamyr - as an organisation - wasn\'t and never paid any royalties, though they did sell their digesters set up to run counter-current.

Johan Richter\'s history of the company reflects the official line, but the copy he sent to my father had a rather more complimentary handwritten message on the title page.


IDK if it\'s this way everywhere but paper plants in the US tend to stink
like shit, I\'d rather hang out down wind of a sewage treatment facility
than a paper plant.
Click to expand...

I have toured the sewers of Paris and the giant wastewater treatment
plant in se San Francisco. The sf tour was much more interesting and
smelled a lot better.

SF has one combined sewage and runoff system, but it doesn\'t rain a
lot here so that\'s not too unreasonable.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
 
On 4/21/2022 22:01, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:13:23 +0100, Clive Arthur
clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

Isn\'t it God, Norwegian wod?

Sloman corrects everyone\'s spelling but his own.

I wish he\'d research the difference between its and it\'s.
Click to expand...

Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
\"Rubber Soul\"... :) May be he meant it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8
 
On 21/04/2022 22:37, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 4/21/2022 22:01, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:13:23 +0100, Clive Arthur
clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

Isn\'t it God, Norwegian wod?

Sloman corrects everyone\'s spelling but his own.

I wish he\'d research the difference between  its  and  it\'s.


Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
\"Rubber Soul\"... :) May be he meant it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8
Click to expand...

Yes, a song about sexual frustration provoking arson.

--
Cheers
Clive
 
On 4/22/2022 1:32, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 21/04/2022 22:37, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 4/21/2022 22:01, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:13:23 +0100, Clive Arthur
clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

Isn\'t it God, Norwegian wod?

Sloman corrects everyone\'s spelling but his own.

I wish he\'d research the difference between  its  and  it\'s.


Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
\"Rubber Soul\"... :) May be he meant it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8

Yes, a song about sexual frustration provoking arson.
Click to expand...

Above all a very beautiful song.
 
On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 12:37:18 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:10:32 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/21/2022 4:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
David Brown has suggested that I don\';t know as much about Norway as I ought, but I am a full bottle on one aspect Norwegian industrial history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Richter_(inventor)

worked for the company Kamyr, which made and sold equipment for the paper industry. I met him when he and his wife visited Tasmania in the 1950s.

Around 1950 Kamyr sold a continuous digester to the Associated Pulp and Paper Mills at Burnie, Tasmania where my father was research manager .

It was the sixth one sold and the only one modified to run my father\'s patented two stage cook.

Instead of sticking fresh NaOH solution into the top of the digester with the raw wood chips, his scheme stuck it halfway down and took out the depleted solution with the digested wood chips at the bottom, but then piped it up to the top of the digester where it was still strong enough to start the process of digesting the raw wood chip. That let you get by with 16 tons of NaOH per hundred tons of wood chips, rather than 22 tons.

Obviously this was a crude approximation to counter-current cooking.

Mu father eventually worked out a scheme to run his digester fully counter current and it worked, and the company patented the idea. That got by with 12 tons of NaOH per hundred tons of wood chips, and cooked the chips even faster.

Johan Richter had spent ten years trying to get his counter-current scheme to work, and was impressed. Kamyr - as an organisation - wasn\'t and never paid any royalties, though they did sell their digesters set up to run counter-current.

Johan Richter\'s history of the company reflects the official line, but the copy he sent to my father had a rather more complimentary handwritten message on the title page.


IDK if it\'s this way everywhere but paper plants in the US tend to stink
like shit, I\'d rather hang out down wind of a sewage treatment facility
than a paper plant.


I have toured the sewers of Paris and the giant wastewater treatment
plant in se San Francisco. The sf tour was much more interesting and
smelled a lot better.

SF has one combined sewage and runoff system, but it doesn\'t rain a
lot here so that\'s not too unreasonable.
Click to expand...

The Paris sewer visit includes a cafe, which makes lunch interesting.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
 
On 4/21/2022 3:37 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:10:32 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/21/2022 4:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
David Brown has suggested that I don\';t know as much about Norway as I ought, but I am a full bottle on one aspect Norwegian industrial history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Richter_(inventor)

worked for the company Kamyr, which made and sold equipment for the paper industry. I met him when he and his wife visited Tasmania in the 1950s.

Around 1950 Kamyr sold a continuous digester to the Associated Pulp and Paper Mills at Burnie, Tasmania where my father was research manager .

It was the sixth one sold and the only one modified to run my father\'s patented two stage cook.

Instead of sticking fresh NaOH solution into the top of the digester with the raw wood chips, his scheme stuck it halfway down and took out the depleted solution with the digested wood chips at the bottom, but then piped it up to the top of the digester where it was still strong enough to start the process of digesting the raw wood chip. That let you get by with 16 tons of NaOH per hundred tons of wood chips, rather than 22 tons.

Obviously this was a crude approximation to counter-current cooking.

Mu father eventually worked out a scheme to run his digester fully counter current and it worked, and the company patented the idea. That got by with 12 tons of NaOH per hundred tons of wood chips, and cooked the chips even faster.

Johan Richter had spent ten years trying to get his counter-current scheme to work, and was impressed. Kamyr - as an organisation - wasn\'t and never paid any royalties, though they did sell their digesters set up to run counter-current.

Johan Richter\'s history of the company reflects the official line, but the copy he sent to my father had a rather more complimentary handwritten message on the title page.


IDK if it\'s this way everywhere but paper plants in the US tend to stink
like shit, I\'d rather hang out down wind of a sewage treatment facility
than a paper plant.


I have toured the sewers of Paris and the giant wastewater treatment
plant in se San Francisco. The sf tour was much more interesting and
smelled a lot better.

SF has one combined sewage and runoff system, but it doesn\'t rain a
lot here so that\'s not too unreasonable.
Click to expand...

I think sewage treatment plants have gotten a lot better about hydrogen
sulfide and other noxious fume releases, I can\'t think of a time I\'ve
driven past one where it smelled very foul. Maybe paper plants are
better now too, the one I\'m remembering is from maybe 20 years ago in
northern New Hampshire, a really large facility and boy did it stink
that day from several miles away.

When I was a kid there was a chocolate bar factory a few towns over from
the town I grew up in, it often smelled like hot cocoa on summer days
driving by with my late father. But imagine being a neighbor and
smelling the hot cocoa for hours, days, weeks at a time...probably gets
old fast
 
Dimiter Popoff wrote:
-----------------------------------
Isn\'t it God, Norwegian wod?

Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
\"Rubber Soul\"... :) May be he meant it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8
Click to expand...

** Brilliant song and recording.
Believed to be the first use of a Sitar or any Indian instrument on a pop song.

Kicked off the whole Indian classical sound in the late 60s - the Rolling Stones
( Paint it Black) and Eric Burdon ( Monterey) followed up with hit songs
using the same musical ideas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASviQQinEbk



...... Phil
 
On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 5:01:49 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:13:23 +0100, Clive Arthur
cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

Isn\'t it Good, Norwegian wood?
Sloman corrects everyone\'s spelling but his own.
Click to expand...

John Larkin is turning into Flyguy. He can\'t tell the difference between typos and spelling errors.

> I wish he\'d research the difference between its and it\'s.

I\'m well aware of the difference, but typos happen anyway. John Larkin is actually channeling James Arthur here.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 5:10:42 AM UTC+10, bitrex wrote:
On 4/21/2022 4:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
David Brown has suggested that I don\';t know as much about Norway as I ought, but I am a full bottle on one aspect Norwegian industrial history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Richter_(inventor)

worked for the company Kamyr, which made and sold equipment for the paper industry. I met him when he and his wife visited Tasmania in the 1950s.

Around 1950 Kamyr sold a continuous digester to the Associated Pulp and Paper Mills at Burnie, Tasmania where my father was research manager .

It was the sixth one sold and the only one modified to run my father\'s patented two stage cook.

Instead of sticking fresh NaOH solution into the top of the digester with the raw wood chips, his scheme stuck it halfway down and took out the depleted solution with the digested wood chips at the bottom, but then piped it up to the top of the digester where it was still strong enough to start the process of digesting the raw wood chip. That let you get by with 16 tons of NaOH per hundred tons of wood chips, rather than 22 tons.

Obviously this was a crude approximation to counter-current cooking.

Mu father eventually worked out a scheme to run his digester fully counter current and it worked, and the company patented the idea. That got by with 12 tons of NaOH per hundred tons of wood chips, and cooked the chips even faster.

Johan Richter had spent ten years trying to get his counter-current scheme to work, and was impressed. Kamyr - as an organisation - wasn\'t and never paid any royalties, though they did sell their digesters set up to run counter-current.

Johan Richter\'s history of the company reflects the official line, but the copy he sent to my father had a rather more complimentary handwritten message on the title page.

IDK if it\'s this way everywhere but paper plants in the US tend to stink like shit, I\'d rather hang out down wind of a sewage treatment facility than a paper plant.
Click to expand...

That\'s only paper plants that use the Kraft process, which use NaS as well as NaOH in the process of turning wood chips in to paper pulp.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraft_process

The stink is mercaptans rather skatole (which doesn\'t contain any sulphur at all).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skatole

The joke is that if you run the Kraft process in a counter-current continuous digester as described in my father\'s patent, the counter-current wash of the pulp as it comes out of the digester means that there isn\'t as much time for mercaptans to form, and there\'s a lot less stink.

The counter-current process was trialed in a Kraft process mill in New Zealand a few years after it had been patented, and my father was over there for the trials, and everybody noticed that the mill stank a whole lot less.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 4/21/2022 10:03 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
Dimiter Popoff wrote:
-----------------------------------

Isn\'t it God, Norwegian wod?

Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
\"Rubber Soul\"... :) May be he meant it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8

** Brilliant song and recording.
Believed to be the first use of a Sitar or any Indian instrument on a pop song.
Click to expand...

They were still experimenting with stereo too I think, panning the lead
vocals that far right for much of the song would be rare for a pop song
today, keeping the lead vocal front and center is where you usually find it.

Reminds me of what seems like an odd decision to pan Eddie Van Halen\'s
guitar hard left and the reverb to the right thru most of Van Halen 1:

<https://youtu.be/Y-IUB62zDlA>

Kicked off the whole Indian classical sound in the late 60s - the Rolling Stones
( Paint it Black) and Eric Burdon ( Monterey) followed up with hit songs
using the same musical ideas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASviQQinEbk
Click to expand...

The Mahavishnu Orchestra - \"Meeting Of The Spirits\":

<https://youtu.be/WhzDBGiOTvg>

Still a barn-burner 50 years later.

..... Phil
Click to expand...
 
On 4/21/2022 11:46 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/21/2022 10:03 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
  Dimiter Popoff wrote:
-----------------------------------

Isn\'t it God, Norwegian wod?
 
Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
\"Rubber Soul\"... :) May be he meant it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8

** Brilliant song and recording.
  Believed to be the first use of a Sitar or any Indian instrument on
a pop song.

They were still experimenting with stereo too I think, panning the lead
vocals that far right for much of the song would be rare for a pop song
today, keeping the lead vocal front and center is where you usually find
it.

Reminds me of what seems like an odd decision to pan Eddie Van Halen\'s
guitar hard left and the reverb to the right thru most of Van Halen 1:

https://youtu.be/Y-IUB62zDlA
Click to expand...

Maybe they wanted to make it sound like a live concert is my guess with
the panning choices on that album.
 
On 4/22/2022 5:03, Phil Allison wrote:
Dimiter Popoff wrote:
-----------------------------------

Isn\'t it God, Norwegian wod?

Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
\"Rubber Soul\"... :) May be he meant it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8

** Brilliant song and recording.
Believed to be the first use of a Sitar or any Indian instrument on a pop song.

Kicked off the whole Indian classical sound in the late 60s - the Rolling Stones
( Paint it Black) and Eric Burdon ( Monterey) followed up with hit songs
using the same musical ideas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASviQQinEbk



..... Phil
Click to expand...

Hah! Had never noticed that it is a sitar in \"Paint it Black\".
And to me the is \"the\" Rolling Stones song (I also like many
others but this one stands out).
 
On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:04:58 PM UTC+10, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
On 4/22/2022 5:03, Phil Allison wrote:
Dimiter Popoff wrote:
-----------------------------------

Isn\'t it Good, Norwegian wood?

Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
\"Rubber Soul\"... :) Maybe he meant it.
Click to expand...

Of course I did. It\'s a far-fetched joke. Kamyr was a branch of the Norwegian wood processing industry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8

** Brilliant song and recording.
Believed to be the first use of a Sitar or any Indian instrument on a pop song.

Kicked off the whole Indian classical sound in the late 60s - the Rolling Stones
( Paint it Black) and Eric Burdon ( Monterey) followed up with hit songs
using the same musical ideas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASviQQinEbk

Hah! Had never noticed that it is a sitar in \"Paint it Black\".
And to me the is \"the\" Rolling Stones song (I also like many
others but this one stands out).
Click to expand...

\"Norwegian Wood\" is Beatles - Lennon/McCartney, if mostly Lennon - from 1965.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Wood_(This_Bird_Has_Flown)

The Rolling Stones may have been almost as famous, bu they never struck me as being in the same league.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 9:22:38 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/21/2022 3:37 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:10:32 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 4/21/2022 4:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
David Brown has suggested that I don\';t know as much about Norway as I ought, but I am a full bottle on one aspect Norwegian industrial history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Richter_(inventor)

worked for the company Kamyr, which made and sold equipment for the paper industry. I met him when he and his wife visited Tasmania in the 1950s..

Around 1950 Kamyr sold a continuous digester to the Associated Pulp and Paper Mills at Burnie, Tasmania where my father was research manager .

It was the sixth one sold and the only one modified to run my father\'s patented two stage cook.

Instead of sticking fresh NaOH solution into the top of the digester with the raw wood chips, his scheme stuck it halfway down and took out the depleted solution with the digested wood chips at the bottom, but then piped it up to the top of the digester where it was still strong enough to start the process of digesting the raw wood chip. That let you get by with 16 tons of NaOH per hundred tons of wood chips, rather than 22 tons.

Obviously this was a crude approximation to counter-current cooking.

Mu father eventually worked out a scheme to run his digester fully counter current and it worked, and the company patented the idea. That got by with 12 tons of NaOH per hundred tons of wood chips, and cooked the chips even faster.

Johan Richter had spent ten years trying to get his counter-current scheme to work, and was impressed. Kamyr - as an organisation - wasn\'t and never paid any royalties, though they did sell their digesters set up to run counter-current.

Johan Richter\'s history of the company reflects the official line, but the copy he sent to my father had a rather more complimentary handwritten message on the title page.


IDK if it\'s this way everywhere but paper plants in the US tend to stink
like shit, I\'d rather hang out down wind of a sewage treatment facility
than a paper plant.


I have toured the sewers of Paris and the giant wastewater treatment
plant in se San Francisco. The sf tour was much more interesting and
smelled a lot better.

SF has one combined sewage and runoff system, but it doesn\'t rain a
lot here so that\'s not too unreasonable.

I think sewage treatment plants have gotten a lot better about hydrogen
sulfide and other noxious fume releases, I can\'t think of a time I\'ve
driven past one where it smelled very foul. Maybe paper plants are
better now too, the one I\'m remembering is from maybe 20 years ago in
northern New Hampshire, a really large facility and boy did it stink
that day from several miles away.

When I was a kid there was a chocolate bar factory a few towns over from
the town I grew up in, it often smelled like hot cocoa on summer days
driving by with my late father. But imagine being a neighbor and
smelling the hot cocoa for hours, days, weeks at a time...probably gets
old fast
Click to expand...

I think it is Seattle that has a pulp mill near the airport. You walk out of the building and WHAM! Welcome to Seattle!

I\'ll take hot cocoa any day!

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On 4/22/2022 18:16, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:04:58 PM UTC+10, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
On 4/22/2022 5:03, Phil Allison wrote:
Dimiter Popoff wrote:
-----------------------------------

Isn\'t it Good, Norwegian wood?

Forget the typo, what I though of was the song from
\"Rubber Soul\"... :) Maybe he meant it.

Of course I did. It\'s a far-fetched joke. Kamyr was a branch of the Norwegian wood processing industry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V6y1ZCg_8

** Brilliant song and recording.
Believed to be the first use of a Sitar or any Indian instrument on a pop song.

Kicked off the whole Indian classical sound in the late 60s - the Rolling Stones
( Paint it Black) and Eric Burdon ( Monterey) followed up with hit songs
using the same musical ideas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASviQQinEbk

Hah! Had never noticed that it is a sitar in \"Paint it Black\".
And to me the is \"the\" Rolling Stones song (I also like many
others but this one stands out).

\"Norwegian Wood\" is Beatles - Lennon/McCartney, if mostly Lennon - from 1965.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Wood_(This_Bird_Has_Flown)

The Rolling Stones may have been almost as famous, bu they never struck me as being in the same league.
Click to expand...

Well nobody is in the league of the Beatles of course, nobody
can even come close.
But many - myself included - would argue that the Stones are
pretty much in a league of their own, plenty of great, memorable
songs they did in the 60-s.
 
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