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Jeff Miller
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Hi, when I was in high school, electric shop teacher had a Jacob's
ladder made from a 15KV neon sign transformer. I've made some since, but
his had a special feature I never figured out the secret to. It was
strictly a one-shot device. Between the normal pair of electrodes, there
was a short "starter" electrode. When you pressed the power button, the
breakdown would start between the short electrode and the main
electrodes: I forget if it had a preference for one vs. the other. I
also forget how reliable it was, if you were guaranteed a start each
time. But I do remember it never restarted after the first spark had
extinguished itself, regerdless of the fact that the xformer was still
under power.
Inside the wooden box was one, or perhaps 2 high voltage caps about half
the size of a bar of soap: perhaps old mica transmitting caps. I don't
remeber what their values or even their voltage ratings were, or how
they were wired in. I failed to make a schematic and when I asked about
it the teacher was evasive. The only thing I can figure is that it
somehow took advantage of transients generated if and when it was
started some distance from a zero crossing: and that it would never fire
if controlled by a solid state relay with auto zero cross detection, for
example.
It's a nice feature if only because Jacob's ladders have a strong
tendency to overheat if they run continuosly. The electrodes get very
hot too.
Has anyone seen a schematic of this trick? With two caps, three input
terminals (arguably, if you conisder secondary midpoint ground) and
three discharge terminals there are only so many combinations to try
exhaustively, I suppose... but not knowing the values or the exact
spacing between the electrodes adds too many variables.
-Jeff
ladder made from a 15KV neon sign transformer. I've made some since, but
his had a special feature I never figured out the secret to. It was
strictly a one-shot device. Between the normal pair of electrodes, there
was a short "starter" electrode. When you pressed the power button, the
breakdown would start between the short electrode and the main
electrodes: I forget if it had a preference for one vs. the other. I
also forget how reliable it was, if you were guaranteed a start each
time. But I do remember it never restarted after the first spark had
extinguished itself, regerdless of the fact that the xformer was still
under power.
Inside the wooden box was one, or perhaps 2 high voltage caps about half
the size of a bar of soap: perhaps old mica transmitting caps. I don't
remeber what their values or even their voltage ratings were, or how
they were wired in. I failed to make a schematic and when I asked about
it the teacher was evasive. The only thing I can figure is that it
somehow took advantage of transients generated if and when it was
started some distance from a zero crossing: and that it would never fire
if controlled by a solid state relay with auto zero cross detection, for
example.
It's a nice feature if only because Jacob's ladders have a strong
tendency to overheat if they run continuosly. The electrodes get very
hot too.
Has anyone seen a schematic of this trick? With two caps, three input
terminals (arguably, if you conisder secondary midpoint ground) and
three discharge terminals there are only so many combinations to try
exhaustively, I suppose... but not knowing the values or the exact
spacing between the electrodes adds too many variables.
-Jeff